Who's made their decisions on the election?

[Earthjade]

Now I know why they call it the "Donkey Vote".

I was going to say something, but then saw that you live in Melbourne and decided that was punishment enough.

 

[fiatphoney]

Source: Brought to you by the letter 'Y' and 'P'

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

That's hilarious, after Howard gutted the party.... Libs are exactly in this position, Howard removed anyone who dissented with him and left behind a sick party unable to think for its self without their glorious leader.

Any facts to back that up of is it simply your opinion?

The way the party fell apart after his 2007 defeat?

Part of being a leader/CEO is proper succession planning, to be able to do this you need peers, not underlings, you need people able to step up into positions, people who can think.

Howard systematically squashed any dissension in the party during his 4 terms (citation needed ;P)

This left only Costello to pick up the reigns, when Howard stepped down, but Howard got greedy and refused to hand over power as he was supposed to.

Only after losing the election did Howard try to hand over power, Costello quite rightly refused the poisoned chalice he was offered and quit.

The party was in turmoil unable to properly execute because a power vacuum was left behind, anyone who would have been able to step up was no longer there.

You can't honestly tell me you think Abbott has good political sense.

As much as I didn't like Howard he was a shrewd if uncharismatic politician. Compared to The current bumbling of Rudd and Abbott he was amazing.

Kevin tried to do the same thing in the labor party and that is why they outed him, their only mistake was not squashing him properly when they had the chance, against their own better judgement they took him back several months ago because they thought they might win, this is the same greed that lost Howard the election in 2007, doesn't look like it is serving them very well now does it....

*shrugs* feel free to disagree with me but if you try to tell me the Liberals are executing policy + politics right now as well as they were when Howard was at the helm I will not be able to stop laughing at you.

Howard was probably the WORST thing that ever happened to the Liberal Party! History will judge him along the same lines as some of history's worst dictators - having single handedly disarmed all the good guys in Australia, and left only the cops and criminals (the bad guys) with guns... this is the single worst infringement on individual freedoms which i can ever recall any so-called "liberal" ever inflicting on individual liberties.

Besides his over generous paid parental scheme policy i dont recall much else that Abbott has said or done which is retarded - unlike 99% of the stuff the Greens and the ALP constantly do and make laws to do.

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

I'm going to vote for The Wikileaks Party!

Me too, but that's only in the Senate. Which means you can still vote for a change of government in the lower house.

It is almost like the election in the senate is a referendum on the safe return of Assange.

There are NO WIKILEAKS candidates in the Senate sheet - at least not in the QLD senate sheet

 

[Earthjade]

The Wikileaks party has been divided by infighting and there were a heap of resignations a fortnight ago.
That's one reason why I voted Pirate Party over Wikileaks - Pirate Party is somewhat more coherent and unified in their message of freedom of information.

 

[MyNamesNotBen]

Yippe, why do you hate socialism so much?

 

[Shaddam IV]

Yippe, why do you hate socialism so much?

Socialism would work fine if everyone were equal. When you have a section of society that gets up in the morning and produces and supports themselves, and another section of society that feels entitled to sit on their behinds and expect the state to carry them the system is doomed to fail. Much like communism socialism suppresses entrepreneurs and hard workers and innovators who tire of having the fruits of their labour confiscated by the state to give to the lazy and unmotivated.

 

[Big A.D.]

Honestly, I can't stand Tony, he's creepy. Very creepy.

If Malcolm Turnbull was the leader of the Libs, and they abandoned their crappy NBN plans then I'd vote for them. Failing that... *sigh* options are slim.

it's thanks to numnutz like you that Australia has had 6 years of commie rule with its associated increase in taxes, lowering of standards of living and loss of personal liberties.

Sorry to burst your bubble Yippe but

1. Our Tax-to-GDP ratio has fallen over the last 6 years from ~24% (under Howard-Costello) to ~21% (under Rudd/Gillard-Swan).

We are, in fact, paying less overall tax now.

2. Our standards of living has increased significantly over the last 6 years, with the average household better of by around $5000 per year in real terms.

Yes, costs have increased, but incomes have increased at a faster rate.


