Stolen goods

your point is well taken
i have thought of that

3 things
who knew where i lived
who knew i would be away
who knew where to locate the goods without disturbing any other part of the house
 
A worst nightmare realized.

My advice for anyone with a significant amount of silver is to get yourself a gun safe and stack your silver inside of that.


Win win.
 
Claude,

Sorry to hear your loss and hope a good result eventuates.

Another scenario to consider is someone as part of scoping you has followed you home from your place of work/markets and done further surveillance to determine your patterns and habits in and out of home. This is a common modus operandi for coin/bullion thefts in the US.

Be careful and vigilant for a repeat break in. Video surveillance may be advisable.
 
prince_of_sales said:
A worst nightmare realized.

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THE FACT
Check the laws in Australia, Self-Defense is not a 'Genuine Reason' to obtain a Firearm License nor the Permit to Acquire, in fact even suggesting someone could or should do so is.... lets say not looked on favorable by the local firearms branch. Suggest people amend their comments to keep the thread clean.
 
I feel for you mate. Years ago the place we are renting got broken into, and the suspicion of if its an inside job tear down our relationship. Because we got rob within 45minutes of between our housemate left for work and I am coming home from work.

The insecurity that surrounding me at that time got me a bit depressed, and the only option for us was to break the lease and we all moved our separate way.

Hope this will be solved quickly and you can move on from the incident.
 
Jesus, Claude; so sorry for you.

Ladies / Gents; I bought my first ever silver from this guy and he always has time to teach about the game as well as sell the product. Awesome guy.

Ill keep an eye out mate, and I will know some of your stuff if I see it that is for sure. Flora (french chick) sends a hug ;(
 
iclav said:
your point is well taken
i have thought of that

3 things
who knew where i lived
who knew i would be away
who knew where to locate the goods without disturbing any other part of the house
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Sometimes putting yourself in the place of the thief/thieves can help in finding out more.
A plausible scenario goes like this:
You were recognized (flea market?) as a silver dealer. Maybe some other market seller saw someone hanging around without buying?
You were followed when you went home. Maybe some other market seller or buyer noticed the other car/whatever?
Your house was observed for a period to find out where you stored.
Then he/they waited for you to leave, and he/they broke in.
Locked inner doors draw attention, so that 'they knew were to go' may not be sure.
But in case sure, then he/they observed you .
That needs a place to watch your house from.
Maybe people in your vincinity noticed someone watching. Or a car they didn't see before. Ask around. The sooner the better because people may forget.
If you have relative unique coins, then you have unique keywords to search for regulary on the internet.
Usually thieves need direct money, so it's unlikely that they gonna keep your silver for X years.
So if they (or the one they sold to) offer the coins for sale somewhere on the web, and the place is frequented by searchengine bots, then you may one day get a hit.
If the recognition did happen in real life, and that market isn't visited from all over the land, then the thief or thieves are likely also living in your local area.
Are there any clues on whether there were one or more thieves?
2000 ounces weight 62 kilo, and if many individual packages, it's likely to have needed multiple drags to the thiefs car.
That may be signaled by amount dirt (if any).
This all may sound like police business, but you live there, and may recognize things that they not think about.

About how to avoid it, if it's your business or a financially important occupation, you should really have a safe.
Make it even hard for yourself to access it.
Disable the light switch of the room and use a hidden (even in other room) switch or no switch/light at all, in the end, you know what you have, you know where what is stored, for you, a hand lamp or no lamp at all suffices, but it doesnt for the thief.
Make the room not drawing attention (ie don't lock the door).
Put enough and normal/expectable other stuff in the room.
Give the room an obvious function, even if you don't use it in that or any function. Sleeping/storage/study/hobby/whatever.
Don't put just a few items in it, but fill the entire room, so that there is barely empty place left.
This all doesn't make it impossible, but it makes it harder, they may not find it, they may need more time that is not available, their searching / messing around may cause them to leave some trails, and so on.

If above blabla may help in any way, I could also be captain Obvious here, but it happens enough that he IS missed.
 
thanks for all that

many have suggested that i could have been followed home from the market

I do not trade as a bullion dealer mostly as a coin trader,( i primarily stack )
so as not to give the impression i deal in large quantities.

Without going into details about the layout of my house. The area broken into cannot be seen from the street.
No,they knew exactly where to go,not by observation but by information given, that's my gut feeling
We at home are very cluey to the cars on our street at all times

to lift 70 kg possibly 2 men with a third in a car nearby
unfortunately, done at night, no witnesses.

