Who's made their decisions on the election?

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

What is the point of electing any of these bozos?
The big cuts, the big fiscally responsible party is doing precisely - SWEET FA!! A few cuts to foreign aid and a bit of 'saving' by ''stopping the boats"!
Wasn't this the party going on a few months ago that the budget was in crisis? And how are they fixing it? By spending almost as much as labor!!! Electoral geniuses!!!
The two major parties are the same party. The joke is that anyone thinks these idiots are any different.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/coalition-costings-cuts-foreign-aid

You must be seriously retarded

I see one raving lunatic on this thread and it's you yippee. You got rabies or something coz you're frothing at the mouth.

75000 people arriving by boat under the ALP watch over the last 6 years since simpleton Rudd dismantled the very effective laws of the Coalition on this matter.
all these people on the dole, plus being supplied free tv's. fridges, furniture, free access to our court system in order to challenge refugee status rulings not in their favour... all this costing tax payers TEN Of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and you call stopping all this waste a "small saving"???

I believe most would view you to be the raving luncatic u @ssw1pe :lol:

 

[doomsday surprise]

You must be seriously retarded

I see one raving lunatic on this thread and it's you yippee. You got rabies or something coz you're frothing at the mouth.

75000 people arriving by boat under the ALP watch over the last 6 years since simpleton Rudd dismantled the very effective laws of the Coalition on this matter.
all these people on the dole, plus being supplied free tv's. fridges, furniture, free access to our court system in order to challenge refugee status rulings not in their favour... all this costing tax payers TEN Of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and you call stopping all this waste a "small saving"???

I believe most would view you to be the raving luncatic u @ssw1pe :lol:

Stop the boats, stop the boats, STOP THE BOATS! Billions of dollars - every one a doll bludger. You're a freaking nutjob! I'm sick to death of this BS mantra. I really can't stand this country much and it's because of freaking lunatics like you. Asylum seekers are NOT a big problem and I'm disgusted at the way we treat them.
Racist red neck bogans like you who are ill informed sheep bleating the boats mantra, spouting lies and misinformation about asylum seekers are a blight on this country. But hey, bleat away like most of the other sheep.

 

[capt.sparrow]

So when is the next double dissolution election? I'm fairly sure the carbon tax repeal bill won't get through the senate so another election coming up.

wanna bet?

fortunately this time the balance of power in the senate is held by centre right parties who loathe the carbon tax even more than the Libs do...

The time of the Fabian scum is - for now - over....

 

[capt.sparrow]

I see one raving lunatic on this thread and it's you yippee. You got rabies or something coz you're frothing at the mouth.

75000 people arriving by boat under the ALP watch over the last 6 years since simpleton Rudd dismantled the very effective laws of the Coalition on this matter.
all these people on the dole, plus being supplied free tv's. fridges, furniture, free access to our court system in order to challenge refugee status rulings not in their favour... all this costing tax payers TEN Of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and you call stopping all this waste a "small saving"???

I believe most would view you to be the raving luncatic u @ssw1pe :lol:

Stop the boats, stop the boats, STOP THE BOATS! Billions of dollars - every one a doll bludger. You're a freaking nutjob! I'm sick to death of this BS mantra. I really can't stand this country much and it's because of freaking lunatics like you. Asylum seekers are NOT a big problem and I'm disgusted at the way we treat them.
Racist red neck bogans like you who are ill informed sheep bleating the boats mantra, spouting lies and misinformation about asylum seekers are a blight on this country. But hey, bleat away like most of the other sheep.

Mate - it's a fact that well over 90% of so-called refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives.

We as taxpayers have a right to object to our tax dollars being used to support economic migrants. If you want to donate more of your hard earned cash to them then start a fund for it, but don't expect the rest of us to foot the bill of this crazy setup.

 

[Old Codger]

I doubt that the greens would chance their arm on a double dissolution.

They have a lot to lose, and not much to gain after yesterday.

 

[doomsday surprise]

75000 people arriving by boat under the ALP watch over the last 6 years since simpleton Rudd dismantled the very effective laws of the Coalition on this matter.
all these people on the dole, plus being supplied free tv's. fridges, furniture, free access to our court system in order to challenge refugee status rulings not in their favour... all this costing tax payers TEN Of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and you call stopping all this waste a "small saving"???