I know personal liberty is something you like harping on about and if you feel that strongly about such a subjective topic then feel free to keep ranting, but please, stop embarrassing yourself on subjects where the data is so easily available to disprove the rubbish you come out with.

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

Honestly, I can't stand Tony, he's creepy. Very creepy.

If Malcolm Turnbull was the leader of the Libs, and they abandoned their crappy NBN plans then I'd vote for them. Failing that... *sigh* options are slim.

it's thanks to numnutz like you that Australia has had 6 years of commie rule with its associated increase in taxes, lowering of standards of living and loss of personal liberties.

Sorry to burst your bubble Yippe but

1. Our Tax-to-GDP ratio has fallen over the last 6 years from ~24% (under Howard-Costello) to ~21% (under Rudd/Gillard-Swan).

We are, in fact, paying less overall tax now.

2. Our standards of living has increased significantly over the last 6 years, with the average household better of by around $5000 per year in real terms.

Yes, costs have increased, but incomes have increased at a faster rate.


I know personal liberty is something you like harping on about and if you feel that strongly about such a subjective topic then feel free to keep ranting, but please, stop embarrassing yourself on subjects where the data is so easily available to disprove the rubbish you come out with.

1. My (and just about everybody who works)'s tax:income ratio has INCREASED under the ALP/Greens scumbag government
2. what utter horsesh!t!

Good to see you haven't lost your affinity for constant and consistent verbal diarriah mate! :lol:

 

[Silver Pauper]

1. Our Tax-to-GDP ratio has fallen over the last 6 years from ~24% (under Howard-Costello) to ~21% (under Rudd/Gillard-Swan).

We are, in fact, paying less overall tax now.

2. Our standards of living has increased significantly over the last 6 years, with the average household better of by around $5000 per year in real terms.

Yes, costs have increased, but incomes have increased at a faster rate.

Big A.D.,

Can you please provide the sources of the data that backs up your statements?

Thanks,

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

Who's made their decisions on the election?

I made up my mind many years ago, I'll be voting the same way I did at the previous Fed election, ie:

what a tit! a spoiled ballot is just as good as a vote for the current establishment.

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

What is the point of electing any of these bozos?
The big cuts, the big fiscally responsible party is doing precisely - SWEET FA!! A few cuts to foreign aid and a bit of 'saving' by ''stopping the boats"!
Wasn't this the party going on a few months ago that the budget was in crisis? And how are they fixing it? By spending almost as much as labor!!! Electoral geniuses!!!
The two major parties are the same party. The joke is that anyone thinks these idiots are any different.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/coalition-costings-cuts-foreign-aid

You must be seriously retarded

 

[Big A.D.]

1. Our Tax-to-GDP ratio has fallen over the last 6 years from ~24% (under Howard-Costello) to ~21% (under Rudd/Gillard-Swan).

We are, in fact, paying less overall tax now.

2. Our standards of living has increased significantly over the last 6 years, with the average household better of by around $5000 per year in real terms.

Yes, costs have increased, but incomes have increased at a faster rate.

Big A.D.,

Can you please provide the sources of the data that backs up your statements?

Thanks,

My point in saying

stop embarrassing yourself on subjects where the data is so easily available to disprove the rubbish you come out with.

...was that Yippe (or anyone) else can google this information very easily. This isn't subjective, airy-fairy stuff - we have measurable, quantifiable data available.

Yippe, however, just likes talking out of his arse on whatever subject he happens to feel enraged about this week, regardless of whether what he's saying has any basis in fact.

For example, this was published on the Macrobusiness blog last week:

NATSEM released a very interesting study last week. The study includes standard of living indices and they show that Australians enjoy a higher standard of living compared to six years ago.

That is not surprising everyone expects their standard of living to rise. The "real" question is how does the standard of living compare to what people expected their standard of living to be? Here the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd government is in a spot of bother. To guesstimate expectations I took a linear extrapolation of the standard of living indices from the Howard era and extended it over the last six years and compared that to the actual standard of living for equivalised household income (NATSEM divide the data into quintiles).

For illustration purposes I show the results of that exercise for the Q3 quintile those with 40 to 60 percentiles of household income. The red line (EQ3) is the linear extrapolation and the blue line (Q3) is the actual index.

