SBSS series suspended.
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Well I guess I can't complain about quality. I finally received my order of two freedom girls and two slave queens and they look great. Was able to meet the deadline so I scored a copper D&D to boot.
Would post pics but sure everyone is tired of them by now. :lol:
Would post pics but sure everyone is tired of them by now. :lol:
mrpigbenis
New Member
I have 1 Debt&Death, 1 Trivium, 2 Slave Queens, and 1 Freedom Girl. The time from when my order was placed to when I received the rounds was very long. These were all sent through 3 seperate transactions.
The length of time to receive the rounds is unacceptable but I knew that when I placed the orders so I was ok with it.
The quality was actually very nice for all the rounds except the Debt&Death. Even that one wasn't terrible just not as nice as the others and a bit amateur looking.
I will continue to buy these rounds. They are different from the typical rounds out there. I like the subject matter and for that I can wait a few weeks.
Thats my opinion
The length of time to receive the rounds is unacceptable but I knew that when I placed the orders so I was ok with it.
The quality was actually very nice for all the rounds except the Debt&Death. Even that one wasn't terrible just not as nice as the others and a bit amateur looking.
I will continue to buy these rounds. They are different from the typical rounds out there. I like the subject matter and for that I can wait a few weeks.
Thats my opinion
dross said:
I (not the Perth Mint) put my nose in this issue because I took a lot of heat (http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-16585-perth-mint-10oz-and-1kg-bars-not-available-page-4.html) a while ago and a lot of it was about how easy it should be to make coins and ramp up production and how it was all Govt incompetence etc etc. Where are all those people with SBSS? Maybe making coins isn't as easy as they thought. I will bookmark this post for the next time we get criticised for not supplying the entire world with coins and point to SBSS as an example of how private enterprise can have the same problems.
dross
Active Member
bron suchecki said:
I'm sure you felt somewhat vindicated in light of the attached link, however in your duel role (Mint staff / forum member) you might have paused for a moment & thought better of stirring the pot or lifting your beloved mint up by highlighting the failing of another when we are all now well aware of it, speaks volumes in & of itself. Keeping that sense of satisfaction to yourself would have been a wiser strategy IMHO.
Reading your links regardless of your "Disclosure: I work for the Perth Mint. What I say is done in a personal capacity and is not endorsed by the Mint." Especially the post "Lots of comments, easiest way I think is to group them by topic" which is full of information that could for all intense purposes be seen by any reasonable & rational person as answering for the Mint by a Mint employee. If you continue to travel the path of blurred lines or you feel it appropriate to have 1 leg either side of the fence expect people to tar you with which ever brush seems the most appropriate at the time.
It was however interesting how the general overtone that we have come to know & love from the mint was ever present in your "personal response". You might spend your energy better working on how & why the mints attitude is the root cause of what most of the complaints arise from, not their quality, apples with apples mate.
renovator said:
Why? The situations facing both are the same, unforecastable demand in excess of production capacity. The only difference the scale of their demand and production capacity is less than the Perth Mint. The expectation in the 2011 post I linked to was it was easy to ramp up production and easy to forecast demand. SBSS' experience is just another example that this is not the case.
You dont think a hundred years of experience makes any difference ?
Thats a bit like saying cadbury chocolates cant make an upgrade any faster & more efficient than aunty madge making easter eggs in her home kitchen .
When you know how to do something on a large scale already you have a far better idea on how to do it than someone who has never been in that situation
Thats a bit like saying cadbury chocolates cant make an upgrade any faster & more efficient than aunty madge making easter eggs in her home kitchen .
