Chinese medals - silver isn't the only composition!

Yeah, b.. Always gotta send in the COA with these things.


And for the ultra-low mintage pieces, definitely have to have all kinds of proof.

I understand where they're coming from with that, but that's pretty lousy how they charged you twice & kept the capsules -- especially the 2nd time around.
 
mmissinglink said:
Gatito Bandito said:
mmissinglink said:
Barsenault,

prior to the last time I spoke with Becky over at NGC, she told me that the graders who authenticate and grade Chinese medals over in their FLA facility, were actually in China. She didn't tell me how long they'd been there for but that could be part of the reason that there's a longer turn around time than usual for Chinese medal grading at this particular time.

That sounds a bit odd -- not to mention not very profitable.

They don't have anybody in the entire state of Florida who can read Chinese?


From what I've heard, sounds like NGC reps sometimes give out wrong / conflicting info.

Wouldn't be the 1st time a company does that. Wonder if that's the case here..



barsenault said:
Hey missing, man, this was unusually long. Crazy. And then I send medals in with COA, from an official mint, and they say, unverifiable, WTH. I was po'd. I'm now working with Lucky to get a letter from the mint letterhead to substantiate the validity of the medal. These guys can be a big royal pain in the arse. I will say, I got my first fake ever though. 2004 Panda 1 oz silver. I would never have known it was fake unless I sent it in. It was double sealed, and looked good to me back 4 years ago. lol. Finally decided to get it graded. I will carry it around as a reminder to seek advice when buying those pesky things. NGC obviously does a good job authenticating. Thanks for the input.


Mind sharing which medals were "unverifiable," according to NGC?

Sort of ironic, considering how not too long ago they were trumpeting their medals-grading service.

The bumbling idiots of corporate America are omnipresent! :lol:


I understand it was years ago, but I'd definitely track down where you bought that fake Panda..

There's a reason why I only buy certain types of pieces on eBay. But if that actually came from the Big A, then the community certainly has something to be concerned about.


If I recall accurately, Becky at NGC claimed that the graders for the Chinese medals were getting additional training by the experts in China...which is something I actually would commend them taking time out for because the better trained they are, the better their authentication / grading service will be.




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They need to read mandarin and good at it not train the technical skill
 
Good point Andy but I suppose they could have received language training in the U.S.


Barsenault, don't kick yourself for not being able to detect a fake because:
1) neither you not I nor many collectors who don't focus heavily on Pandas will know the difference
2) the fakes are getting better all the time and they are sometimes even fooling the experts.




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Anyone know much about this medal aside from what ggoodluck mentions in his listing? Or perhaps ggoodluck can shed more light on this piece on this thread (if you're reading it). Perhaps a little more insight into the artist and his work. Thanks much.

ebay listing: 141724248871



 
"when this medal was issued,most of them were shot by the followers of Chen Jian,very hot!"


Sounds pretty brutal, b..

Are you sure you want to get involved with this?


:P
 
Chen Jian PF69 (ggoodluck has one for sale), beautiful details. 500 minted. And my Longevity 3.3, PF68. Not sure how many minted. There is another of these for sale on eBay (don't know the seller). They were conserved, and graded.













 
I give you a younger man

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I like the reverse side much than coins over coin. I like human being :P
 
I know that for at least a few different Chinese medals that are minted in brass and copper, the mintage for the copper is lower than for the brass version of that medal design.

Is this somewhat normal? Why the lower mintage for the copper version?



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The medal in china sponsor by private investors/sponsor or/and mints themselves. Generally, the mints has an internal policy of the minimum mintage for medal and subject to approval of their management.

Lower mintage medal has higher costs due to economy of scales. It also depends on spot rate of the metals, relationship with mints, complicated of the design, relief level, designers and all others factors.

Therefore, which metal is higher mintage can be decided by them and no norm.

However, you realise shanghai mints is always come with higher mintage medal than Nanjing and Shenyang BUT few exceptional due to the power of the sponsor with the mints management. Each mints has their own strengths and weaknesses.

Nanjing mints is good in minting processes which less tend to white spot and good in design god, dragon and phoenix, traditional folk theme and animal.

Shanghai mints is good in designers who has more famous designers than other 3 china official mints. However, they tend to produce silver metal for white spot like macoa panda expo, panda expo 1, classical garden long corridor onward even they claim rhadium plating apply.
 
