betterinvestmentthanshare
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Thirdly
Exit strategies are equally as important as wealth building strategies
Exit strategies are equally as important as wealth building strategies
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betterinvestmentthanshare
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Finally
Enjoy the ride
Enjoy the ride
Teh silvers
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You are so smart yet can't answer my question. I see people asking 80%+ above spot in sales threads that seems like they don't "learn the game before they play" and end up as bag holders and don't understand basic economics.
betterinvestmentthanshare
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Never thought of myself as being smart, all I did was read information that everyone has access to.
I however, I did answer your question, you’re worried about paying more tax and gave you solutions that work legally.
I guess not everyone enjoys that sort of thing.
Hope you find the answer you’re looking for
betterinvestmentthanshare
Well-Known Member
I’ll ask you a question, whats the basic economics that I don’t understand that you’re referring to?
Always happy to learn
Teh silvers
Active Member
You did not. I asked specifically about the proposed upcoming 50% to 25% CGT rule.
You answered by telling me ssomething that is unrelated to my question.
betterinvestmentthanshare
Well-Known Member
I jumped to the conclusion that you were worried about it because you asked about it.
If the government lowers the cgt then that means you’d have to pay more tax, yes?
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betterinvestmentthanshare
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Left holding the bag can also mean
You are left with a tax liability
I’m guessing you haven’t heard that term used this way.
Australian house price manipulation...
Well I never...
AFAIK its all just talk at the moment, nothing certain...
Sentament gathering... ideas formulation.
To be honest its a market crash exercise.
Blunt, like a hammer.
Heres an option....
increasing deposit requirements for investor purchaces by CPI%.
And easing that in until the rate hits 50%.
That will tie the housing market to the inflation rate in a meaningfull way.
over the first few years, the investor capital locked into the actual market they are in becomes "less leveraged" where the CGT on future sales is from funds in the system, not appreciation speculation, and will be drasticly more impactfull as CPI and inflation increases.
i.e... inflation, causes higher commitment to maintain capital against assets.
IMO.
Well I never...
AFAIK its all just talk at the moment, nothing certain...
Sentament gathering... ideas formulation.
To be honest its a market crash exercise.
Blunt, like a hammer.
Heres an option....
increasing deposit requirements for investor purchaces by CPI%.
And easing that in until the rate hits 50%.
That will tie the housing market to the inflation rate in a meaningfull way.
over the first few years, the investor capital locked into the actual market they are in becomes "less leveraged" where the CGT on future sales is from funds in the system, not appreciation speculation, and will be drasticly more impactfull as CPI and inflation increases.
i.e... inflation, causes higher commitment to maintain capital against assets.
IMO.
betterinvestmentthanshare
Well-Known Member
25% CGT doesn’t really affect the property investor building wealth, they never sell, each property is used as leverage for the next.
I’m guessing they are targeting boomers on their last legs. A little something extra on top of existing cgt and death tax.
And for mum and dad flippers
I’m guessing they are targeting boomers on their last legs. A little something extra on top of existing cgt and death tax.
And for mum and dad flippers
Correct. If they sell they wound pay more tax. True.
But as you mentioned, big investors run offsets on interest paid on their loans, and scale the holdings relative to capital underpinning the housing stock they hold for the rent and benefits.
The market exposure then, is more about the leverage, so long as that doesnt change, the market wont cease up.
They'd just lock in profits by doing a flip before the rules take effect.
CGT rule changes seek to profit (in additional tax) by threatening the market with a volitile drop, impacting investors who dont have the deep pockets and bank favors/credit. And the ones with those pockets will buy that dip right up.
And then the next price boom begins..
That solution wont solve shit.
Except if/when they expand scope to cover all assets.
Then its implemented with talk on realestate as a focus/cover, for promoti9n... and us PM investors gotta switch from bullion to collectables.
And start a fashion trend in incrediably expensive jewellery.
As shiny has mentioned also.
Gov doesn't spend from savings...
So the need for tax like its something were missing out impacting our budget for things is...
Kind of like, propiganda.
But as you mentioned, big investors run offsets on interest paid on their loans, and scale the holdings relative to capital underpinning the housing stock they hold for the rent and benefits.
The market exposure then, is more about the leverage, so long as that doesnt change, the market wont cease up.
They'd just lock in profits by doing a flip before the rules take effect.
CGT rule changes seek to profit (in additional tax) by threatening the market with a volitile drop, impacting investors who dont have the deep pockets and bank favors/credit. And the ones with those pockets will buy that dip right up.
