Who's made their decisions on the election?

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Could you develop this last point further? haven't been following this Assange thing?
 
veryugly said:
I'm going to vote for The Wikileaks Party! :D
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Same :) but that's mainly because I want to see:
An Australian senator hiding in an Ecuadorian embassy in the UK because he is afraid if he leaves he will be extradited to Sweden, to answer Sexual Assault charges, who will then promptly hand him over to the US so they can 'interrogate' him about a series of diplomatic cables that an organisation that he fronts released causing a series of diplomatic incidents resulting in his own country refusing to state that they wouldn't do the same a Sweden and hand him over to the US.

Seriously! Most movies have less convoluted plots. :D
 
"I'm going to vote for The Wikileaks Party! big_smile
Same smile but that's mainly because I want to see:"

Amazing, and to think millions around the world have died to gain and keep the right to vote.

What a waste!
 
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fiatphoney said:
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All he needs is a cap
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Who's the simpleton? Taken out of context, you know full well what he means.
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No need to get 'strop'py mate.

Liberal party I think has a good team but not so good leader. (But no way Turnbull as who wants an ex banker)
Rudd I think is a capable leader but surrounded by dopes. No wonder he is forced to be a bit autocratic at times. Sorry that Lindsay Tanner went.

But last night on Q&A Rudd was outright wrong on gay marriage from a Christian perspective, and would have been better to take the libertarian route if he wanted to pursue the issue further whilst espousing Christianity ie rights of 'couples' when breakup occurs for equity/civil unions etc. His slave argument is just beyond credible - the advancement of Christianity over world wide established slave practices prevailed in time, in the meantime there was a freedom jubilee year in the OldT. A slave trader once repented and he wrote Amazing Grace, Lincoln and countless others to much later on Martin Luther King was a Baptist preacher etc.

Stupidly Rudd is preaching a politicised Christianity to be accepted by the masses. Remember that there are examples of slaves (an asset) treated better than fellow citizens during hard times - the risk of slave owner being poisoned tended to modify bad behaviour in household situations as well. For those who have read heathen Homer - being tied up and left to die having your entire genitals/groin area cut out/off was spoken of as a retribution of the day. If the OldT taught that a righteous man considers the life of his beast(ie oxen), how much moreso human servants in very different and difficult times, with freedom in the Jubilee.
Yes there were barbaric practices against slaves especially those death camps working for the conquering nations, but household slaves/servants in better homes became part of the family in many cases, choosing to become a voluntary lifelong servant over freedom (without the unemployment benefits) was common place. But yeah slavery in govt camps/mines was a one way ticket to death. Overall treatment of women slaves obviously not good as well. But Christianity taught good treatment for all slaves, and for those who would be a part of the resurrection, it would especially be to the Christian slave owner's shame if they were ill treated.

The libertarian route from a Christian perspective is we live in a society where God gave us all a freewill, and sometimes we need to agree to disagree. Rather than have a 'collective' politically correct state belief taught from childcare, and drummed by media, we agree to disagree. Laws based around equity for all that maximises personal liberty, but not at the expense of personal accountability towards others, with appropriate punishment. If people choose to live as in Sodom so be it, just don't force others to live there. And if there is a God(and there is), He is quite capable of bringing judgement upon the place. If I choose not to live that way, don't throw your condoms filled with whatever at me. And don't expect me to call your gay civil union, marriage in the Christian sense. We can agree to disagree, yet fairness and liberty can still apply to both our lives. Why should you need my or my church's approval anyway? I don't need yours for the choices I make. Or is your God given conscience causing you anxiety on the path to repent? Politically correct 'acceptance' will not heal spiritual injuries.

So Rudd has just done a very stupid thing. I really can't see him doing any better than Julia now.

http://www.reformedreader.org/rbb/newton/amazingrace.htm

A final note: God calls Christians to slavery - a voluntary bondservant to God's will. Utter and total submission motivated not by fear but love. Only Jesus ever achieved this perfectly, and is glorified.
John 12 :26 - If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Submission - the most hated word in the English language.
Matthew5:5 - Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
 
Rudd is going for preferences with his bullshit progressive stance
 
Clawhammer said:
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Could you develop this last point further? haven't been following this Assange thing?
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Assange is running for the Senate in a bid to attain diplomatic protection from rendition to a US gulag somewhere.

