President Paul

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    I'm not sure I want true price discovery for gold. I prefer fear,
    uncertainty, ignorance and lemming-like behavior, you know, like the
    last ten years.
     
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    ^ Then you dont know what real "price" of gold is.
     
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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNBtxdl_1UQ[/youtube]
     
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    ^ That last video was a good one.

    He actually can't win the nomination, though ....

    .... can he?

    Surely the MSM and TPB will not allow it?
     
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    He has a decent chance to win Iowa. I think perhaps a second place finish in NH. Independents (folks who are not registered Republicans) can vote for him in both states. Most polls focus only on registered Republicans, so the media hasn't really been reporting on Ron's true strength in those early contests. Should Ron exceed expectations like that, I expect a lot of the poorly funded candidates will drop out. Ron has a much better chance of going the distance in this race than the media would have you believe.
     
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    New Ron Paul ad. I like it :)

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY[/youtube]
     
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    I think we'll get a feel for how he's going to go early on (disclaimer: guess only, I could easily be wrong, I don't know much about this process).

    I don't believe in the political process, but whatever he may or may not achieve if he gets in, it would be good to have someone who at least may have a chance of curbing the worst of the govt for the coming crisis. As well, it would be very interesting to see how politicians in Oz react as they often take their lead from, and look up to, the US Prez.

    Regardless if he wins or not it sounds like he has big plans for the future.
     
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    It'll be Paul vs Obama and the American people will choose Obama and then it'll be ON like Donkey Kong! By then I hope to have dug a big hole and dragged a big rock over the top of it :p
     
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    Don't see how Obama can win with a 9% approval rating. Would need something big to happen so he can rally support.
     
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    Depends who is voting him in... the american people?? OR the financial industry! Money will say vote for Obama and the slaves to money will obey what their masters will.
     
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    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/disenchantment-idiocy-surges-ron-paul-support-soars

     
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    Wow. Didn't think I'd see Ron Paul get into contention. He'd be a lot harder for the media to ignore now?
     
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    Recent polling in Iowa shows him 1 point back from the lead with Gingrich losing momentum and Ron surging. He can definitely win Iowa (the first state to vote in the process).

    Recent polling in New Hampshire shows Paul surging and Gingrich losing momentum. Paul is 8 points from the lead and closing. He can finish top 3 with a potential to win (NH is the second state to vote in the process).

    Paul broke 20% in both states. Very good news.
     
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    Reasons Why Dr. Ron Paul Should Not Be President

    If it is the case that elected officials reflect the desires of the voters then we are in a world of hurt. Andy Cobb and the Partisans recently appeared at a rally carrying a sign that read, Obama is a Keynesian. Many were outraged and took Cobb to task for suggesting that President Obama was from Kenya. And, there is the American electorate for you they don't know the difference between a country and an economic system.

    These same people populate the comment strings whenever there is a news story regarding Dr. Ron Paul for President. Here are some of their reasons why Paul should not be President.

    1) He is an old coot.
    Now there is a comment that really exercised the gray matter. Of course, coot refers to a kind of bird but can also mean a harmless, simple person. I agree that Paul is harmless, but to suggest he is simple misses the mark by a few light years. No other candidate for office of the President of the United States can meet Paul head on in a debate without coming out looking like a fool. If you don't agree with that statement just read a few of Paul's books, Keep a dictionary handy.

    2) He is a nut.
    I suspect this shallow comment means that Paul is foolish, eccentric, or crazy. No proof is offered. It is just a baseless ad hominem attack.

    3) He is an isolationist.
    This comment is clear evidence that the writer has made no effort at all to understand Paul's foreign policy. It just happens to be identical to that of Thomas Jefferson. "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none." If we had followed that foreign policy throughout our history almost no wars would have been fought. We fought a war in Vietnam during the 1960's. EVERY day in 1968 we brought an average of 80 boys a day home in body bags. Why did we fight that war? Containment? How did that work out? Then we normalized relations with Vietnam in 1979 and began the foreign policy of Paul and Jefferson. Guess what? We have a friend in Vietnam and trade regularly. What we could not do with bombs and bullets we have accomplished with commerce, friendliness, and example. Paul is not an isolationist he is for non-intervention.

