If you found someone else's stash........

long88 said:
so if you found $100 on safeway/coles floor, what do you do with it ?
Saw somebody drop a wad of cash in the middle of the city in front of me & about 10 other people
everybody else just gauked & were confused :rolleyes:
I picked up the wad of cash (about $500 ) & ran up to the bloke & handed it to him :D
I dropped a wad of cash in front of the Palace in St.kilda getting out of a cab
The girl on the front desk noticed it & picked it up
She came inside asking if anybody had dropped their cash :o
Got it all back :D
 
long88 said:
so in saying that, 1s, 5s, or 20s, doesnt matter what is the quantity... you will still keep it ?

this is at the floors in safeway/coles, which is clearly belong to someone and have fallen off from their pocket/bag. but they didnt know about it. and probably didnt come back looking for it.

Yup I don't know, twisted moral compass. If it is loose cash in smaller amount and If I have no idea who it came from(in a bush on the side of the road) I would keep it. If it is a handbag worth $20 I would return it. Money in personal property I would return it for example a money clip. If I saw a $1000 dollar vase at a thrift store for $5 I would buy it. If I found $1000 cash in a thrift store I would report it. Its all situational to me and I'm not saying its right and may not make much sense. Oh well. For somereason keeping found money doesn't seem like a big deal in small amounts. $5 does belong to someone but the chances and hastle of it getting back to them are too much and it would not hurt them financially.$100 would suck bad to lose but would teach you to pay attention to how you keep your money. $10,000 or a stack of silver could be detrimental to someone if they lost it(not sure how you pull that off though).

It goes all the way down to if you would report and return a quarter you found at safeway/coles...clearly belonged to someone at somepoint
 
lshallperish said:
Jislizard said:
Maybe it is just the younger generation who feel more entitled to help themselves to other people's property. After all, they have free food and lodgings at home, free education, and if they can't get a job they get free housing and free money from the government.

You can't blame them for thinking that anything they want belongs to them, it is what we have taught them.

I would do what most people would do, remove the contents for safe keeping and leave contact details. If no one ever gets in touch with me then I would assume that they have passed away or forgotten about it. If they do get in touch they will have learned a valuable lesson.


LOL!!! As usual the baby boomer's blaming us Gen Y's... listen the reason we have to live like this is because of your generation.. I have a job and you know what I will never be able to afford to buy a house.. Your generation went to work in factory's and in 4-5 years bought a house out right or with a home loan. How about you come and try my shoes on see where it gets you.. a degree means nothing.. its now just a peice of paper.. you want to be a cleaner? you need a certificate and 2-4 years experience.. <<< that is just is an example of how bad things are thanks to you guys.


When you were 20 years of age how many places could you of went and got a job? a dozen? 2 dozen? with no experience no degree no nothing you could of got a job and in 2-3 years could of made off 50% of a house.

Now for the stash.. If you ever find a stash go give it to the government you white knight im sure they will return it to the owner and not say "OHH ITS GOVERNMENT PROPERTY" lol

Yawn. Poor me. So hard done by.
 
Few years back, I found opposite a hardware store car park a wallet with $1250 dollars in it. Yes, full set of ID cards were as well. Once reading the address on the Drivers Lic., I realized it was closed to my place, so I did my shopping at the hardware store( as I was renovating and did not bother to clean myself properly). Once at the house doorstep, the owner opened the door and I explained the situation, he took the wallet and the first thing he did was to count the money and check the credit cards, plus the look he gave me. the bastard, like I was a thief or waiting for a reward, not even a THANK YOU!, I guess he was in shock, and I was upset for the way he looked at me, a humble working guy!! :rolleyes: Anyway, I got home, explained the Boss-the wife- and she gave a kiss.;) THE END :P
 
plata said:
Few years back, I found opposite a hardware store car park a wallet with $1250 dollars in it. Yes, full set of ID cards were as well. Once reading the address on the Drivers Lic., I realized it was closed to my place, so I did my shopping at the hardware store( as I was renovating and did not bother to clean myself properly). Once at the house doorstep, the owner opened the door and I explained the situation, he took the wallet and the first thing he did was to count the money and check the credit cards, plus the look he gave me. the bastard, like I was a thief or waiting for a reward, not even a THANK YOU!, I guess he was in shock, and I was upset for the way he looked at me, a humble working guy!! :rolleyes: Anyway, I got home, explained the Boss-the wife- and she gave a kiss.;) THE END :P

I used to work at walmart a long time ago and have done the same thing. Find a wallet and on the way to bringing to customer service I run into the owner. "Here you go sir, I found this in my department you must have dropped it" first thing first is always counting the money and looking at you as if you snaked it from them. The worst time I found a wallet in the parking lot and returned it, the money had been removed and the wallet was left where I found it. The guy was blaming me for the theft.