This morning i have talked to 2 coin dealers on the northside who have had similar experiences.
worrking on that information

cheers



Yes many lessons to learn from this
 
tozak said:
prince_of_sales said:
A worst nightmare realized.

rest of quote omitted
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THE FACT
Check the laws in Australia, Self-Defense is not a 'Genuine Reason' to obtain a Firearm License nor the Permit to Acquire, in fact even suggesting someone could or should do so is.... lets say not looked on favorable by the local firearms branch. Suggest people amend their comments to keep the thread clean.
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Thank you. Suggesting acquiring a firearm for personal or property protection in Australia is *exactly* the sort of post that will lead to a "more information on this poster please" request from authorities.
 
If it helps, I do have access to a highly-recommended Brisbane-based PI.

I would suggest the following:

Pin down a rough timeframe in which the robbery was carried out. (even if its 2-8am or whatever)

Check ALL local businesses and speak to the proprietors privately about obtaining their CCTV.

Worth contact Brisbane City Council or requesting the police check traffic camera's on the route locally.

Also worth door-to-dooring with a reward for information resulting in an arrest. Never underestimate the power of the personal touch.

Might be worth speaking to any refiners or jewellers who refine their own metals locally, that can be another place to dump stolen metals, and will likely be overlooked by the boys in blue.

Please bear in mind that the longer you leave it, the less chance you have of getting that all-important info.


Hope that gives you some food for thought - as I said if I can be of any help, please don't hesitate to be in touch...

Cheers,

RD
 
goldpelican said:
tozak said:
prince_of_sales said:
A worst nightmare realized.

rest of quote omitted
Click to expand...

THE FACT
Check the laws in Australia, Self-Defense is not a 'Genuine Reason' to obtain a Firearm License nor the Permit to Acquire, in fact even suggesting someone could or should do so is.... lets say not looked on favorable by the local firearms branch. Suggest people amend their comments to keep the thread clean.
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Thank you. Suggesting acquiring a firearm for personal or property protection in Australia is *exactly* the sort of post that will lead to a "more information on this poster please" request from authorities.
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Sorry to hear about the above break in.

And this is going off the track just a wee bit but , if it's possible for the FED gubberment to ask for our private information due to online forum conversation for security exercises, can we ask you GP to send a PM to that particular person which the information was required. Shouldn't that person be sent the same information via PM at the exact same time? maybe this is the way it's already working? See, that way, at least if that person is innocent they can at least be aware that their privacy has been invaded.... or that they are a the least being investigated under the suspicion of an alleged illegal activity. See, if we are not breaking any laws shouldn't we also be aware that someone is looking over our shoulders covertly via a 3rd party? Just a question GP and nothing aimed at you, I know your simply toeing the line :/ :)
 
Yeah i was thing of PI

if the police do not get anywhere

alas there are no CCTV's any where nearby..suburbia
unless i can access satelite technology for that time frame.

Have already notified all coin dealers on eastern seaboard
all ANDA members
all local dealers who advertise buying bullion
including the one who does the full page ADs in the Courier MAil
a few ebayer traders
we are also watching EBAY for clues

what is in my favour, is the Christmas break
if they need the cash fast there are now going to be very few places to off load it in SE QLD
All coin shops are closed over Christmas

Also i figure these are the type of blokes who use false ID or NO ID

Here's a thought, get caught speeding RBT whatever "what's in the car laddies ??" wishful thinking
They WILL get caught
 
hi, sorry to hear about the break in
watch the gumtree too and any other similar websites; they might not sell it all at once but in chunks but they will probably be selling for lower prices to cash it in. So pretty much watch out for too good to be true deals even if they are swap deals
 
tozak said:
prince_of_sales said:
A worst nightmare realized.

rest of quote omitted
Click to expand...

THE FACT
Check the laws in Australia, Self-Defense is not a 'Genuine Reason' to obtain a Firearm License nor the Permit to Acquire, in fact even suggesting someone could or should do so is.... lets say not looked on favorable by the local firearms branch. Suggest people amend their comments to keep the thread clean.
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Just two points of fact concerning current laws.

1. There have been numerous cases where courts have upheld the right to self defense using items in question, even though it's not a genuine reason to obtain or hold.
2. There are no specific laws preventing self defense using items in question.
 
willrocks said:
tozak said:
prince_of_sales said:
A worst nightmare realized.

rest of quote omitted
Click to expand...

THE FACT
Check the laws in Australia, Self-Defense is not a 'Genuine Reason' to obtain a Firearm License nor the Permit to Acquire, in fact even suggesting someone could or should do so is.... lets say not looked on favorable by the local firearms branch. Suggest people amend their comments to keep the thread clean.
Click to expand...

Just two points of fact concerning current laws.

1. There have been numerous cases where courts have upheld the right to self defense using items in question, even though it's not a genuine reason to obtain or hold.
2. There are no specific laws preventing self defense using items in question.
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This thread is intended to assist a person who has been robbed recover his goods.

Derailing it into an argument about self-defense options serves no useful purpose. :|
 
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