    4) He doesn't understand that we are at war with Islam.
    Really? Is that the express or implied policy of the United States? Shall we ask Congress to formally declare war on 1.5-billion Muslims? Islam may be a problem but any debate should take place in the free market place of ideas. Paul understands this quite well.

    5) He is unelectable.
    This comment comes from watching too much television rather than thinking for oneself. A reporter put that question directly to Paul during one of the debates in 2008 without even realizing he was insulting the voters in Lake Jackson Texas who had consistently elected Paul to Congress multiple times. Did the reporter think that the voters of Lake Jackson were someway not demographically representative of the nation as a whole? More likely the reporter did not think at all.

    6) He favors letting Iran have nuclear weapons.
    No, Paul does not believe in interfering in the internal affairs of other nations. Many nations possess nuclear arsenals. What is special about Iran? Test your memory when was the last time Iran attacked anyone?

    Many other comments are similarly inane. He is not a pure Libertarian, he is pro-life, he doesn't look presidential, his supporters are nuts, etc. So, will Paul be given the opportunity to heal the nation? Probably not. Because as a people we are worse than ignorant, we think government is good.
     
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    What Would Really Happen If Ron Paul Were To Be Elected President?

    President Paul would immediately push for $1 trillion cut in federal spending (per year, not the $3 trillion that Democrats proposed over 10 years with half of that from increased taxes).

    President Paul would have the authority as commander-and-chief to withdraw troops from overseas, within limits of treaty commitments which must be honored (US supplies defense for Saudi Arabia, many other nations). To the extent possible, the US would cease being the world's policeman and plunderer of foreign economies (Iraq, Libya). The US would cease being a war economy. President Paul would also push to eradicate foreign aid which essentially is bribery, often to foreign despots who the US quietly supports because they hold a strong hand over their masses.

    President Paul would have some empty chairs in his Cabinet the Department of Commerce, Department of Education and other Cabinet positions would be eliminated. Civil service employees would be ushered into other government jobs.

    President Paul would likely demand, using his bully-pulpit, a regular audit of the Federal Reserve (recall the FED pushed $13 trillion of short-term loans out the door in the world financial crisis without any oversight, which resulted in worldwide inflation and the unrest we now see in foreign countries Egypt, Libya, etc as a result of rising food prices.).

    You probably don't know that the Federal Reserve bank takes a 6% cut off the top of all interest it collects as middleman between the US Treasury Dept and local banks. (President John F Kennedy realized this, recognized it would result in huge federal debts in the future, which have now materialized, and cut the Federal Reserve entirely out of the equation in 1963 by directly issuing US Notes, not Federal Reserve currency, into the economy. Of course, shots fired in Dallas ceased that practice and all those US Notes were quietly withdrawn from circulation.) That cut for the central bankers would be eliminated in a Ron Paul Presidency.

    President Paul would likely demand and personally oversee an audit of the gold at Ft. Knox. Wouldn't you like to be there for that (live cameras please)? If the gold isn't there, who absconded with it and where is it now? (Might not have to look far, it could be stashed in Federal Reserve bank vaults recall, the Federal Reserve is not federal, it is a bunch of private banks who may have absconded with the nation's gold supply).

    With a public groundswell of support, President Paul would oversee the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service, freeing Americans of the onerous and treacherous task of figuring out the taxes they owe (recall the Secretary of the Treasury couldn't accurately figure out his own taxes). No more debtors prison for not filing tax forms properly (yep, some Americans are in prison for this). That would free-up about 6 billion man-hours and $250-300 billion of money now committed to tax preparation. Real money, not the fractionated loan money, would be returned to the economy.

    There would be a re-adjustment period as the nation figures out how to rebuild employment without phony government jobs programs, but anticipate an eventual US renaissance. The US would be spared the fate of Greece which has 40% employment in the government sector, placing those jobs on the back of the remaining tax payers there.

    Without an income tax the Federal Reserve would have no conduit to siphon money back out of the economy to limit inflation and it would have to cease its inflationary money printing practices. Mothers of young American children would be told that their struggles to see their kids get ahead in this country will not be futile as the Federal Reserve's planned inflation policy would be put to a halt. If your kids can't earn a better income than the rate of inflation (now 7-11%, government says it is only ~3%) they will surely be impoverished.