Other times people are extremely gratefull too though. I saw people all the time with just a wad of cash in thier back pocket about to fall out and would warn them. People need to learn how to properly carry thier cash.
 
smk762 said:
SilverPete said:
Sorry to say Alor, but it's going to get far worse when you are not only competing with cheaper people offshore, but with increasingly sophisticated automation technology, and as housing costs continue to escalate around the few remaining centres of employment.

But this is no justification in our current society (in Australia) for us to be profiting from the possible misfortune of others. Going forward, as things get tougher (and they will get tougher for the younger generations) we're going to have to learn to help each other out more and more, and this will require trust and mutual compassion.

The only possessions you really have are your health, skills, reputation and honor. When all things material are lost, these are the only assets you can rely on. Each of these is the product of your life up to the present based on your lifestyle in the past. Fail to invest in them and you will fail to endure hardship.

All very true, but as things get worse then the advantage of community and cooperation will be increasingly critical.

Maybe all our reasoning breaks down at some point. For an extreme example I found the following. I doubt any of us would hesitate for one second to take a stash in the following example. As the author says of his experience: "But there were also many normal men, like you and me, fathers and grandfathers, who killed and robbed. There were no "good" and "bad" men."


One Year In HellSurviving a Full SHTF Collapse in Bosnia

I am from Bosnia. You know, between 1992 and 1995, it was hell. For one year, I lived and survived in a city with 6,000 people without water, electricity, gasoline, medical help, civil defense, distribution service, any kind of traditional service or centralized rule.
Today, me and my family are well-prepared, I am well-armed. I have experience.

It does not matter what will happen: an earthquake, a war, a tsunami, aliens, terrorists, economic collapse, uprising. The important part is that something will happen.

The following is my experience:

Our city was blockaded by the army; and for one year, life in the city turned into total crap. We had no army, no police. We only had armed groups; those armed protected their homes and families.
When it all started, some of us were better prepared. But most of the neighbors' families had enough food only for a few days. Some had pistols; a few had AK-47s or shotguns.

After a month or two, gangs started operating, destroying everything. Hospitals, for example, turned into slaughterhouses. There was no more police. About 80 percent of the hospital staff were gone. I got lucky. My family at the time was fairly large (15 people in a large house, six pistols, three AKs), and we survived (most of us, at least).

The Americans dropped MREs every 10 days to help blockaded cities. This was never enough. Some very few had gardens. It took three months for the first rumors to spread of men dying from hunger and cold. We removed all the doors, the window frames from abandoned houses, ripped up the floors and burned the furniture for heat. Many died from diseases, especially from the water (two from my own family). We drank mostly rainwater, ate pigeons and even rats.

Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers.

Arms, ammunition, candles, lighters, antibiotics, gasoline, batteries and food. We fought for these things like animals. In these situations, it all changes. Men become monsters. It was disgusting.

Strength was in numbers. A man living alone getting killed and robbed would be just a matter of time, even if he was armed.

Today, me and my family are well-prepared, I am well-armed. I have experience.

It does not matter what will happen: an earthquake, a war, a tsunami, aliens, terrorists, economic collapse, uprising. The important part is that something will happen.

Here's my experience: You can't make it on your own. Don't stay apart from your family; prepare together, choose reliable friends.

1. How to move safely in a city

The city was divided into communities along streets. Our street (15 to 20 homes) had patrols (five armed men every week) to watch for gangs and for our enemies.

All the exchanges occurred in the street. About 5 kilometers away was an entire street for trading, all well-organized; but going there was too dangerous because of the snipers. You could also get robbed by bandits. I only went there twice, when I needed something really rare (list of medicine, mainly antibiotics, of the French original of the texts).

Nobody used automobiles in the city: The streets were blocked by wreckage and by abandoned cars. Gasoline was very expensive. If one needed to go somewhere, that was done at night. Never travel alone or in groups that were too big always two to three men. All armed, travel swift, in the shadows, cross streets through ruins, not along open streets.

There were many gangs 10 to 15 men strong, some as large as 50 men. But there were also many normal men, like you and me, fathers and grandfathers, who killed and robbed. There were no "good" and "bad" men. Most were in the middle and ready for the worst.

Much more in source: http://www.silverdoctors.com/one-year-in-hellsurviving-a-full-shtf-collapse-in-bosnia/
 
so we can conclude that.. if there we dont know who is the owner of the cash/gold then we can keep it ?

back to the topic again:

GP make a good point, then he would left a note, that he got your stash, but how long are we keeping it for ? what if those stash becomes a storage problem ? or you need some money, and need to sell those gold coins ?
 
when I was a young fella many moons ago sitting out front of the caf in the middle of bloody nowhere down on my luck , truckie stoped jumped out dropped his wallet was so fat with notes could have partied for months, by the way he didn't know and by the time he did I would have been long gone, I picked it up and gave it back to him, he just grunted and went on ordering his food.

still to this day I wonder if I had have known is attitude prior would I have given it to him its hypothetical I know and the answer well still not sure :)
 
I used to look after several buildings along the waterfront in Brisbane & would have valuables handed in all the time, (most people make it very hard to track them down). I would be tasked with the job as the others would simply just want to turn it over to the police because it was all to hard.