If one wants to thwart the US attempts to render Assange then it is as simple as a vote for him in the election. Not voting for him is condemning him to a fate in which the US will prosecute him in a Star Chamber and administer their punishment.

The way I see it is he has put his faith in the Australian people to realise they are voting to protect or condemn him.

Clearly he is very brave, for his faith in his fellow Australians offering him "a fair go" may well be unfounded, as seen from some of the obtuse comments here.
 
Old Codger said:
I hope the bastard loses his seat.
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Could be on OC, the opposition have been running a very visible campaign with Bill Glasson in Griffith, Dudds electorate.
 
fiatphoney said:
No need to get 'strop'py mate.

Liberal party I think has a good team but not so good leader. (But no way Turnbull as who wants an ex banker)
Rudd I think is a capable leader but surrounded by dopes. No wonder he is forced to be a bit autocratic at times. Sorry that Lindsay Tanner went.

But last night on Q&A Rudd was outright wrong on gay marriage from a Christian perspective... blah blah blah blah
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I think his point was taking the bible literally is silly. If you think gay people want to be gay you clearly don't know many, it's just who they are.
 
A friend reckons Abbotts already won it in the polls...A landslide he said.....Can anyone confirm this?
 
Too early to know I reckon. There shouldn't be enough pre-polls to make such a claim.
 
TheEnd said:
Who's made their decisions on the election?
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I made up my mind many years ago, I'll be voting the same way I did at the previous Fed election, ie:


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"I made up my mind many years ago, I'll be voting the same way I did at the previous Fed election, ie:"



Well I have spent two weeks trying to work it out with all the who did whats and why this and why that..... Even though libs will have some new taxes I still think we will be better off with lower electricity prices and no carbon tax..... These two things just HAVE to make it easier for business's to operate and lessen the strain of running costs. Just imagine running a pub or restaurant where you have lots of lighting and kitchens etc.... Or running a big factory with lots of overhead lighting and machines..... Power bills would be outrageous..
 
TheEnd said:
These two things just HAVE to make it easier for business's to operate and lesson the strain of running costs. Just imagine running a pub or restaurant where you have lots of lighting and kitchens.
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Poor examples.... these are the types of businesses that neither party supports. Big business - libs, unions - labs, both of those groups dislike small business. It's competition to big business and you can't get union fees from a business with 10 employees.
 
@ TheEnd, if it helps, it won't make any difference who wins the election, the cake may look different but it will still taste the same regardless of which election victory party you attend. Both major parties are Socialist, both major parties will attempt to tax and spend their way out of trouble, both major parties are incapable of salvaging our current economic and political crisis.

Don't worry about it mate, just do an informal vote and in the meantime work harder at protecting your family's wealth and your children's legacy. That's the best you can do - and remember, there is not a politician alive who cares to share your goal and work toward your personal interest. View your family as a business, build a rock solid union with your wife and plan to leave your children in a stronger financial position than your own parents left you.

And fuck the government too. :lol:
 
I will have a bottle of Mot on ice, just incase Rudd loses his seat. I will regret not be prepared otherwise
 
News Ltd on the differences. Interesting comparisons.

http://www.news.com.au/national-new...hey-mean-for-you/story-fnho52qo-1226709750378
If you have school-aged children

Under Labor you would receive the Schoolkids Bonus of $410 a year for each child in primary school and $820 a year for each child in secondary school. But your family would only be eligible for these payments if you receive benefits such as Family Tax Benefit Part A.

Labor would also introduce 137 new trade training centres to 225 schools across Australia.

Labor would also spend $8 million on programs to tackle homophobic bullying in schools.

The Coalition would axe the Schoolkids Bonus. But it would match Labor school funding dollar-for-dollar over the next four years.

If you have children in after school care

Labor would give $450 million in extra funding to up to 500 schools, so they can introduce or expand on after school care services.

If you're a TAFE student

Labor would seek an agreement from the states and territories guaranteeing no further TAFE cuts. If the states refused to guarantee funding for TAFE, the Commonwealth would fund TAFEs directly.

If you want to go to university

And you are from a disadvantaged background, Labor would give $50 million in funding to 17 higher education institutions to boost participation.

