The Rawdog is Getting Out of Silver!

[renovator]

wheres that from your blog ? I bet you edited it after you were wrong .
at the beginning of 2011 when i first joined you were championing massive drops in the market with auspm & the rest of the doomsday brigade . 2% to 4% nice editing lol . You cant fool me with your creative editing

I've always known you to be argumentative renovator, but you are displaying a disgusting amount of dishonesty in this thread.

First you put words into my mouth about property, when I ask you to provide an example you say you won't, then when I do provide an example you claim I edited it after I was wrong...

This site is called the way back machine, it's an internet archive which takes snapshots of sites as they were displayed at a particular point in time (so an edit to my post after the snapshot won't change how it appears on the archive). The site has an archive of my site on January 14th, 2011, less than two weeks after I wrote the predictions post and it reads exactly as I've posted here:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/.../gold-silver-stocks-property-predictions.html

Though no doubt you will have some other excuse, dishonest cover up or diversion up your sleeve, rather than accepting the reality that I have been bearish on Australian property, but have not called for a "massive drop" (your words not mine).

http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-949-views-on-first-home-purchases.html

Heres you talking of how you sold your house & how your writing an article on the crash or bubble . Hardly the words or actions of someone who thinks its going down a few percent in a few years .

You have been one of the most vocal about crashing & bubbles bursting both of those words bubble & crash implies a massive drop of much more than you have mentioned in this thread I will let everyone make of it what they will ..

You even tried to rig the getup vote about not buying houses if i remember correctly until you got busted & the getup thing was canned .

It took me 2 minutes to find that I cbf looking for anything else anyone thats been here long enough knows im right ... You have been pushing the doom & gloom of the housing market for years ...admit it you were wrong you even sold your house because of your fears . :lol:

 

[renovator]

Renovator's personal stack :lol:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/9556_renovator1.jpg

You would know since your renting one of them :lol:

http://d65852kwq1u8u.cloudfront.net/uploads/9556_renovator1.jpg
Source: my property portfolio

The top one is what i call Home these days. It's got a jacuzzi and by far the best view. You really feel like King Of The Pile at sunset.

you're always welcome, brother. I got a few spare rooms. Only you need to love dogs 'cause I got six.

That would be so cool we could spend hours chinwagin' about my latest money making scheme, like renting overpriced cardboard boxes to the next greater fool.

Or try to figure out when I can sell my stash, to buy it all back later 50 cents on the dollar. Mate, Stackers are such dweebs!

waddaya think?

I think i'm not charging you enough rent if you have enough money to buy pms :lol: .Lets chinwag about the increase coming next month :

 

[Nugget]

I think i'm not charging you enough rent if you have enough money to buy pms :lol: .Lets chinwag about the increase coming next month :

I just copped a 9% hike in rent.

My rent is equivalent of a Baby Boomers 15 year P&I mortgage

 

[renovator]

I think i'm not charging you enough rent if you have enough money to buy pms :lol: .Lets chinwag about the increase coming next month :

I just copped a 9% hike in rent.

My rent is equivalent of a Baby Boomers 15 year P&I mortgage

thats a bit rugged might be time to find another house

 

[valuecreator]

History is bullshit

Famous last words.

I suppose you think the GSR should be at 15:1 too? Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, it's funny how some technologies and natural resources get left behind. But don't let that get in the way of a good fantasy Henry. You keep waiting for your silver to have its day in the sun again.

Anyway, let's have a look at some of Rawdog's comments, now don't resort to terms such as "weak hand" to attack Rawdog's comments, try to use rational arguments, if you can't argue validly against any of his gripes, you should not be buying silver:

Here's the first one:

I don't think there is enough demand (for silver), to keep up with the massive increase in production we've had.

Tozak's had a go at refuting this claim

There is a rising floor in the metals and that is the mining costs. The mining costs keep rising each year so inevitably it must go up or as the mines go out of business we would have shortages.

Shortages yes if there was real demand. The Silver Institute's data on supply v demand from 2002 - 2011 shows demand has steadily increased by about 200 million ounces over 10 years, with industrial fabrication slightly declining for 4 of the 5 last years, the table also shows quite incredulously that all demand has been been met by available supply (or if you want to look at it another way) all supply has been met by demand. Now isn't that odd? No excess supply and no unmet demand. A perfectly balanced universe. Coincidence?