I believe most would view you to be the raving luncatic u @ssw1pe :lol:

Stop the boats, stop the boats, STOP THE BOATS! Billions of dollars - every one a doll bludger. You're a freaking nutjob! I'm sick to death of this BS mantra. I really can't stand this country much and it's because of freaking lunatics like you. Asylum seekers are NOT a big problem and I'm disgusted at the way we treat them.
Racist red neck bogans like you who are ill informed sheep bleating the boats mantra, spouting lies and misinformation about asylum seekers are a blight on this country. But hey, bleat away like most of the other sheep.

Mate - it's a fact that well over 90% of so-called refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives.

We as taxpayers have a right to object to our tax dollars being used to support economic migrants. If you want to donate more of your hard earned cash to them then start a fund for it, but don't expect the rest of us to foot the bill of this crazy setup.

Absolute BS!! This is the typical crap that gets spouted about refugees and it doesn't have any basis in fact.

 

[doomsday surprise]

So when is the next double dissolution election? I'm fairly sure the carbon tax repeal bill won't get through the senate so another election coming up.

wanna bet?

fortunately this time the balance of power in the senate is held by centre right parties who loathe the carbon tax even more than the Libs do...

The time of the Fabian scum is - for now - over....

Actually wrote that when the early numbers were in. Thought the senate would look different. Looks like the carbon tax will be repealed without too many hassles.

 

[Shaddam IV]

Stop the boats, stop the boats, STOP THE BOATS! Billions of dollars - every one a doll bludger. You're a freaking nutjob! I'm sick to death of this BS mantra. I really can't stand this country much and it's because of freaking lunatics like you. Asylum seekers are NOT a big problem and I'm disgusted at the way we treat them.
Racist red neck bogans like you who are ill informed sheep bleating the boats mantra, spouting lies and misinformation about asylum seekers are a blight on this country. But hey, bleat away like most of the other sheep.

Mate - it's a fact that well over 90% of so-called refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives.

We as taxpayers have a right to object to our tax dollars being used to support economic migrants. If you want to donate more of your hard earned cash to them then start a fund for it, but don't expect the rest of us to foot the bill of this crazy setup.

Absolute BS!! This is the typical crap that gets spouted about refugees and it doesn't have any basis in fact.

So what are the facts?

 

[doomsday surprise]

Mate - it's a fact that well over 90% of so-called refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives.

We as taxpayers have a right to object to our tax dollars being used to support economic migrants. If you want to donate more of your hard earned cash to them then start a fund for it, but don't expect the rest of us to foot the bill of this crazy setup.

Absolute BS!! This is the typical crap that gets spouted about refugees and it doesn't have any basis in fact.

So what are the facts?

Look them up. Plenty of information out there if you could be bothered looking. Where is this "fact" that 90% of refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives?

 

[Shaddam IV]

Absolute BS!! This is the typical crap that gets spouted about refugees and it doesn't have any basis in fact.

So what are the facts?

Look them up. Plenty of information out there if you could be bothered looking. Where is this "fact" that 90% of refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives?

Which "facts" do you want me to look up? The internet is full of people spouting "facts". Do you want me to look up "facts" that a agree with you or "facts" that disagree with you because there are plenty of both.

 

[millededge]

The Liberals are a cohesive, mature party. Labor is not really a party, it is a group of factions clawing for control of available turf. That is enough for me.

That's hilarious, after Howard gutted the party.... Libs are exactly in this position, Howard removed anyone who dissented with him and left behind a sick party unable to think for its self without their glorious leader. Their losses at the last two elections had little to do with Kevin or Julia being good candidates and everything to do with the fact that they weren't a real party, just a group of factions clawing for control of available turf.

Sure the libs have had a couple of years to pick themselves up but they and labour are in very similar positions, the libs are just a bit father along the path to recovery.

I'm voting below the line, the only thing I haven't decided yet is if i put the libs or labour last.

Actually it was the two indies, Oakeshott and Windsor who gave us Julia.

 

[Big A.D.]

So what are the facts?

Look them up. Plenty of information out there if you could be bothered looking. Where is this "fact" that 90% of refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives?