    For example, if an American child was born in 1990 and her/her mother as sole bread winner was making $35,000 a year on the date of that child's birth, that child would have to earn $60,758 today (2011) to equal his/her mother's salary in 1990. Soccer moms should shout loudly for a Ron Paul Presidency. Your children have no future if one of the other pretenders is elected. Without currency reform, all other reforms become meaningless. The elites will continue to plunder and undermine the wealth that you create.

    President Ron Paul would push for the federal government to get out of the real estate lending business. By Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ensuring home loans, lenders generated loans based upon low teaser interest rates (subprime, ALT-A) and unverified incomes and then funneled these bad loans on up to these quasi-government agencies where the public took the losses (these losses are now on the accounting books of the Federal Reserve). In a Ron Paul Presidency, bad lenders would go out of business, not be given bailouts.

    The Federal Reserve now holds over $1 trillion in bad loans on it accounting books let the Federal Reserve get what it deserves a giant loss as its banks go out of business due to insolvency, just punishment for allowing low interest rates to prevail and create a real estate bubble in the first place. Stop protecting bankers, start protecting your own wealth vote for Ron Paul!

    Without a government backstop to insure home loans, lenders would be more diligent in checking out lender qualifications and incomes. The false demand for housing that the Federal government created would cease and home values would crash, for a short time. But that would be good news now homes would become affordable.

    It is said, if the Federal Government would get out of housing homes prices would tumble by 50%. While that is not good news for the asset-side of lenders accounting books, it is the only way to bring back the housing market in a short time. This is the mark-to-market value accounting that must be practiced. Interest rates on home mortgages would rise, but so would the interest on saved money Americans would cease losing money on savings accounts (interest on saved money today is less than 1% while inflation is ~7-11%).

    While the US economy is said to be the strongest in the world (~$14 trillion), the US is hiding the fact its Gross Domestic Product is actually in decline and that probably half of the GDP is comprised of financial gains from moving money around. An example is the stock market with 70% of its trades now comprised of high-speed millisecond trading. Financial gains are contrived and there is no real value created out of these phony transactions, nor is any employment created. The lending classes will have to face reality. Phony numbers would not likely be a part of a Ron Paul Presidency.

    With a groundswell of public support, President Ron Paul would push for a currency that has limited stretchability by backing it with gold. No more rubber money. The fortunes of Americans would cease being eroded by money printing practices at the Federal Reserve. If you missed Ron Paul's object lesson - he recently held up a pre-1964 silver dime (dimes today have no silver in them) and said it is worth ~$3.00 today, about the price of a gallon of gasoline. That means a gold-backed dollar could buy you a full tank of gas. Imagine that?

    But inflationary policies have robbed American bank accounts of wealth. The thief of inflation that is robbing your money out the back door of your local bank would be handcuffed.

    Ron Paul would also push for competing currencies (if this sounds foreign to you, we already have one its called a VISA card, and don't forget American Express Checks). Creators of currencies who have the most backing in the form of reserves would have the most desired currencies, those who don't would have currencies of lesser value.

    So what would happen worldwide with the announcement of a Ron Paul Presidency? Did you see what happened yesterday when the European Union band-aided its currency and debt problems for the time being. Markets soared with even a hint of sound money. Likewise, a Ron Paul Presidency should cause markets to soar just on the announcement of his Presidency. The International Monetary Fund has been begging the US to cut federal spending or devalue its currency by 30%.

    The tax and print-money Keynsians would be ousted from power. Phony money would be a thing of the past. Real jobs, not government-contrived jobs that add a 15% administration burden and place the salaries of government workers on the remaining private sector, would be created. Two bad examples are Solyndra and General Motors, both whom received a government-back loan and then sought government contracts to sell solar panels to the US Navy and Chevy Volt electric cars to the federal government's fleet of automobiles. That is nothing but false demand.