99% of the time I managed to contact the owner or someone who knew the owner & would have them contact me. I normally found the more cash in a wallet or purse the less grateful the owner was to have it returned to them. The most grateful bloke I ever came across had less than $10.00 in it but as he explained it had great sentimental value as it was his fathers & pass onto him from his mother when his dad pass on.

Those kind of people keep you going on the right track, the others who just grunt at you & couldn't care less what pains you went to tracking them down almost made you want to say stuff it drop it in the lost & found box, if it's still their in a week drop it off at the police station with all the other unclaimed crap. One guy visiting from the USA had over 5 grand in his & he was just a grunter.
 
there are people in New York who make a living walking the streets picking up bits of gold in the cracks in the sidewalk to use the US term.
 
Belvedere said:
lshallperish said:
Jislizard said:
Maybe it is just the younger generation who feel more entitled to help themselves to other people's property. After all, they have free food and lodgings at home, free education, and if they can't get a job they get free housing and free money from the government.

You can't blame them for thinking that anything they want belongs to them, it is what we have taught them.

I would do what most people would do, remove the contents for safe keeping and leave contact details. If no one ever gets in touch with me then I would assume that they have passed away or forgotten about it. If they do get in touch they will have learned a valuable lesson.


LOL!!! As usual the baby boomer's blaming us Gen Y's... listen the reason we have to live like this is because of your generation.. I have a job and you know what I will never be able to afford to buy a house.. Your generation went to work in factory's and in 4-5 years bought a house out right or with a home loan. How about you come and try my shoes on see where it gets you.. a degree means nothing.. its now just a peice of paper.. you want to be a cleaner? you need a certificate and 2-4 years experience.. <<< that is just is an example of how bad things are thanks to you guys.


When you were 20 years of age how many places could you of went and got a job? a dozen? 2 dozen? with no experience no degree no nothing you could of got a job and in 2-3 years could of made off 50% of a house.

Now for the stash.. If you ever find a stash go give it to the government you white knight im sure they will return it to the owner and not say "OHH ITS GOVERNMENT PROPERTY" lol

Yawn. Poor me. So hard done by.

Baby boomer!? Nope, I am the generation after them, Gen X. Which pretty much makes the rest of your rant invalid, if it wasn't already right off the deep end to begin with. I am not sure where you heard about the high level of education needed to be a cleaner, you don't need any experience to push a mop around, I used to do it from time to time when I worked for a temp agency. If anyone told you that you don't have the right qualifications or experience to work as a cleaner for them I suspect they were just politely telling you that they didn't want you to work for them.

I think I was quite clear about what I would do if I found a stash, it doesn't involve the government either.
 
When I was fresh out of high school and working at Walmart (shitty job, even shittier pay, but then again I've never had anything given to me for free so I take what I can get) I learned that as soon as money touches the floor in a Walmart building, it is then Walmart's personal property. I was walking with a girl near the end of a shift and found $60 on the ground, I split it with her. It would have been instant termination for picking up found money and not turning it in, which, if I did turn in, Walmart would not return to the owner, even if they knew 100% who it belonged to, they keep it anyway. Because apparently the Waltons need every last penny they can get! It's a finder's keeper's world we live in now. I wish it wasn't that way. I do have ethics too ya know, but I've been robbed three times. You cannot trust anyone anymore. I wish there was more honesty in the world, but as it is, you've gotta play the game their way if you ever expect to win.
 
long88 said:
do you know what happen after you leave it there with the manager ? and if no one come to claim for it ?

and how do you proof that someone can claim say $100 or $20 or $50 belong to him/hers ?

willrocks said:
long88 said:
so if you found $100 on safeway/coles floor, what do you do with it ?

I'd leave a note with the store manager.

The note would say. Hey manager, I just found $100 in your store. I'm off to the pub. Thanks.
 
I like the message in the bottle idea. I think I might leave a message saying that the stash had been turned in to the local police and actually take it there. I do know in the case of abandoned wealth, the police will call you up after a certain time and tell you to come and take it away. If the previous owner does show up at the station and the police can actually remember then they may contact you, in which case I may attempt to return what I could of his stash...via the police. I would not wish to meet the person.

This gives you protection from ungrateful or angry people and also the knowledge that you attempted to do the right thing.
 
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