When you know how to do something on a large scale already you have a far better idea on how to do it than someone who has never been in that situation
dross said:
Yes, in that is shows SBSS faces the same problems of demand vs production capacity.
dross said:
I was not lifting up the Mint or putting down SBSS, that is your reading into my words. All I said was that private enterprise can have the same problems. I did not criticise them, call them incompetent.
dross said:
Yes, no problem with being tarred with which ever brush, but my comment to you was clarify in which capacity I was commenting and that as a result your use of "sticking their nose" was not appropriate because I was not speaking officially (which is what "their" implies) and just on the production issues and giving you context with the link to the 2011 post as to where I was coming from.
dross said:
What tone was that exactly. I think you've read that in to my "making coins isn't as easy as they thought" post when as I explained above there was no putting down or lifting up meant by it.
dross said:
I'm not the CEO so I can't "work on" the Mint's attitude, by which I assume you specifically mean our coin selling marketing people and the factory. I certainly advocate for a non-bureaucratic and customer focused approach internally but I can't tell other managers what to do, which I'd very much like to as I'm the one often dealing with the results on this and other forums.
renovator said:
Experience is not really a hundred years as the people running the Mint then are dead and process and machines have all changed. Organisational "experience" is really just the working lifetime of senior people, of which yes we have some years under the belt.
You Aunty example misses the point that Aunty has a level of demand appropriate to her production method. SBSS' demand increase was not up to levels we are operating at, just a multiple enough above what their scale of production can't handle. All the critiques thrown at the Mint in 2011 apply to SBSS - just stamp more out, should have been able to forecast the demand etc.
I think perhaps SBSS have a of cultural element in their favour which overshadows normal critiques. I think it would have been extremely difficult to gauge the demand for their products.
Having the ability to ramp up production without substantial loss in quality is probably Perth Mints forte.
The two mints are chalk and cheese, but I daresay SBSS have less to lose.
I think we should all respect each others opinions.
People buy Silver for a mulitude of reasons and the key focus area should be simply that, PEOPLE BUY SILVER!
Having the ability to ramp up production without substantial loss in quality is probably Perth Mints forte.
The two mints are chalk and cheese, but I daresay SBSS have less to lose.
I think we should all respect each others opinions.
People buy Silver for a mulitude of reasons and the key focus area should be simply that, PEOPLE BUY SILVER!
dross
Active Member
bron suchecki said:
If you're representing yourself only on multiple forums it's not your place to deal with the "results", simply direct people to the appropriate staff at the mint whose job it is. This would avoid being placed in an awkward position in the first place & or any confusion (of your own making) as to where your coming from.
bron suchecki said:
Hang on a minute how can you compare the Perth Mint to the SBSS when your mintage limits are set, and you have years of historical sales data, as well as dealer pre order information on which to base your production forcasts.
You know how many you are going to need to produce years in advance thanks to your own advertised mintage limits.
Its not a surprise, you set the limits based on the perception that that limit will be reached.
Maybe comparing the Perth Mint to a first time producer speaks more about the Perth Mints perception of itself than you ment to let on.
You need to read the thread I linked to. The issue was primarily with bars and coins without mintages.
Not everything at the mint has limits - 1oz Koalas for example:
2010: 233,531
2011: 910,480
2012: 388,046
2013 YTD: 130,632 (and it will reach 500,000+ at current rate)
Those are huge variations of up to 21 TONNES of a single product year to year.
2010: 233,531
2011: 910,480
2012: 388,046
2013 YTD: 130,632 (and it will reach 500,000+ at current rate)
Those are huge variations of up to 21 TONNES of a single product year to year.
iceblue
Well-Known Member
Back on topic, sales remain suspended they are quoting up to 3 weeks total.
Same RHETORIC trying to catch up, in the same breath as they tell us they are closed to meet demand, he goes on to say, we have another 4 coin designs ready to go. Do people really give a toss at this stage?
If the same effort thats put into designs was put into quality we may have a decent round.
Same RHETORIC trying to catch up, in the same breath as they tell us they are closed to meet demand, he goes on to say, we have another 4 coin designs ready to go. Do people really give a toss at this stage?
If the same effort thats put into designs was put into quality we may have a decent round.
iceblue said:
I kind of care
I want to complete my set, although I do think that they were releasing the designs too quickly