True value of second hand bullion

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Jislizard said:
hem9 said:
I hate to agree with RC but he does have a point. Why are aboriginals being paid for their land and not regular citizens who are part of Australia and technically also own the land? Not having a dig at Aboriginals but fair is fair.
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Well they get your rent money because you live in their land. And you get to live in their land. I am fairly sure that given the choice they would evict us but we still have more guns than them.
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ah okay i get it now ... the rest of us are second class citizens who only rent (and pay all the taxes) here :lol:

sounds like a really good deal to me - at least if you're aboriginal :D
 
Water&Food said:
If nobody questions (as the saying goes) German Taxpayers left the pension bill to compensate Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, why not also compensate the Aboriginal survivors and stolen generation (ONLY) for their grief, deprivation of liberty and displacement? Since many of the surviving Aboriginals never received a cent in compensation, why not at least forward the monies to descendants? Hell, the Israelis also received 'land' along with compensation, so it would be unfair to assume giving 'some' land back to Aboriginals would be suffice.
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Seems like the aboriginals are the only Australians then who truly own the\their land.
I know i dont own mine - even though i payed through my arse for it! This includes a disproportionately large proportion of fees, taxes and charges which went to various levels of the Australian gubbermint.
However, even after being raped by such huge taxes and charges for the privilege of purchasing "my land" it seems it still isn't my land because I have local and state governments taxing me for every day i occupy "my land" ...
If i dont pay up, then The Corporation err i mean government gets one of its kangaroo courts to strip me of my land.

I have to wonder whether the aboriginals also are required to pay the same kinds of taxes etc on their land?
I'm guessing not, since they actually OWN the land whereas i dont.

Interesting place we live in
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
Seems like the aboriginals are the only Australians then who truly own the\their land.
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I remember reading the Aboriginals are not the original indigenous people in Australia, neither the Maoris of New Zealand.
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I think indigenes are officially off topic!
Please watch youtube yippekiya

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFpOp8Ft0Q[/youtube]

Id like to give credit to silverfreak for his canadian maple sale at $33 a pop.
The premium princessess must be all holding hands in angst
 
That's a good question... Are Aborigines required to pay land tax (or the equivalent) on the native title?

How about the profits they make from that land? (e.g. Tourism, fishing, etc)
 
yennus said:
That's a good question... Are Aborigines required to pay land tax (or the equivalent) on the native title?

How about the profits they make from that land? (e.g. Tourism, fishing, etc)
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Come on mate ,lets not derail this thread :D
I'm still waiting on an explanation on SECOND HAND BULLION :lol:
Second hand slabbed Panda's :rolleyes:
 
I suspect stackers are a little smarter than some dealer thinks we are.

Subject has been rationally explained and I believe only you are continuing the pretence that premium on second hand bullion is a vague and iintangible concept to grasp.

Is this perhaps because you have an interest in overpriced premiums in second hand bullion?

If i was you I'd drop the subject, only children are impressed with smileys. lols, and animal photos in lieu of a rational argument.

You're welcome to reread the thread. Perhaps if you speak out loud as you read - the simple point I was raising might get through to you
But noone owes you an explanation champ.
Who are you to me?
 
Roman - I was thinking about what you've said here on this thread so far and i have to tell you this whole concept which you've created around second hand bullion is nonsensical.

Where i do think you have a point though is that Australia should be able to produce low(er) premium silver than it currently does on things like silver bullion bars and silver 1 ounce rounds. Are there any silver rounds produced in Australia??
 
When silver was at 48 I walked into ABC bullion and paid $54 for a second hand shabby looking Maple :lol: :lol: :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1tOHz2l0qE[/youtube]
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
Roman - I was thinking about what you've said here on this thread so far and i have to tell you this whole concept which you've created around second hand bullion is nonsensical.

Where i do think you have a point though is that Australia should be able to produce low(er) premium silver than it currently does on things like silver bullion bars and silver 1 ounce rounds. Are there any silver rounds produced in Australia??
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Well yippekiya I know I'm right, and I've explained why. I'm sure if you knew why you were right you could explain it.
You're more than welcome to make the attempt.
Several have and failed to make any sense whatsoever.

You may aswell join in the folly.

The only second hand premium I could possibly see having value is the certificate of authenticity. Other than that you're talking numismatics, which has nothing to do with bullion.