    Imagine Ron Paul appoints a new chief at the Food & Drug Administration who turns that institution upside down, who complies with the law (Dietary Supplement Health & Education Act) rather than repudiates or ignores it as the current FDA does, and works to allow health claims for natural medicines that work far more safely and effectively than synthetically made drugs, and at much lower cost. Imagine the National Institutes of Health is forced to generate studies to reveal the true effectiveness of vitamins C and D, as previously documented by this author in the archives at LewRockwell.com, and the life expectancy of Americans soars and their quality of life in their retirement years greatly improves. Dr. Ron Paul is committed to this kind of real change, not give lip service to it.

    Imagine for a moment that President Ron Paul, advocate of free markets, calls for a true revamp of the nation's electrical grid unlike the current administration which only gives rhetoric to the idea. With installation of new US-manufactured power cable technology that is able to transmit twice as much power on a single power line with 9-20% greater efficiency (less line loss), averting the need for 98 new fossil-fueled or atomic power plants by stringing just 3000 miles of the nation's power lines with this US-made technology, and bringing $60 billion greater bottom-line profits to power generating companies, your electricity bill would be measurably trimmed instead of continually rising.

    Ron Paul your President. Your vote for RP will cause all of the above and more to happen. This article is just a sampling of what could happen almost overnight. One man, one moment in time, and everything changes on day-one of a RP Presidency. It would the best $39,000 your government could invest (Ron Paul has publicly stated he would take a $39,000/year salary while in office compared to the $400,000/year salary of the incumbent, to set an example).

    Don't be dissuaded by bogus claims "Ron Paul is unelectable" or by the menu of wanna-be candidates served up by the news media. The 4th-Estate, the nation's major news sources are not unbiased parties. The news media is in dire financial straits themselves and wants those campaign advertising dollars, particularly the $750 million the incumbent President is likely to raise like he did last election. Ron Paul is electable by you. Make the election of RP so magnanimous that even vote fraud can't hide it.

    Let's recap no income tax, the Federal government generates revenues by other means; no IRS forms to deal with; no need to send your kids off to phony wars in foreign theatres; no more cut off the top by the Federal Reserve; assurance there really is gold in Ft. Knox; gold-backed money like this nation once had before the banksters cut their own deal at Jekyll Island, South Carolina decades ago and Nixon took America off the gold standard; rising individual purchasing power as inflation is nixed (no need to ask the boss for a raise, your money will buy more), financial gains on your banked money instead of erosion of your wealth via inflation; your chance to own a home will greatly improve rather than the current situation where home ownership is now only a fading American pipe dream; and true reform of healthcare rather than manipulation by those with vested interests.

    These are what a Ron Paul Presidency portends. This is Doctor Ron Paul's prescription for the re-installation of sanity in American politics. Entrenched forces and crony capitalism are destroying America. You can fight back. Let the public's voice be heard loud at the ballot box. Vote for Ron Paul so the 99% can have a real opportunity to become the 1%.

    You can save your country, save your family, save your nation's future vote Ron Paul for President.

    October 31, 2011
     
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    It'd be like a wet dream to live in a USA under President Paul.
    I certainly know where i'll be heading...
     
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    CNN Defends the Fed Calls Ron Paul Economically Illiterate

    Every 2012 contender attended college. They all graduated. They went to schools like the University of Pennsylvania, Columbia, Texas A&M, Morehouse, Penn State and Emory. But decades have passed since these Presidential candidates first stepped onto campus as freshmen. Is it time for an Econ 101 refresher course? America's Econ 101 professors say yes. In their view, the candidates continue to offer ideas and policies that wouldn't pass muster in their classes populated by 18 year-old college students. "There are so many economic 'misstatements' being made," said Jonathan Lanning, a professor at Bryn Mawr who is teaching two introductory economics classes this semester. "And it isn't confined to any one candidate." ... Another professor who teaches at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Michael Salemi, was able to identify statements from six candidates that "would earn failing grades in my Econ 101 class." Salemi called Ron Paul's rationale for returning to the gold standard "one of the most dangerous ideas put forward by a politician in recent years." ~ CNN Money

    Dominant Social Theme: When it comes to economics, Ron Paul doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Free-Market Analysis: So here comes Dr. Michael Salemi to defend central banking from Ron Paul. And where does his defense appear? On CNN, of course, the pre-eminent US media mouthpiece for the Anglosphere power elite.

