Chinese medals - silver isn't the only composition!

Hi mmising,

You might like to send email to Shanghai mints and ask them about this medal. Is that mints and issue by them? Generally , I did not come across that Shanghai mints Coa does state the retail price of the medal. In additional, the company stamp of Shanghai mints in the Coa is lack of the wording co., Ltd in china character.

I might spot more things later after my breakfast of this medal
 
Or a real medal but just not produced by the Shanghai Mint. In other words, a fake implies that there is a genuine item of the same design that is being imitated and reproduced specifically for the purpose of tricking people into believing that the reproduced item is the genuine one. If there is no genuine one to begin with, then there can be no fake.

The description in the auction states nowhere that this medal is produced by the Shanghai Mint. Can there be a mint that has a similar name to the Shanghai mint? Sure. After all, all you have to do is a Google search and you will find dozens of links to comments about company names that are similar and legal.

Of course, there can be medals made to look as if they are made from valuable metals but I doubt that some mint would go through the trouble of trying to create a medal that is not copper to look like copper....I just don't think the cost to do that would be ever recouped if they are charging $40 for a very large intricately detailed medal, plus free overseas shipping, plus a lined wood box, fancy printed paper box, and a COA.

My guess is that the medal is real copper and that the design is original....not a replica of some Shanghai Mint medal. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide.


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mmissinglink said:
Or a real medal but just not produced by the Shanghai Mint. In other words, a fake implies that there is a genuine item of the same design that is being imitated and reproduced specifically for the purpose of tricking people into believing that the reproduced item is the genuine one. If there is no genuine one to begin with, then there can be no fake.

The description in the auction states nowhere that this medal is produced by the Shanghai Mint. Can there be a mint that has a similar name to the Shanghai mint? Sure. After all, all you have to do is a Google search and you will find dozens of links to comments about company names that are similar and legal.

Of course, there can be medals made to look as if they are made from valuable metals but I doubt that some mint would go through the trouble of trying to create a medal that is not copper to look like copper....I just don't think the cost to do that would be ever recouped if they are charging $40 for a very large intricately detailed medal, plus free overseas shipping, plus a lined wood box, fancy printed paper box, and a COA.

My guess is that the medal is real copper and that the design is original....not a replica of some Shanghai Mint medal. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide.


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I think the design not from the official mints Shanghai mints. It can be orginal from this company.

The definition of "fake" can be varies from person to person and situation to situation.

I do not call this medal as fake if I follow your definition. Therefore, I ask to email the official mints Shanghai mints to verify keke.

Others might view it as fake in their ditionary.

Example, Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) did has trade marks and so on. A China chain restaurant use the word KFchicken and selling fried chicken. Is this call fake ?

KFC say yes and the other party say no.

In the end this case went to court.

This is a realize court case in china. However I cannot remember the name use and the aurguement points there.
 
andrewlee10 said:
mmissinglink said:
Or a real medal but just not produced by the Shanghai Mint. In other words, a fake implies that there is a genuine item of the same design that is being imitated and reproduced specifically for the purpose of tricking people into believing that the reproduced item is the genuine one. If there is no genuine one to begin with, then there can be no fake.

The description in the auction states nowhere that this medal is produced by the Shanghai Mint. Can there be a mint that has a similar name to the Shanghai mint? Sure. After all, all you have to do is a Google search and you will find dozens of links to comments about company names that are similar and legal.

Of course, there can be medals made to look as if they are made from valuable metals but I doubt that some mint would go through the trouble of trying to create a medal that is not copper to look like copper....I just don't think the cost to do that would be ever recouped if they are charging $40 for a very large intricately detailed medal, plus free overseas shipping, plus a lined wood box, fancy printed paper box, and a COA.

My guess is that the medal is real copper and that the design is original....not a replica of some Shanghai Mint medal. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide.


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I think the design not from the official mints Shanghai mints. It can be orginal from this company.

