Who's made their decisions on the election?

2ds said:
Results not typical said:
2ds said:
That's hilarious, after Howard gutted the party.... Libs are exactly in this position, Howard removed anyone who dissented with him and left behind a sick party unable to think for its self without their glorious leader.
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Any facts to back that up of is it simply your opinion?
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The way the party fell apart after his 2007 defeat?

Part of being a leader/CEO is proper succession planning, to be able to do this you need peers, not underlings, you need people able to step up into positions, people who can think.

Howard systematically squashed any dissension in the party during his 4 terms (citation needed ;P)

This left only Costello to pick up the reigns, when Howard stepped down, but Howard got greedy and refused to hand over power as he was supposed to.

Only after losing the election did Howard try to hand over power, Costello quite rightly refused the poisoned chalice he was offered and quit.

The party was in turmoil unable to properly execute because a power vacuum was left behind, anyone who would have been able to step up was no longer there.

You can't honestly tell me you think Abbott has good political sense.

As much as I didn't like Howard he was a shrewd if uncharismatic politician. Compared to The current bumbling of Rudd and Abbott he was amazing.

Kevin tried to do the same thing in the labor party and that is why they outed him, their only mistake was not squashing him properly when they had the chance, against their own better judgement they took him back several months ago because they thought they might win, this is the same greed that lost Howard the election in 2007, doesn't look like it is serving them very well now does it....

*shrugs* feel free to disagree with me but if you try to tell me the Liberals are executing policy + politics right now as well as they were when Howard was at the helm I will not be able to stop laughing at you.
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I've had many people tell me recently that compared to the current mess, they miss the good old days under Howard.
 
Byron said:
I've had many people tell me recently that compared to the current mess, they miss the good old days under Howard.
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I disliked Howard for many reasons, and I believe he was directly responsible for many of our current problems but at least the election process didn't feel like the Special Olympics.
 
2ds said:
Byron said:
I've had many people tell me recently that compared to the current mess, they miss the good old days under Howard.
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I disliked Howard for many reasons, and I believe he was directly responsible for many of our current problems but at least the election process didn't feel like the Special Olympics.
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What didn't you like about Howard?

Personally i was against workchoices and draconian gun control. But he was still better than the other mob.
 
2ds said:
Results not typical said:
2ds said:
That's hilarious, after Howard gutted the party.... Libs are exactly in this position, Howard removed anyone who dissented with him and left behind a sick party unable to think for its self without their glorious leader.
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Any facts to back that up of is it simply your opinion?
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The way the party fell apart after his 2007 defeat?

Part of being a leader/CEO is proper succession planning, to be able to do this you need peers, not underlings, you need people able to step up into positions, people who can think.

Howard systematically squashed any dissension in the party during his 4 terms (citation needed ;P)

This left only Costello to pick up the reigns, when Howard stepped down, but Howard got greedy and refused to hand over power as he was supposed to.

Only after losing the election did Howard try to hand over power, Costello quite rightly refused the poisoned chalice he was offered and quit.

The party was in turmoil unable to properly execute because a power vacuum was left behind, anyone who would have been able to step up was no longer there.

You can't honestly tell me you think Abbott has good political sense.

As much as I didn't like Howard he was a shrewd if uncharismatic politician. Compared to The current bumbling of Rudd and Abbott he was amazing.

Kevin tried to do the same thing in the labor party and that is why they outed him, their only mistake was not squashing him properly when they had the chance, against their own better judgement they took him back several months ago because they thought they might win, this is the same greed that lost Howard the election in 2007, doesn't look like it is serving them very well now does it....

*shrugs* feel free to disagree with me but if you try to tell me the Liberals are executing policy + politics right now as well as they were when Howard was at the helm I will not be able to stop laughing at you.
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I don't completely disagree with you and thank you for making those points, they are well made and there is a lot of truth in them but I contend that the Liberal Party are still currently a mature, stable party compared to Labor.

