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[lucky luke]

edited: repeat post.

 

[silvertongue]

The only ways I could currently avoid the medicare levy is:

1. Reduce my income.
2. Put all my assets into buying a house, then become a Centerlink recipient.
3. Have a lot more kids.
4. Stop paying taxes and get hunted down like a criminal.

5. Pay for private health cover..

Now you're just being silly.

Actually quite serious, as I say, that is the choice you have, but you don't consider it a valid point, so be it...

 

[lucky luke]

I would respectfully ask anyone who is disagreeing with me - have they experienced the overseas services you are commenting on? ....................

malachii

With regards my comments agreeing/disagreeing with you, they are based on first hand experience living overseas. You included comments about Europe (not only Asia) and you would appear IMHO to have a grandiose view of Australian services/quality comparitively.

 

[bordsilver]

5. Pay for private health cover..

Now you're just being silly.

Actually quite serious, as I say, that is the choice you have, but you don't consider it a valid point, so be it...

I think you're mixing up the Medicare Levy Surcharge and the Medicare Levy.

 

[capt.sparrow]

Personally I would rather have a choice between paying ALL my own medical expenses, or being forced to pay into a system that I receive almost no benefit from.

Well... of course that IS the choice you have....

Incorrect.

You are forced to pay into the "system" through our taxation system in any event.

Choice is something we don't have and most of us clearly have no clue even what it means.

 

[capt.sparrow]

Well... of course that IS the choice you have....

The only ways I could currently avoid the medicare levy is:

1. Reduce my income.
2. Put all my assets into buying a house, then become a Centerlink recipient.
3. Have a lot more kids.
4. Stop paying taxes and get hunted down like a criminal.

5. Pay for private health cover..

Incorrect.

Option 5 only allows one to be spared of the "punishment extra Medicare Levy" - it does NOT get you off the Medicare Levy.
Have you never been to a tax consultant before?
Have you ever even payed tax? I would have thought this would be general knowledge

 

[willrocks]

I would respectfully ask anyone who is disagreeing with me - have they experienced the overseas services you are commenting on? Would you trust your child's life with them?

Yes I have. In Asia. I trust them no less than Australian medical staff. Like anything you get what you pay for.

Here's an example of how medicare works in Australia. A relative of my wife had to have eye surgery, under medicare the operation would have been performed by a student doctor (being supervised by an experienced doctor). He chose to pay for himself, and get the most experienced eye surgeon ($10,000). Would you blindly (pardon the pun) trust the medicare system and student doctor with your eyesight?

 

[willrocks]

Now you're just being silly.

Actually quite serious, as I say, that is the choice you have, but you don't consider it a valid point, so be it...

I think you're mixing up the Medicare Levy Surcharge and the Medicare Levy.

Sorry, my mistake. Levy or surcharge, they're both eloquent ways to say TAX. The end result is the same.

 

[bordsilver]

Actually quite serious, as I say, that is the choice you have, but you don't consider it a valid point, so be it...

I think you're mixing up the Medicare Levy Surcharge and the Medicare Levy.

Sorry, my mistake. Levy or surcharge, they're both eloquent ways to say TAX. The end result is the same.

I meant silvertongue was mixing up the avoidance of the surcharge by taking out private health insurance from the fact that you still pay the levy.

 

[capt.sparrow]

Actually quite serious, as I say, that is the choice you have, but you don't consider it a valid point, so be it...

I think you're mixing up the Medicare Levy Surcharge and the Medicare Levy.

Sorry, my mistake. Levy or surcharge, they're both eloquent ways to say TAX. The end result is the same.

Silvertongue has no idea of the difference between the Medicare Levy and the Medicare Surcharge.

The Medicare Levy is paid irrespective of whether you have private healthcare or not.
the Medicare Surcharge is the extra tax they slug you with if you dont have private healthcare.

Either way you are slugged with the Medicare Levy - just a name for an extra tax.