What has increased in demand? Coins and medals mainly over the past 3 years (of the table) and Implied Net Investment. <<<<< In other words, hedging against an uncertain future in the case of coins and medals, and short term money markets looking for alternatives since the collapse of traditional financial markets.

Neither are the products of confidence.

Edit to add @ valuecreator, it may very well be a hoax, I don't know Rawdog so I can't say, but the points he makes are valid whether we agree with them or not

any "argument" against silver, you can say the same x 10 about gold. So if I need to convince you about why gold/silver are a buy, maybe you are on the wrong forum? I thought we're all past this point...

I don't think any price or ratio should be anywhere. And I have no idea where its going this year or the next. I just have a guess.

But the market is telling me how it is and I just react. I surf the waves and sniff the wind.

And I have a deep certainty of how things will end up long term, because of history.

To me ALL AND EVERY argument this idiot blurted just show he doesn't have a clue of the nature of gold and silver as assets. And economics.

I don't know what to tell you, if you want to be convinced there's plenty of dudes of there (that want to sell you something) that are willing to do that.

sometimes you just have to do your own thinking and forget what other people are saying.

I'm willing to bet that was a stunt, though. You could see he had no emotional attachment to what he was saying and just reading a list of stuff people tell him. bad acting.

just wait next week.

I need to move on from this thread, this guy doesn't deserve that much attention.

 

[upandaway]

Amazing how much negativity and touchiness this thread has exposed over a slightly longer than expected consolidation period. Dread to think what we will see if it goes through $26 and/or revisits the break out. Admin will have a field day with the bans Rawdog exits (yawn). First post said it all.

Chill out gents FFS.

 

[SilverSale]

Not gloating on my part, simply correcting untrue statements.

As for the 'SilverSale selling in a parabolic move is not rocket science' argument.... incorrect again.

I sold in the week or so leading up to this event, when everyone was predicting a further bull move;

http://forums.silverstackers.com/message-210104.html

I'm sure you'll claim I am gloating again - untrue - simply correcting untrue statements.

 

[markcoinoz]

Ernster,

First time I have ever watched Rawdog.

Thankfully, it will be my last.

What a waste of 13 minutes.

Rawdog, is this your Father?

I see a resemblance.

Cheers markcoinoz

 

[mmm....shiney!]

Rawdog exits (yawn). First post said it all.

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First post said nothing and like yours, contributed nothing to the debate. Really, if you guys cannot come up with rational arguments against Rawdog, you have no idea.

And vc, your post was a waste of space, Ill respond to ot properly when I get home on a computer.

 

[Aureus]

Not gloating on my part, simply correcting untrue statements.

As for the 'SilverSale selling in a parabolic move is not rocket science' argument.... incorrect again.

I sold in the week or so leading up to this event, when everyone was predicting a further bull move;

http://forums.silverstackers.com/message-210104.html

I'm sure you'll claim I am gloating again - untrue - simply correcting untrue statements.

If by everyone you mean bulls and longterm stackers on a PMs forum then perhaps you're right.
Traders? none that I know were touching Silver in the 40s and were looking for it to take another dive.

At the end of the day I really don't care enough to argue with you, but you've set yourself up for a shitstorm when you make a bad trade publicly.

 

[SilverSale]

roman, you are the one sprouting the untrue statements - I'm just correcting your mis-information because obviously you had no idea what you were talking about.

I'm the first to admit I don't make 100% perfect trades - a good trader works on making more right than wrong.

I've made my point.

 

[Load of Bullion]

RawDag has quit silver so quit your fighting folks.

 

[Greenman]

Spare us the "Rawdog is getting back into silver" thread please. Not sure I can handle the excitement...

 

[purplefunkything]

Can someone enlighten me as to who this Rawdog dude is?
I Googled it and came up with: A Jewish holiday, some geeky dude with tattoos, a chick who's dog has started a raw food diet, and unprotected sex....none of which has gotten me closer to figuring out what the commotions about.

 

[Greenman]

Can someone enlighten me as to who this Rawdog dude is?
I Googled it and came up with: A Jewish holiday, some geeky dude with tattoos, a chick who's dog has started a raw food diet, and unprotected sex....none of which has gotten me closer to figuring out what the commotions about.