How can you compare Howard or even those that followed him to a party that threw their own sitting Prime Minister out of office because he was an unpopular, unbearable and egotistical failure, replaced him with a PM who took Labor down to the depths of internal fighting and despair and to a point where it was seriously being considered that Labor could not win enough seats to form an opposition, Who then in desperation brought back the first failure to try and save something and in the process had around a third of their cabinet decide to quit politics altogether, that being preferential to working under the Labor PM? Some of the remaining ministers are on public record describing their PM as a psychopath and an egomaniac among other things? How much talent did the Labor Party just lose? Simon Crean blew himself up trying to convince failure A to re-unseat failure B. A lot more talent has disappeared from the Labor Party in the last 3 months than from the Liberal party under Howard. If you contend that Howard gutted his party, what dud Rudd and Gillard just do?
 
Like or dislike Tony Abbott he is definitely the most formidable opposition leader in living memory. By next week he will have seen the fall from grace to disgrace of Kevin Rudd twice and of course Julia Gillard. And he did it while being relatively publicly unpopular. He also held his opposition team together tightly throughout.


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Results not typical said:
I don't completely disagree with you and thank you for making those points, they are well made and there is a lot of truth in them but I contend that the Liberal Party are still currently a mature, stable party compared to Labor.

How can you compare Howard or even those that followed him to a party that threw their own sitting Prime Minister out of office because he was an unpopular, unbearable and egotistical failure, replaced him with a PM who took Labor down to the depths of internal fighting and despair and to a point where it was seriously being considered that Labor could not win enough seats to form an opposition, Who then in desperation brought back the first failure to try and save something and in the process had around a third of their cabinet decide to quit politics altogether, that being preferential to working under the Labor PM? Some of the remaining ministers are on public record describing their PM as a psychopath and an egomaniac among other things? How much talent did the Labor Party just lose? Simon Crean blew himself up trying to convince failure A to re-unseat failure B. A lot more talent has disappeared from the Labor Party in the last 3 months than from the Liberal party under Howard. If you contend that Howard gutted his party, what dud Rudd and Gillard just do?
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I get that that what actually happened was different but I see the same patterns, greed and a power vacuum.

Byron:

His policies were directly responsible for the housing bubble, not that I'm convinced labour would have been any better.
 
All I can say about the current state of Australian politics is this;

Bob Santamaria would be turning in his grave.
 
Actually I'm going to vote but I won't bother with the house vote, I'll just vote the 1 to 1000 in the senate. Got to make sure Freddy Nile is last. :)
 
2ds said:
Byron said:
I've had many people tell me recently that compared to the current mess, they miss the good old days under Howard.
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I disliked Howard for many reasons, and I believe he was directly responsible for many of our current problems but at least the election process didn't feel like the Special Olympics.
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Priceless. :D
 
Clawhammer said:
Did anyone notice Rudd & Abbott wearing blue ties.

yeah, turtle you Julia you turtling turtle.
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Tony;s on 7:30 report... wearing another blue tie :)
 
Clawhammer said:
Clawhammer said:
Did anyone notice Rudd & Abbott wearing blue ties.

yeah, turtle you Julia you turtling turtle.
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Tony;s on 7:30 report... wearing another blue tie :)
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At least she has the good grace to step completely out of politics after her leadership defeat, unlike that little scum from that Brisbane electorate.
 
Clawhammer said:
^^^
Leigh Sailes? :P

She's about to get her marching orders too. :cool:
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Can you believe her last question to Tony?

"Will you remove the morning after abortion pill from the PBS list?"

Seriously how low can a journalist go?
 
Byron said:
Clawhammer said:
^^^
Leigh Sailes? :P

She's about to get her marching orders too. :cool:
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Can you believe her last question to Tony?

"Will you remove the morning after abortion pill from the PBS list?"

Seriously how low can a journalist go?
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Seems legit given Abbott's previous hardline anti-abortion attitude.
 
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2ds said:
Byron said:
Clawhammer said:
^^^
Leigh Sailes? :P

She's about to get her marching orders too. :cool:
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Can you believe her last question to Tony?

"Will you remove the morning after abortion pill from the PBS list?"

Seriously how low can a journalist go?
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Seems legit given Abbott's previous hardline anti-abortion attitude.
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I see it more as resurrecting a Julia Gillard "misogynist, anti pro choice" scare mongering dig at Tony.
 
veryugly said:
I'm going to vote for The Wikileaks Party! :D
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Me too, but that's only in the Senate. Which means you can still vote for a change of government in the lower house.

It is almost like the election in the senate is a referendum on the safe return of Assange.
 
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