We can quibble, of course, perhaps I should have used some other function and not a linear function, or I should have used a longer time period, and so on. The principle remains, however, that while objectively Australians are better off now than they were six years ago, and are better off than individuals in many other OECD economies, Australians do not think they are as well off as they should be, or could be.
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/09/dashed-expectations-to-punish-labor/

So, on the one hand you have an independent study from a respected university using quantifiable data, and on the other hand you have some dude talking smack on an internet forum.

 

[boston]

2. Our standards of living has increased significantly over the last 6 years, with the average household better of by around $5000 per year in real terms.

That's interesting. But not in my household, or anyone that I knows household.

It must be one of those statistics that are.... shall we say, selective.

 

[JulieW]

Having filled in 97 numbers and returned one spoiled paper and needing to use 3 blunt pencils to do I start to wonder whether the existence of retarded political pygmies on the ballet paper and in the booths is part of 'the plan'.

Polling place was a total disgrace. Grubby and ill-equiped ( a school of course). The staff were failing the electoral laws in a couple of areas. (or am I wrong - don't you have to state that you've not voted already today and that this is your correct name?)

One poor old fellow had to put up with a silly cow sitting on her behind at the ballot box and stating over and over again 'fold it' 'fold it' 'fold it' as he tried to fit his metre long senate paper into the ballot box. Because we simple peasants are not allowed interfere with another's voting process I had to watch his nervous attempts to post the ballot until finally it was small enough to fit in the slot. I hope stupid cow finds more understanding of old age when she faces it.

If we get the government we deserve, then judging by the cattle call I saw then we're in for a sh*storm.

And no sausage sizzle!!!

 

[Old Codger]

I think most of the staff at the booths are teachers.

Explains a lot. Probably grumpy because they know their beloved socialists are in for the hiding they deserve.



OC

 

[Nugget]

Having filled in 97 numbers and returned one spoiled paper and needing to use 3 blunt pencils to do I start to wonder whether the existence of retarded political pygmies on the ballet paper and in the booths is part of 'the plan'.

Polling place was a total disgrace. Grubby and ill-equiped ( a school of course). The staff were failing the electoral laws in a couple of areas. (or am I wrong - don't you have to state that you've not voted already today and that this is your correct name?)

One poor old fellow had to put up with a silly cow sitting on her behind at the ballot box and stating over and over again 'fold it' 'fold it' 'fold it' as he tried to fit his metre long senate paper into the ballot box. Because we simple peasants are not allowed interfere with another's voting process I had to watch his nervous attempts to post the ballot until finally it was small enough to fit in the slot. I hope stupid cow finds more understanding of old age when she faces it.

If we get the government we deserve, then judging by the cattle call I saw then we're in for a sh*storm.

And no sausage sizzle!!!

The Sausage sizzle at my booth ran out of bread!!!!!


Disgraceful

 

[Holdfast]

Having filled in 97 numbers and returned one spoiled paper and needing to use 3 blunt pencils to do I start to wonder whether the existence of retarded political pygmies on the ballet paper and in the booths is part of 'the plan'.

Polling place was a total disgrace. Grubby and ill-equiped ( a school of course). The staff were failing the electoral laws in a couple of areas. (or am I wrong - don't you have to state that you've not voted already today and that this is your correct name?)

One poor old fellow had to put up with a silly cow sitting on her behind at the ballot box and stating over and over again 'fold it' 'fold it' 'fold it' as he tried to fit his metre long senate paper into the ballot box. Because we simple peasants are not allowed interfere with another's voting process I had to watch his nervous attempts to post the ballot until finally it was small enough to fit in the slot. I hope stupid cow finds more understanding of old age when she faces it.

If we get the government we deserve, then judging by the cattle call I saw then we're in for a sh*storm.

And no sausage sizzle!!!

The Sausage sizzle at my booth ran out of bread!!!!!


Disgraceful

Mine ran-out of Rozella! Now that's disgraceful!

 

[JulieW]

Bloody socialists giving out too much sauce.

 

[Old Codger]

"The Sausage sizzle at my booth ran out of bread!!!!!"


Must have been run by the local ALP branch.