Please no!!! I can hear the replies already. Let's not go there!

 

[mmm....shiney!]

Can someone enlighten me as to who this Rawdog dude is?

Just some Youtube bloke, no one important.

 

[purplefunkything]

Can someone enlighten me as to who this Rawdog dude is?
I Googled it and came up with: A Jewish holiday, some geeky dude with tattoos, a chick who's dog has started a raw food diet, and unprotected sex....none of which has gotten me closer to figuring out what the commotions about.

Please no!!! I can hear the replies already. Let's not go there!

BWHAHAHAHA - might stop the bickering though

 

[mmm....shiney!]

Ok, trying to stay on topic in the midst of a "Penis off" from some.

any "argument" against silver, you can say the same x 10 about gold.

Not so, I view gold and silver as being vastly different. Silver is a speculative play whereas gold is money that is increasingly being hoarded by central banks around the world. The arguments against silver as a store of wealth, true money, hedge etc are not applicable to gold.

So if I need to convince you about why gold/silver are a buy, maybe you are on the wrong forum? I thought we're all past this point...

Very presumptuous of you vc, you assume I need you to teach me something about buying PM's and you presume to speak on behalf of forum members.

I don't think any price or ratio should be anywhere.

Oh but you do: http://forums.silverstackers.com/message-460788.html#p460788

And I have no idea where its going this year or the next. I just have a guess.
I surf the waves and sniff the wind.

And I have a deep certainty of how things will end up long term, because of history.

To me ALL AND EVERY argument this idiot blurted just show he doesn't have a clue of the nature of gold and silver as assets. And economics.

Yet you can't logically counter any point he raised.

I don't know what to tell you, if you want to be convinced there's plenty of dudes of there (that want to sell you something) that are willing to do that.

sometimes you just have to do your own thinking and forget what other people are saying.

I don't need to be convinced, I want to read some rational debate. And I thinbk I can think for myself, it's obvious though you don't like it when I think aloud.

So anyone want to counter his first point, "There is not enough demand for silver?" Haven't had any takers yet, just tripe, here's the post I'm referring to: http://forums.silverstackers.com/message-462196.html#p462196

Point 2:

For years, people have been telling you that there is going to be a mass entrance into gold and silver, but that's not what I'm seeing. It won't happen, not after the first debt downgrade in US history, Eurozone crisis, not after QE1, QE2, QE3, debt ceiling debate etc etc, it won't happen (I've paraphrased him and it really is related to his first point.)

Basically he's saying people are stupid, the system is manipulated and it will win and the majority of people won't and don't know any better, and most importantly THERE WILL BE NO MASS AWAKENING!!

It's a tough one to argue against because it's just crystal ball gazing, but so would any arguments against him. I don't necessarily agree because I believe that eventually through fear or force or poverty the general populace will waken, but whether they can rise up is another thing entirely. I'm struggling to find an economic argument against it.

 

[LovingtheSilver]

Who gives a fcuk about what Rawdog thinks anyway?

 

[southerncross]

Total silver fabrication demand stood at 876.6 Moz in 2011, down 1.5 percent but still reaching its second highest level since 2000. Last year, silver's use in industrial applications fell by 2.5 percent to 486.5 Moz. That said, industrial fabrication in the first three quarters of 2011 was particularly strong; however, the Eurozone crisis during the fourth quarter had a notable impact on industrial demand, resulting in the slight decline in the full year total. Even so, China posted a 5 percent gain in industrial fabrication led by robust household purchases, strong automobile demand and healthy infrastructure spending. Jewelry demand slipped to 159.8 Moz, the product of volatile prices and a weak global economic backdrop. Photography fell by 8 percent, posting the slowest percentage decline in six years, with the medical field deferring migration to digital systems due to a lack of funding. Finally, silverware demand fell to 46.0 Moz, due to the sluggish global economy and ongoing structural losses.

http://www.silverinstitute.org/site/supply-demand/silver-demand/

Supply
(Million ounces) 2010 2011
Bullion
Implied Net Disinvestment - -
Net Producer Hedging 50.4 10.7
Net Government Sales 44.2 11.5
Sub-total Bullion 94.6 22.2
Old Silver Scrap 228.7 256.7
Total 323.3 278.9