Phoney Pandas

SilverNGoldGuy said:
yennus said:
silverfever said:
The BSOD on the 2000 panda's nose is also a giveaway.

Yeah, does look like a BSOD from this angle :)

It does look shiny (missing 'frosting'), but I think that they are still referrenced as 'black spots' right?

yennus said:

I didn't know that, I thought BSOD referred to a lack of silver/thinness in the plating process.
I have never seen/held one in my hand, only pictures.
So plating causes defect in the frosting to be shiny?
 
Catseye said:
I didn't know that, I thought BSOD referred to a lack of silver/thinness in the plating process.
I have never seen/held one in my hand, only pictures.
So plating causes defect in the frosting to be shiny?

Plating sometimes leaves "Black Spots of Death".
 
SilverNGoldGuy said:
When you are weiging coins to check for authenticity, how close to 31.1g is an acceptable weight? E.g. Is 30.8g or 32g within the range of the coin being real?

1) how good (accurate) is your scale?
2) assuming your scale is good, 30.8g is a tad light. I have never seen 1 troy oz silver coin come close to 32g (31.4 is the most I have seen) - and I'm excluding all the silver bullions/rounds, taking account only the canadian/australian/chinese coins. IMHO
 
jc888888888 said:
they all look authentic , slight rubs on all three on the heads of the bears will effect the value if in fact they are on the coins, 1991 has rim defect or appears that way,value??, i will leave that to someone else as i am not that sharp on proof bears, Grizzlies is the resident expert:) if i was going to GUESS grades minimum 68,s with decent possibilities of 1 maybe 69 the 1991 is a little troublesome but all the marks might be on the holder

Problem with keeping valuable coins in those flips is that contact mark(s) easily pass through the plastic/mylar. Besides what jc pointed out, those marks on the 91's arm and leg can be troublesome (if they are on the coin). I sent in a 91p which looked nicer, but came back only pf68. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but just giving you how I see it. The 89 and 94 look fine.
 
worldbubble said:
So, any thoughts on 1984 pandas?
Don't know if I should bid on them or just let it go to others if I'm not sure they are genuine.

It's better to spend slightly more to buy a certified (PCGS/NGC) coin than getting screwed trying to buy a raw cheaply. It's hard to look at those photos to judge their authenticity. If someone is willing to sell those for a few hundred bucks, there's a good chance they are fakes.
 
m0xty said:
shibaji said:
m0xty said:
How do you contact buyers since they're only appeared as e.g. a***1 ?

It takes some time - till the buyer leaves a feedback to the seller - then you can go to seller rating, and find buyer id. That is what I do.

oooh I see...But usually the buyer already have paid and received the items...

Buyer(s) have up to 45 days after the purchase (I believe) to file a claim with eBay/Paypal.
 
Another 2000 mirror fake? 281012380635
I am 99.9% sure this is another Fake , it is a bad blurry picture but the to me the luster, top of the temple and date look wrong, and I believe the real 2000 mirrored have 4 pillars in the bottom row on each side of the stairs on the temple side , this looks to only have 3. I contacted the seller and for now I do NOT think this seller knows or believes this is a fake . Am I wrong on this???
 
silverstar1 said:
Another 2000 mirror fake? 281012380635
I am 99.9% sure this is another Fake , it is a bad blurry picture but the to me the luster, top of the temple and date look wrong, and I believe the real 2000 mirrored have 4 pillars in the bottom row on each side of the stairs on the temple side , this looks to only have 3. I contacted the seller and for now I do NOT think this seller knows or believes this is a fake . Am I wrong on this???

auction was taken down ...............
 
Yep this seller took my advice looked into it and concluded the same thing , I truly believe he really did not know , then he was worried about his other coins but I gave my opinion that they look legit, this was the only high value one anyway. It is always nice when people do the right thing , too bad there are so many of these 2000 mirror fakes ! I would guess high quality fake slabs on these will be next , I hope I am wrong!
 
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