The definition of "fake" can be varies from person to person and situation to situation.

I do not call this medal as fake if I follow your definition. Therefore, I ask to email the official mints Shanghai mints to verify keke.

Others might view it as fake in their ditionary.

Example, Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) did has trade marks and so on. A China chain restaurant use the word KFchicken and selling fried chicken. Is this call fake ?

KFC say yes and the other party say no.

In the end this case went to court.

This is a realize court case in china. However I cannot remember the name use and the aurguement points there.
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Your analogy is NOT a good one at all unless you can give clear evidence that the design of this medal is an exact or nearly identical one to a design of a medal the Shanghai Mint has produced.

Otherwise, it is simply an original design by a mint with a similar name to the Shanghai Mint....which is not a fake medal....it's a real medal.



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mmissinglink said:
andrewlee10 said:
mmissinglink said:
Or a real medal but just not produced by the Shanghai Mint. In other words, a fake implies that there is a genuine item of the same design that is being imitated and reproduced specifically for the purpose of tricking people into believing that the reproduced item is the genuine one. If there is no genuine one to begin with, then there can be no fake.

The description in the auction states nowhere that this medal is produced by the Shanghai Mint. Can there be a mint that has a similar name to the Shanghai mint? Sure. After all, all you have to do is a Google search and you will find dozens of links to comments about company names that are similar and legal.

Of course, there can be medals made to look as if they are made from valuable metals but I doubt that some mint would go through the trouble of trying to create a medal that is not copper to look like copper....I just don't think the cost to do that would be ever recouped if they are charging $40 for a very large intricately detailed medal, plus free overseas shipping, plus a lined wood box, fancy printed paper box, and a COA.

My guess is that the medal is real copper and that the design is original....not a replica of some Shanghai Mint medal. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide.


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I think the design not from the official mints Shanghai mints. It can be orginal from this company.

The definition of "fake" can be varies from person to person and situation to situation.

I do not call this medal as fake if I follow your definition. Therefore, I ask to email the official mints Shanghai mints to verify keke.

Others might view it as fake in their ditionary.

Example, Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) did has trade marks and so on. A China chain restaurant use the word KFchicken and selling fried chicken. Is this call fake ?

KFC say yes and the other party say no.

In the end this case went to court.

This is a realize court case in china. However I cannot remember the name use and the aurguement points there.
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Your analogy is NOT a good one at all unless you can give clear evidence that the design of this medal is an exact or nearly identical one to a design of a medal the Shanghai Mint has produced.

Otherwise, it is simply an original design by a mint with a similar name to the Shanghai Mint....which is not a fake medal....it's a real medal.



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As you read my statement is I do not call this as fake but others might be. Why other might call or view it as fake because the company name is only less of a word "Ltd" in company in coa. In Chinese character the company name is fully identical or the same to the official mints of Shanghai mints but the company seal short of the word ltd. This is something to think the reason. Shanghai mints is reputable and well known and a company use the same name of them but different company seal by short of one wording "ltd" by producing an original design product. This this act on good faith ? What the purpose ? Is this consider and acceptable under legislation and social ? Personally I like the design to be frank.

It have copied and paste few similar design of same topics of some official mints in China into one medal. Let me dip the photo next week and post here. However, copy partially and put into one still consider orginal for me.

Therefore I quote the case of kfc.
 
KeepOnTrying! said:
Guys, does anyone know the name of the Mint that produced the xi shi medal and the artist/designer?
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"More" info about Xi shi:

https://www.coincompendium.com/w/index.php/CCT3801

Another 4 beauties set:
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Source: http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=9332.msg54587#msg54587
 
KeepOnTrying! said:
mmissinglink said:
As some of you might also be, I am a lover of science and a big fan of the cosmos and celestial bodies....these things just fascinate me immensely.

I am also, as some of you might be, a lover of beauty and beautiful works or art and craftsmanship.

So perhaps it's no surprise that when the two are joined together (science and beauty) in a Chinese medal, it's going to be a big winner with me.