If you're an apprentice

Labor would boost the completion payment under the Tools For Your Trade initiative from $1500 to $2000. But Labor has already scrapped $3000 full-time and $1500 part-time incentives for employers of workers who undertake a 'nonpriority' qualification. The incentives remain in place if the qualifications lead to occupations on the National Skills Needs List or in the aged, child or disability care sectors, or if they are enrolled nurses.

The Coalition would maintain the scrapping of these incentives. The Coalition would also provide apprentices with a Trade Support Loan of up to $20,000 over four years during your apprenticeship. It will be repayable at the same income threshold for university students who receive FEE-HELP loans (currently $51,309).

If you're a low income earner

And you earn less than $19,400, from 2015-16 you would not need to file a tax return because Labor intends to increase the tax free threshold.

The Coalition would abolish the low income super contribution, which pays people who earn $37,000 or less per year up to $500 each financial year to help save for their retirement.

If you're unemployed

Labor would spend $35 million over three years to provide about 8900 disadvantaged jobseekers with simulated work experience and training in employability skills such as language, literacy and numeracy.

The Coalition would give people who have been unemployed for 12 months or more and are on Newstart or Youth Allowance a $2500 Job Commitment Bonus if they get a job and remain off welfare for one year. People would receive a further $4000 if they remain off welfare for two years.

The Coaltion will also provide up to $6000 for long-term unemployed job seekers if they moved to a regional area for a job, or $3000 if they moved to a metropolitan area.

If you work in the public service

Labor would increase the public service efficiency dividend from 1.25 to 2.25 per cent for three years, a move unions say could cost more than 5000 jobs. The dividend is an annual funding reduction for Commonwealth government agencies, designed to reduce operating costs and lift efficiency.

The Coalition would reduce jobs by 12,000. It says the jobs would be lost through natural attrition.

If you're applying for a 457 visa

From next month fees will rise to more than $1000. The cost for a family of four applying to the scheme will go from $450 to $5050.

Both Labor and the Coalition would do this.

If you're a small-business owner

Labor says it would cut the red tape by administering paid parental leave through Centrelink for businesses with fewer than 20 employees.

Labor would give an upfront tax deduction for small businesses when they buy equipment and assets worth up to $10,000.

Labor would also reduce GST reporting requirements from four times a year to just once a year for businesses with turnover of less than $20 million a year.

Labor would also extend the free small business superannuation clearing house to businesses with less than 100 employees from July 1, 2014.

The Coalition would spend $6 million to create a Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman. It would also spend $3 million to improve access for small businesses to Commonwealth contracts. It would also spend $1 billion to cut red tape including changing superannuation payment methods.

The Coalition would also spend $1 million to extend unfair contract protections so they cover small businesses as well as consumers.

But the Coalition would axe a $6500 instant asset write off for small businesses with turnover less than $2 million.

It would also axe a tax-loss carry-forward scheme, which allows businesses to claim losses of up to $1 million against tax they have paid in the previous two years.

If you work in manufacturing

Labor would invest $35.6 million to assist about 6800 new and existing manufacturing workers in upskilling for hi-tech manufacturing.

The Coalition would introduce a $50 million manufacturing transition grant program over two years. Grants would be available to communities, business and stakeholders to help them transition to competitive industries.

It would also restore funding to Export Market Development Grants starting with an initial $50 million boost.

If you work in health or community services

Labor would spend $30.6 million to support more than 5800 workers to be upskilled in sectors such as disability services, aged care and childhood education.

If you work in the car industry

Labor would give a $500 million boost to the car industry funding to the end of the decade and $300 million a year beyond 2020. If you work for Toyota, Labor would contribute $23.6 million towards Toyota's $123 million investment in its local manufacturing operations. The government would also pay $1 million this financial year and $1.4 million per year from 2014 to 2017 in assistance to Ford Australia workers.

The Coalition would cut $500 million from the Automotive Transformation Scheme, and would launch a Productivity Commission review into public funding for the Australian car industry.

If you're working and studying

Labor would defer and review the introduction of a $2000 cap on tax deductions for self-education expenses.

The Coalition has called on Labor to scrap the cap completely, but has not committed to doing the same thing.