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Bob this the Chen Jian 9 dragon in one pieces medal. Take a look of the COA which is good match to the medal which 9 dragon and long 999 for coa. LOL he signature too
 
Been Here, but what i bought is only pandas. probably next time I can find them much easier. my take home includes teapots and plates and silver chopsticks.:)

mmissinglink said:
Shanhai Pass , known in Chinese as Shanhaiguan, also called Yu Pass (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Ygun), is one of the major passes in the Great Wall of China. The words "First Pass Under Heaven" (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Tinxi Dy Gun) are engraved above one of the gates and so the site is also known by that name. It is located in Shanhaiguan District, Qinhuangdao, Hebei province. In 1961, the pass became a National Cultural Site of China. It is a popular tourist destination given its situation at the eastern end of the main line of the Ming Dynasty Great Wall. The location where the wall meets the Bohai Sea is nicknamed "Old Dragon's Head." The pass lies nearly 300 kilometres (190 mi) east of Beijing and is linked via the Jingshen Expressway that runs northeastward to Shenyang. Throughout Chinese history, the pass served as a frontline defense against ethnic groups from Manchuria including the Khitan, Jurchen and the Manchus).

Structure
The Shanhai Pass is where the Great Wall of China meets the ocean (at the Bohai Sea).

The Shanhai Pass is built as a square, with a perimeter of around 4 kilometres (2.5 mi). The walls reach a height of 14 metres (46 ft), and are 7 metres (23 ft) thick. The east, south and north sides are surrounded by a deep, wide moat. There are drawbridges over the moat. In the middle of the pass stands a tall bell tower.

All four sides of the Shanhai Pass once possessed a gate or mn (), with the Zhndng Mn () in the East wall, the Yngn Mn ( ) in the West, the Wngyng Mn () in the South and the Wiyun Mn () in the North. Due to lack of repairs over the centuries, only the Zhendong Gate remains today. This was the most important gate due to its position, which faces outside the pass towards Beijing.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanhai_Pass

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Heres the Great wall Shanhaiguan pass/Yu pass :):):)
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JNS said:
Been Here, but what i bought is only pandas. probably next time I can find them much easier. my take home includes teapots and plates and silver chopsticks.:)

mmissinglink said:
Shanhai Pass , known in Chinese as Shanhaiguan, also called Yu Pass (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Ygun), is one of the major passes in the Great Wall of China. The words "First Pass Under Heaven" (simplified Chinese: ; traditional Chinese: ; pinyin: Tinxi Dy Gun) are engraved above one of the gates and so the site is also known by that name. It is located in Shanhaiguan District, Qinhuangdao, Hebei province. In 1961, the pass became a National Cultural Site of China. It is a popular tourist destination given its situation at the eastern end of the main line of the Ming Dynasty Great Wall. The location where the wall meets the Bohai Sea is nicknamed "Old Dragon's Head." The pass lies nearly 300 kilometres (190 mi) east of Beijing and is linked via the Jingshen Expressway that runs northeastward to Shenyang. Throughout Chinese history, the pass served as a frontline defense against ethnic groups from Manchuria including the Khitan, Jurchen and the Manchus).

Structure
The Shanhai Pass is where the Great Wall of China meets the ocean (at the Bohai Sea).

The Shanhai Pass is built as a square, with a perimeter of around 4 kilometres (2.5 mi). The walls reach a height of 14 metres (46 ft), and are 7 metres (23 ft) thick. The east, south and north sides are surrounded by a deep, wide moat. There are drawbridges over the moat. In the middle of the pass stands a tall bell tower.

All four sides of the Shanhai Pass once possessed a gate or mn (), with the Zhndng Mn () in the East wall, the Yngn Mn ( ) in the West, the Wngyng Mn () in the South and the Wiyun Mn () in the North. Due to lack of repairs over the centuries, only the Zhendong Gate remains today. This was the most important gate due to its position, which faces outside the pass towards Beijing.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanhai_Pass

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Heres the Great wall Shanhaiguan pass/Yu pass :):):)
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November ???? it look cold
 
Yup Andrewlee10, i climb 3 times on that place in different year, i went also into dragon head gate. In the city of Qinhuangdao, just near the intersection of the main street, there is a small store of silver bars, ingots and pandas. Also there is a lot of store selling Finex Jewelries. They have beautiful finex bars. Probably next year, when i come back, i will purchase medal too. i will check my archive now for chinese medals to share.
 
Here is mine: Harmonious Olympics Floriated Commemorative Medallion
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I'm really hoping someone here can help me. My mother found a box that had what looks like a medal from China. I have never been a collector and have not been able to find any items matching what this looks like in both front and back. I have seen pictures of medals with the Great Wall on them that are the same from this auction http://m.ebay.com/itm/321908349691

The one we found though says "China tourist souvenirs joint development corporation" there is also writing above it in Chinese. I am at work now but will try to post pics when I get home tonight.

Any information would be greatly appreciated
 
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