Introducing "Transit of Venus".

But first, a little context of what the Transit of Venus is in astronomy (which is the study of the cosmos):
"Transits of Venus are among the rarest of predictable celestial phenomena and occur in pairs, eight years apart, which are themselves separated by more than a century....the next pair of transits will occur on 1011 December 2117 and in December 2125"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Venus,_2012



With no further ado the "Transit of Venus" brass and copper medal set.....
Produced in 2012
Size: 70mm
Weight: more than 300 grams


Please keep in mind that these 2 medals are still in the sealed plastic pouch so the medals are not going to look exactly as they would if they were seen without the plastic pouch. I took a number of pictures with the lights in various positions and I selected the pictures in which the refracted light off the pouches was least a visual nuisance.

http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_brass_medal_box_a.jpg
Brass medal Box



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_brass_medal_coa_front_a.jpg
COA of brass medal with number blacked out by me



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_brass_medal_coa_back_a.jpg
This is the back of the COA of the brass medal with what I believe is the signature of the medal designer.....which is very rare I think. But please correct me if I am wrong if anyone knows for certain.



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_brass_medal_sun_side_a.jpg
Brass medal Sun side



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_brass_medal_venus_side_a.jpg
Brass medal Venus side



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_brass_medal_venus_side_2_a.jpg
Brass medal Venus side (different angle lighting)




http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_box_a.jpg
Box for copper medal



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_coa_front_a.jpg
COA of copper medal with number blacked out by me



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_coa_back_a.jpg
This is the back of the COA of the copper medal with what I believe is the signature of the medal designer.....which is very rare I think. But please correct me if I am wrong if anyone knows for certain.



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_sun_side_2_a.jpg
Copper medal Sun side



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_sun_side_a.jpg
Copper medal Sun side (different angle lighting)



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_venus_side_2_a.jpg
Copper medal Venus side



http://forums.silverstackers.com/uploads/8838_2012_transit_of_venus_copper_medal_venus_side_a.jpg
Copper medal Venus side (different angle lighting)




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This is incredibly beautiful. Where did you find it. Any more in existence? Any possibility of finding one to buy?
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Sorry for the delay...the seller on eBay for the beautiful Transit of Venus medals is: starryguo



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That the greatwall and the pillar by Shanghai mints

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This is the circulate coin of celebration of the china nation building anniv. This is not high relief. :(

I come across the prominent building in in same medal and coins. However, I cannot find it.
 
Elkslayer132 said:
Sent my Brass and Copper Xi Shi to NGC yesterday for grading fingers crossed for a 70. First time ever sending my own Coin/Medals for grading.
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These have now been graded by NGC just waiting to get them back i will try to post pictures of them.
Copper came in at MS69RB and the Brass at MS69
Not 70's but still happy with them.:)
 
Elkslayer132 said:
Elkslayer132 said:
Sent my Brass and Copper Xi Shi to NGC yesterday for grading fingers crossed for a 70. First time ever sending my own Coin/Medals for grading.
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These have now been graded by NGC just waiting to get them back i will try to post pictures of them.
Copper came in at MS69RB and the Brass at MS69
Not 70's but still happy with them.:)
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That consider good grade for this medal
 
If 69 is the best grade for these medals, then that's basically like having an MS68 graded Morgan silver dollar....it's as fine an example as it gets.



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mmissinglink said:
If 69 is the best grade for these medals, then that's basically like having an MS68 graded Morgan silver dollar....it's as fine an example as it gets.
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Or like having a 68 Happy Boy / Gordon Money! :lol:
 
Gatito Bandito said:
mmissinglink said:
If 69 is the best grade for these medals, then that's basically like having an MS68 graded Morgan silver dollar....it's as fine an example as it gets.
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Or like having a 68 Happy Boy / Gordon Money! :lol:
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Happy Boy is a secret mercenary killer from the Twelve Pythons of Shenyang society. :o




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