If you work for defence

Labor would introduce measures so all families of Australian Defence Force personnel would be able to receive reimbursement for gap expenses when visiting a general practitioner.

The Coalition would also reimburse ADF families for out of pocket GP expenses. The Coalition would return defence spending to 2 per cent of GDP from the current level of 1.59 per cent within a decade.

If you don't like the carbon tax

Labor would terminate a fixed carbon price from next July. Families would save an average of $380 in the first year, plus the household assistance package linked to the carbon tax would remain in place. Labor would instead introduce an emissions trading scheme with a floating carbon price of about $6 a tonne.

The Coalition would axe the carbon tax. It would instead establish an Emissions Reduction Fund of $3 billion to allocate money in response to emission reduction tenders to projects designed to reduce carbon emissions.

If you're in a same sex relationship

And want to get married, Labor would introduce a Bill into the Parliament to legalise same-sex marriage within 100 days of being re-elected.

If you use the internet

Labor would roll out the National Broadband Network which aims for speeds of 1000 megabits per second by 2021.

The Coalition broadband would aim for at least 25-100 Mbps by 2016 and 50-100 Mbps by 2019.

If you're planning on having a baby

You are eligible to receive Labor's current paid parental leave. This is 18 weeks' pay at the rate of the national minimum wage.

The Coalition would give mothers who give birth after July 2015 six months' leave on full pay, capped at $75,000.

If you are a victim of terrorism

The Coalition would provide assistance to Australians and their families who have been victims of terrorism overseas since September 10, 2001, up to a maximum of $75,000. Currently this assistance would be available for future victims but is not available for existing victims.

If you are an Indigenous Australian

Labor promises a large number of measures under its Closing the Gap policy, including

$777 million over three years to continue the National Partnership Agreement for health and

$1.5 billion to provide jobseekers in remote communities with local support.

The Coalition would spend $10 million to fund four trial sites for jobs training for Indigenous Australians.

It would also provide up to $45 million to support the GenerationOne employment model, creating job opportunities for up to 5000 indigenous Australians. The Coalition would also establish a Prime Minister's Indigenous Advisory Council.

If you plan on buying a car

Labor would axe the fringe benefits tax break employees receive for buying cars though salary sacrifice.

The Coalition would abandon these planned changes.

If you have a disability

Labor would invest more than $14 billion for disability services over seven years for DisabilityCare.

The Coalition has also committed to implementing the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

If you require aged care

Labor would invest $3.7 billion in aged care reform over five years, including more than 40,000 extra home care packages.

If you're a victim of assault

that is sexual assault or domestic violence related, Labor would spend $31.2 million to support victims.

If you have health issues

Labor would spend $50 million to improve care for stroke sufferers, $10.5 million on emergency asthma training, $3.2 million funding for Arthritis Australia, $21 million for family mental health services and $30 million for STI and blood borne virus prevention.

The Coalition would increase mental health spending by $430 million, spend $35 million to help find a cure for type 1 diabetes and provide a further $200 million over five years for dementia research.

If you have private health insurance

The Coalition would "fully restore" the private health insurance rebate. The 30 per cent rebate is currently means-tested for individuals earning more than $83,000 and families earning more than $166,000. Singles earning more than $129,000 and families earning over $258,000 receive no rebate.

The Coalition would also scrap the means test but has not said when they would do this.

If you're a senior

The Coalition would index eligibility for the Commonwealth Seniors Health Card. This would allow more self-funded retirees to access the Commonwealth Seniors Health Card and medicines listed on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme at the concessional rate.

If you run a company

The Coalition would cut the company tax rate by 1.5 per cent from 1 July 2015. But if you run one of the 3200 biggest companies in Australia, the Coalition would impose a 1.5 per cent levy to pay for part of its Paid Parental Leave Scheme.

If you're a smoker

Labor would increase the smoking tax so a pack of 20 cigarettes would cost you an extra $5.25 by the end of 2016.

The Coalition would increase the smoking tax by the same amount.

If you pay super

The Coalition will delay increases to the super guarantee. This means it will be frozen at its current rate of 9.25 per cent until July 1, 2016 when it will increase to 9.5 per cent.
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If you're a worker, you will be taxed more on everything, to pay for government spending.
 
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