And then the next price boom begins..
That solution wont solve shit.
Except if/when they expand scope to cover all assets.
Then its implemented with talk on realestate as a focus/cover, for promoti9n... and us PM investors gotta switch from bullion to collectables.
And start a fashion trend in incrediably expensive jewellery.
As shiny has mentioned also.
Gov doesn't spend from savings...
So the need for tax like its something were missing out impacting our budget for things is...
Kind of like, propiganda.
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betterinvestmentthanshare
Well-Known Member
Not so sure, maybe a distraction for what’s really coming…….more rate hikes more inflation. As long as they look like they’re doing something without reality doing anything
Either way, we just have to adjust to the game
Inflation is our friend
Either way, we just have to adjust to the game
Inflation is our friend
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I'm really liking this sideways trend now in the AUD $110.00 to $120.00 / USD $80.00 region. Hopefully a new floor and price paradigm forming.
I just feel that a short break through 78 to ~75 is on the cards.
Reversing between the Dec 30 high and the Jan 8th low.
Theres a gap up on Feb 6th, I feel is a large paper long thats completely manipulated, unlikely a delivery, pure profit play to dump later, and will be sold causing a downward plunge probibly in a period of low volume. Mabie during the chinese new year.
For the price to edge down slowly before some consolidation there for bit might be a nicer spot to park a low. something like $76.8.
The less profit they make off that, the less they can short at the same time.
Clear floors are parking points for stop losses, and are targets for manipulated push throughs,
the wider the range of the stops i feel is better as theirs less of a single point to target with no support underneight.
A big drop from a new high, going throught that Feb 6th gap would confirm for me that gap ups are just managed price action until they are ultimately taken out.
Jan 18 and Jan 23 being the other ones easy to spot on the chart... i dont trust that kind of price action unless im seeing huge volumes backing it.
Reversing between the Dec 30 high and the Jan 8th low.
Theres a gap up on Feb 6th, I feel is a large paper long thats completely manipulated, unlikely a delivery, pure profit play to dump later, and will be sold causing a downward plunge probibly in a period of low volume. Mabie during the chinese new year.
For the price to edge down slowly before some consolidation there for bit might be a nicer spot to park a low. something like $76.8.
The less profit they make off that, the less they can short at the same time.
Clear floors are parking points for stop losses, and are targets for manipulated push throughs,
the wider the range of the stops i feel is better as theirs less of a single point to target with no support underneight.
A big drop from a new high, going throught that Feb 6th gap would confirm for me that gap ups are just managed price action until they are ultimately taken out.
Jan 18 and Jan 23 being the other ones easy to spot on the chart... i dont trust that kind of price action unless im seeing huge volumes backing it.
What is your suspicion for the coming year. Can the comex continue to keep their finger in the dyke ?
Long story short.
Comex wont run out, it's a marketplace.
It's purpose is to facilitate secure and verified trade, not as a "store ot value" vault for long term holdings on behalf of clients...
It has margins to cover the "positions" of those with, and needing metal. And itneeds stock to perform the trading volume through its pipes.
Margins, and restrictions on deliveries can lock down to maintain operation if stock/flow hits very low levels.
So they will be plugging holes and managing business...
Its just: at what point do interventions that prevent your legitimacy as a trader to recieve delivery, vs an "approved" recipiant, kick in?
Then the value transfers from competitive pricing, to being verified / in bed with the right business / gov project, to be "eligable" to recieve it.
China can still export via particular pathways which can tighten too.
Comex wont run out, it's a marketplace.
It's purpose is to facilitate secure and verified trade, not as a "store ot value" vault for long term holdings on behalf of clients...
It has margins to cover the "positions" of those with, and needing metal. And itneeds stock to perform the trading volume through its pipes.
Margins, and restrictions on deliveries can lock down to maintain operation if stock/flow hits very low levels.
So they will be plugging holes and managing business...
Its just: at what point do interventions that prevent your legitimacy as a trader to recieve delivery, vs an "approved" recipiant, kick in?
Then the value transfers from competitive pricing, to being verified / in bed with the right business / gov project, to be "eligable" to recieve it.
China can still export via particular pathways which can tighten too.
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pmbug
Well-Known Member
Counterpoint:
Silver Demand Drivers (and vault totals)
The manipulations to the paper silver market should be coming to an end shortly. CME margin raise yesterday didn't make a dent in the EFP spreads yesterday. Maybe they take effect Monday - we'll see. The short interest manipulations in China on the SFE were flagged and halted by the exchange...