    The more CNN sinks in the ratings, the more support it gets. It's kind of the anti-news channel in this regard or perhaps the media's most prominent example of the Peter Principal (outside of AOL, another elite-controlled outfit). CNN is constantly failing upward, along with CIA-trained Anderson Cooper.

    This statement by Salemi (see article excerpt above) is especially egregious. Ron Paul has written books on free-market economics and was a close friend of the great libertarian economist Murray Rothbard who along with Lew Rockwell founded the Mises Institute.

    Today, the numbers of Ludwig von Mises Google cites rival those of the Fabian fraud, John Maynard Keynes. Free-market thinking has swept the world, magnified by the megaphone of communications technology and the Internet Reformation. What's Salemi ever done other than to offer up misinformation to overly-trusting students?

    This is nothing but a big dominant social theme of the power elite. The meme is simple: Central banks are a natural progression of the money system and anyone who contradicts them is being foolish and economically illiterate.

    This isn't true, of course. Central bankers FIX the supply of money by deciding on its volume and price. Price-fixing never works. It merely transfers wealth from those who produce it to those who have not and don't have any idea of how to deploy it efficiently. That's why lottery winners are always going broke and why the government itself a price-fixing machine can never get anything right.

    Every regulation and law is a price fix, creating unpredictable and destructive results. Eventually, you get to the point where the economy is so distorted that no one knows what to invest in any more. The economy grinds to a halt. No one wants to build anything. Jobs wither and die. That's where we are now.

    But the powers-that-be will do ANYTHING to defend central banking, which is the fount and source of all their power. Now they're heading toward SDRs and a world currency. In fact, the plan is becoming abundantly clear: Topple the global economy in order to make the Western middle classes (the enemy of the power elite) so miserable that they will willingly acquiesce to world government.

    There is no need for central banks or central banking but they are all over the world now. It is a disease of the 20th century, transmitted to the 21st. The elites know quite well that central banking brings misery and destruction on all. But still they pursue it. The rewards are too great to do otherwise.

    But at what cost? They've destroyed America's standard of living, are setting Europe on fire, and soon China may collapse as well. How can anyone deny the history of central banking or its terrible results?

    And this is the penultimate moment. "They" are striking now, putting into motion what seems to be a malicious and bloodthirsty plan that has deliberately degraded the living standards of billions in order to generate the intended result. Here's some more from the article:

    Michele Bachmann promised to bring back $2 gas. Tim Pawlenty suggested sustained 5% GDP growth was a realistic target. Rick Perry would balance the budget with lower tax revenues. No dice, say the professors.

    See the cleverness that CNN employs in propagating this pro-central banking meme? They lump together Congressman Ron Paul (a profound free-market scholar) with shambling Bilderberg-approved wannabees like Romney and Rick Perry (who can't even remember his own lines).

    End the Fed. End the horror. End the economic depressions and their truly genocidal misery. And, hey ... don't bring back the gold standard! Let it arise naturally as the result of competing "money." A private gold and silver standard has been the hallmark of human prosperity for hundreds and even thousands of years. We have no doubt where a free society would end up, moneywise.

    The ratio between gold and silver alerts "commoners" to times when the elites are attempting to manipulate gold, which has always been the money of the upper classes. That's why gold and silver have traditionally been paired within free-market environments.

    Conclusion: All this is standard stuff but it has been purposefully obscured by the paid liars of the power elite who populate what we laughingly call the West's "university system." Ron Paul has more knowledge about the economy in one tiny finger than these sophists of monetary thuggery have in their entire collective body.
    Stephen Golub, who is teaching Econ 101 at Swarthmore College this semester, said some of the ideas floated by Presidential candidates would earn a failing grade in his class. "I think it's grossly irresponsible what they are saying," Golub said. "It's not about economics. It's about getting elected. They are promising things that are impossible to deliver or make little sense."


    The rhetoric sounds good on the campaign trail. Not in the classroom. The simple laws of supply and demand render Bachmann's $2 gas promise void, said Erik Nelson, an Econ 101 professor at Bowdoin College. Federal Reserve: GOP's whipping boy Rick Perry labeling Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke as treasonous? "Really over the top," said Golub ... Neither "side" has a "truly comprehensive understanding of even basic economics ... "
     

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