Which "facts" do you want me to look up? The internet is full of people spouting "facts". Do you want me to look up "facts" that a agree with you or "facts" that disagree with you because there are plenty of both.

There is a report called Settlement Outcomes of New Arrivals published a year or so ago by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship which is a good starting point.

From there, move on to other papers which reference the SONA report (there's plenty of discussion on it from both pro and anti refugee sides, as well as non-partisan, independent analysis).

 

[Byron]

What struck me most last night was the typical Labor arrogance of pretending that they somehow did well when in fact they got their lowest primary vote since the end of world war 2.

The more third worlders they bring in the more votes for Labor. Hence looking at the electoral map the main area of support for Labor is in big city migrant and houso slums.

Labor - the party of bleeding heart champagne socialists, alternatives, foreigners and dole bludgers.

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

Look them up. Plenty of information out there if you could be bothered looking. Where is this "fact" that 90% of refugees stay on the dole for the rest of their lives?

Which "facts" do you want me to look up? The internet is full of people spouting "facts". Do you want me to look up "facts" that a agree with you or "facts" that disagree with you because there are plenty of both.

There is a report called Settlement Outcomes of New Arrivals published a year or so ago by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship which is a good starting point.

From there, move on to other papers which reference the SONA report (there's plenty of discussion on it from both pro and anti refugee sides, as well as non-partisan, independent analysis).

Here's one for starters:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427

MORE than 60 per cent of refugees to Australia have failed to get a job after five years, according to a damning Federal Government report into the humanitarian settlement program.

And 83 per cent of those households now rely on welfare payments for income.

 

[Big A.D.]

Which "facts" do you want me to look up? The internet is full of people spouting "facts". Do you want me to look up "facts" that a agree with you or "facts" that disagree with you because there are plenty of both.

There is a report called Settlement Outcomes of New Arrivals published a year or so ago by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship which is a good starting point.

From there, move on to other papers which reference the SONA report (there's plenty of discussion on it from both pro and anti refugee sides, as well as non-partisan, independent analysis).

Here's one for starters:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427

MORE than 60 per cent of refugees to Australia have failed to get a job after five years, according to a damning Federal Government report into the humanitarian settlement program.

And 83 per cent of those households now rely on welfare payments for income.

Yes, or you could read the actual report itself.

If you did, you might notice that what the Murdoch press spins as "60% of refugees have failed to get a job after five years" includes all refugees, including children and women who take on household duties.

Dad (working), Mum (not working), Kid 1, Kid 2 = 75% unemployment rate.

You might also notice that nearly a quarter of refugees obtained a trade or university qualification within five years of arriving here (and that's despite their disadvantage with poor English). Given that a bachelors degree typically takes four years to obtain, there wouldn't be many newly minted graduates represented in the 5 year period in question. They'd have to have been let out of the concentration camp detention centre, found somewhere to live, waited for the next intake period, enrolled and begun their studies within about a six month period in order to still make it into that 5 year time frame with a few months to spare after graduating (bonus if they also got a job in that time too).

You could ask "How many 22 year olds have a trade or university qualification?" and you'd also get a pretty low number. Measure attainment of qualifications over a longer time frame, like 10 years, and the numbers will no doubt look significantly better.

If you were inclined, you might also want to compare the rates of government assistance given to refugees and compare it to the rate of government assistance given to the rest of the Australian population. They're not actually that different.

But again, "Refugees On The Dole" sells more newspapers for Rupert than "1,200,000 Australians Have Bad Investment In Property Subsidised By Everyone Else".

 

[millededge]

There is a report called Settlement Outcomes of New Arrivals published a year or so ago by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship which is a good starting point.

From there, move on to other papers which reference the SONA report (there's plenty of discussion on it from both pro and anti refugee sides, as well as non-partisan, independent analysis).

Here's one for starters:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427

MORE than 60 per cent of refugees to Australia have failed to get a job after five years, according to a damning Federal Government report into the humanitarian settlement program.

And 83 per cent of those households now rely on welfare payments for income.

Yes, or you could read the actual report itself.

If you did, you might notice that what the Murdoch press spins as "60% of refugees have failed to get a job after five years" includes all refugees, including children and women who take on household duties.