Silvertongue will have learned something today. I'm guessing he is one of the beneficiaries of Medicare as opposed to one of those who simply pay for it.

 

[silvertongue]

Personally I would rather have a choice between paying ALL my own medical expenses, or being forced to pay into a system that I receive almost no benefit from.

Well... of course that IS the choice you have....

Incorrect.

You are forced to pay into the "system" through our taxation system in any event.

Choice is something we don't have and most of us clearly have no clue even what it means.

Admittedly there's a distinction between choice and options, either free or otherwise.. In many areas I agree we have limited, or sometimes no, options. You could choose to avoid taxes - there would be consequences of course, but the choice is still there... To me "forced" is when one's own will ceases to be factor. I can see many here may disagree, but I still believe we live in a country where we give up our own will too easily, because yes, it is hard to exercise it legally sometimes. But I can't agree that it's been taken from us altogether. Australia isn't THAT oppressed, surely.

 

[Yippe-Ki-Ya]

Income tax is a small price to pay to live in Australia. We live in a great country with some of the best health/protective/rescue/transport/welfare services in the world and mostly it is fully funded. Sure - I'm not saying the government couldn't do it better, but when I look around other countries - I'm happy to pay my share of the tax burden and put up with the odd government screw up.

Anyone who doubts this - try out the US healthcare system, ANY European government service and pretty much any service in Asia (yes there are exceptions Singapore being one). I know when I was flying internationally for an airline - if we became ill no matter how serious - there were very few countries that we would get medical help. We would drag ourselves back onto the plane and fly home - cos there was no way in hell we were going to the hospitals anywhere else!

malachii

I've never seen a forum so filled with big-government lovers in my life.
If these people are representative of the broader population then we're well and truly f..d!

 

[hussman]

You could choose to avoid taxes - there would be consequences of course, but the choice is still there... To me "forced" is when one's own will ceases to be factor.

Does a bull have a choice when its walking through a one way cage and the doors to the slaughter house are opened and it willingly walks in.

 

[malachii]

I've never seen a forum so filled with big-government lovers in my life.
If these people are representative of the broader population then we're well and truly f..d!

Wow - one person says they think things in Australia are good and all of a sudden the forum is taken over by big Governemnt lovers! Hadn't realised I had such an influence.

malachii

 

[silvertongue]

I'm guessing he is one of the beneficiaries of Medicare as opposed to one of those who simply pay for it.

Ah, well no, but way to jump to a conclusion!

 

[capt.sparrow]

I've never seen a forum so filled with big-government lovers in my life.
If these people are representative of the broader population then we're well and truly f..d!

Calm down mate. Remember from whence we've come... a British penal colony and we all know the British have a long tradition of big government and undermining personal liberties.
The public school system has done a fabulous job of churning out zombies to help feed off of - and prop up the huge state machine.

 

[Jislizard]

..and we all know the British have a long tradition of big government and undermining personal liberties...

Which is fine when that big government is ruling half the planet and the personal liberties which are being undermined are those of the foreigners who have been subjugated.

But it is a bit rich to have such big government when you only need to look after a country the size of a postage stamp and the personal liberties being undermined are mine!

 

[alor]

its your house burned down or the government offices up in smoke and to the ground. :lol:

man vs. state

the FED is buying up all the homes, so prices must be to the moon, the people's pockets full of holes :lol:

no more than 10% equal tax, why should rich person be paying in proportion more than 10%? its a no no.

 

[radiobirdman]

The public school system has done a fabulous job of churning out zombies to help feed off of - and prop up the huge state machine.

Plenty of private school zombie elites out there sucking on the public teat as well . most people that I know that attended private schools turned out to be spoiled little drug f*cked idiots ,mummy and daddy allways ready to bail them out .

 

[mmm....shiney!]

I would respectfully ask anyone who is disagreeing with me - have they experienced the overseas services you are commenting on?

Woman I know had a boob job done in Asia, looked pretty good to me. Not allowed to touch though so can't be 100% sure of the results.