And geewiz that is a supply and demand issue you're talking about, and I think that has been clarified too.
 
RomanControl said:
I suspect stackers are a little smarter than some dealer thinks we are.

Subject has been rationally explained and I believe only you are continuing the pretence that premium on second hand bullion is a vague and iintangible concept to grasp.

Is this perhaps because you have an interest in overpriced premiums in second hand bullion?

If i was you I'd drop the subject, only children are impressed with smileys. lols, and animal photos in lieu of a rational argument.

You're welcome to reread the thread. Perhaps if you speak out loud as you read - the simple point I was raising might get through to you
But noone owes you an explanation champ.
Who are you to me?
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Come on RC. Thats a little harsh. Smileys are often an effort to mitigate against nasty responses from adults. lols preferable than howls of anger. And animal photos to some are soft porn ie naked animals. :)
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
Where i do think you have a point though is that Australia should be able to produce low(er) premium silver than it currently does on things like silver bullion bars and silver 1 ounce rounds. Are there any silver rounds produced in Australia??
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lucky luke said:
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
Where i do think you have a point though is that Australia should be able to produce low(er) premium silver than it currently does on things like silver bullion bars and silver 1 ounce rounds. Are there any silver rounds produced in Australia??
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Yes it can do. We mine the stuff here for gods sake.
So then you think one step down the line from dealers selling generic rounds and budget bullion and you have a secondhand market where you're buying at very little over spot.
This wont happen if we keep thinking you pay second hand for pretty much the same premium you paid the dealer.
When you put some bullion in your safe, you can't lock the faith of others in there too. I have to sell faith in supporting excessive premiums. I don't have to sell gold and silver, they sell themselves.
 
RomanControl said:
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
Roman - I was thinking about what you've said here on this thread so far and i have to tell you this whole concept which you've created around second hand bullion is nonsensical.

Where i do think you have a point though is that Australia should be able to produce low(er) premium silver than it currently does on things like silver bullion bars and silver 1 ounce rounds. Are there any silver rounds produced in Australia??
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Well yippekiya I know I'm right, and I've explained why. I'm sure if you knew why you were right you could explain it.
You're more than welcome to make the attempt.
Several have and failed to make any sense whatsoever.

You may aswell join in the folly.

The only second hand premium I could possibly see having value is the certificate of authenticity. Other than that you're talking numismatics, which has nothing to do with bullion.
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Just curious - do you think of silver/gold as money??

I certainly do, and if one thinks of silver as money then it has the same value - whether or not it's brand spanking new or whether it's been through a couple of hands ...

savvie??
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
RomanControl said:
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
Roman - I was thinking about what you've said here on this thread so far and i have to tell you this whole concept which you've created around second hand bullion is nonsensical.

Where i do think you have a point though is that Australia should be able to produce low(er) premium silver than it currently does on things like silver bullion bars and silver 1 ounce rounds. Are there any silver rounds produced in Australia??
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Well yippekiya I know I'm right, and I've explained why. I'm sure if you knew why you were right you could explain it.
You're more than welcome to make the attempt.
Several have and failed to make any sense whatsoever.

You may aswell join in the folly.

The only second hand premium I could possibly see having value is the certificate of authenticity. Other than that you're talking numismatics, which has nothing to do with bullion.
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Just curious - do you think of silver/gold as money??

I certainly do, and if one thinks of silver as money then it has the same value - whether or not it's brand spanking new or whether it's been through a couple of hands ...

savvie??
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Yes i have a natural instinct that tells me its money when I look at it.
I think you have confused the money itself with the premium paid for the manufacture of it.
In which case you have entirely missed the point of the thread.
And its a really simple one.

I have some beautifully designed 10 cent pieces here, that would have cost about $4 each to manufacture according to perth mint . I wont charge you $4.10 for them because theyre second hand. Just for you I'll only charge $4 a pop.
Its real money according to your reasoning, so you're getting a bargain.
 
Well if you go through this thread Fishball, you'll find that except for 2 men, the rest of the utterly confused are dealers.
Smart guys presumably, but utterly perpflexed by the concept that perhaps premium on non-numismatic bullion has little to no value to be passed on 2nd hand.

I must be 'retarded' if I don't agree with men who have a fiduciary interest in their opinions. Or in this case lack of comprehension.What other conclusion can be drawn?
 
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