Dad (working), Mum (not working), Kid 1, Kid 2 = 75% unemployment rate.

You might also notice that nearly a quarter of refugees obtained a trade or university qualification within five years of arriving here (and that's despite their disadvantage with poor English). Given that a bachelors degree typically takes four years to obtain, there wouldn't be many newly minted graduates represented in the 5 year period in question. They'd have to have been let out of the concentration camp detention centre, found somewhere to live, waited for the next intake period, enrolled and begun their studies within about a six month period in order to still make it into that 5 year time frame with a few months to spare after graduating (bonus if they also got a job in that time too).

You could ask "How many 22 year olds have a trade or university qualification?" and you'd also get a pretty low number. Measure attainment of qualifications over a longer time frame, like 10 years, and the numbers will no doubt look significantly better.

If you were inclined, you might also want to compare the rates of government assistance given to refugees and compare it to the rate of government assistance given to the rest of the Australian population. They're not actually that different.

But again, "Refugees On The Dole" sells more newspapers for Rupert than "1,200,000 Australians Have Bad Investment In Property Subsidised By Everyone Else".

That's quite unusual to be able to pay for a university degree

In fact, unless the taxpayer is paying for the degree in part or full, or funds are coming from abroad, then it is not possible. I know this because I've seen it. Foreign students can legally only work something like 20 hours a week. If they are using that money to live and pay for their entire degree its not really possible, unless their accommodation is entirely paid for (taxpayer again)

 

[millededge]

180k for the first year is a hell of a lot of assistance and way more than the average aussie gets. It is our money. We earned it and absolutely we can be humanitarian without taking those that simply sail in front of the line, which is long and full of many deserving people. I would rather take someone who does the right thing and takes their place in the queue.

What we have seen in the last six years is rewarding those that elbow their way in front, at a much greater cost too! That is money that is now to be paid at interest to international banks.

 

[millededge]

And that means literally humanitarian aid to our own citizens in the future goes instead to this group. It is unconscionable.

 

[metalzzz]

Here's one for starters:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427

Yes, or you could read the actual report itself.

If you did, you might notice that what the Murdoch press spins as "60% of refugees have failed to get a job after five years" includes all refugees, including children and women who take on household duties.

Dad (working), Mum (not working), Kid 1, Kid 2 = 75% unemployment rate.

You might also notice that nearly a quarter of refugees obtained a trade or university qualification within five years of arriving here (and that's despite their disadvantage with poor English). Given that a bachelors degree typically takes four years to obtain, there wouldn't be many newly minted graduates represented in the 5 year period in question. They'd have to have been let out of the concentration camp detention centre, found somewhere to live, waited for the next intake period, enrolled and begun their studies within about a six month period in order to still make it into that 5 year time frame with a few months to spare after graduating (bonus if they also got a job in that time too).

You could ask "How many 22 year olds have a trade or university qualification?" and you'd also get a pretty low number. Measure attainment of qualifications over a longer time frame, like 10 years, and the numbers will no doubt look significantly better.

If you were inclined, you might also want to compare the rates of government assistance given to refugees and compare it to the rate of government assistance given to the rest of the Australian population. They're not actually that different.

But again, "Refugees On The Dole" sells more newspapers for Rupert than "1,200,000 Australians Have Bad Investment In Property Subsidised By Everyone Else".

That's quite unusual to be able to pay for a university degree

In fact, unless the taxpayer is paying for the degree in part or full, or funds are coming from abroad, then it is not possible. I know this because I've seen it. Foreign students can legally only work something like 20 hours a week. If they are using that money to live and pay for their entire degree its not really possible, unless their accommodation is entirely paid for (taxpayer again)

People pay for uni degrees as they go? My ass, slap it on HECS don't they?

 

[millededge]

People pay for uni degrees as they go? My ass, slap it on HECS don't they?

International students pay up front or in regular installments as they go. They do not receive HECS. They also need to demonstrate they have the capacity to pay their own living expenses, ie provide bank evidence of a large balance.

They can work legally for a small number of hours per week and that cannot pay for the fees and living expenses in toto.

I'm pretty sure those figures about uni grads from boat people are rather rubbery.