BITCON... WHY its totally FLAWED

willrocks said:
Has anyone managed to get their Mt.Gox account "Trusted" (i.e. sending notarized and apostilled documents). Wondering how long this takes? I sent mine on Monday (express 1 day postage).

Took them over 7 days just to "validate" my ANZ account to enable the $1000 per day withdrawls.

Who knows how long processing to "trusted" status will take!
 
willrocks said:
pro$pector said:
willrocks said:
Has anyone managed to get their Mt.Gox account "Trusted" (i.e. sending notarized and apostilled documents). Wondering how long this takes? I sent mine on Monday (express 1 day postage).

Took them over 7 days just to "validate" my ANZ account to enable the $1000 per day withdrawls.

Who knows how long processing to "trusted" status will take!

I guess it depends on how many people in the "Trusted" queue? I'm guessing/hoping it's a lot shorter than the "Verified" queue.

I also hope they process "Trusted" verifications quicker. It would make better business sense, given Trusted accounts are more likely to trade bigger orders.

I ordered another Yubi key for my wife's account last Friday. It arrived Tuesday!

I also need to get that organised, the trusted status.
Now is a good time while things are slow.
Also thought if the Yubi key, but my understanding is that if you lose it, you won't be able to reset your password?
Do you know if you can have 2 Yubi keys? So that you can store one in the deposit box or something.
 
RetardedMonkey said:
RetardedMonkey said:
Okay, transferred some cash left over from my small silver purchase to put into MtGox.
Took almost exactly 24hrs to get from my bank account to Mt.Gox - not bad!

Nice to hear, so your just internet transferred to Technocash, they took 3.95% then deposited the rest to your Gox account?
 
pro$pector said:
Nice to hear, so your just internet transferred to Technocash, they took 3.95% then deposited the rest to your Gox account?
Yep.

Luckily my account is Bankwest and so is Technocash, so the money would have been instantly visible in their account - just needed to be processed to Gox I assume.
 
I'm going ok, hanging in there understanding most of the conversation, and then!!!! Wham!!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone managed to get their Mt.Gox account "Trusted" (i.e. sending notarized and apostilled documents). Wondering how long this takes? I sent mine on Monday (express 1 day postage).

Followed by:

"validated", "verified", "Yubi keys", "lost Yubi keys" and then "Technocash"?????????????????????

And this system is supposed to be more Libertarian and will be accessible to all and eventually willingly adopted by the whole world?

Of course. (insert sarcasm smiley) (insert member of older generation flag).

I wonder where that goat-herder Jamal's nearest Notary Public is in Gobustan, Azerbaijan? Shouldn't be too hard for him to find one, just use his iPhone and type in www.azerbaijanlookup.com I suppose. Then all he has to do is take his birth certificate, driver's license and utility bill in to prove who he is. :cool:

Topic reminder: Bitcoin...Why it is totally flawed.
 
Except willrocks, you guys are going to extraordinary trouble to deal in something that should be as easy as handing over a $20 note - and it's obviously not.

Flawed.
 
willrocks said:
(i.e. you hold the coins, virtually anonymous transactions, no gov or bank can take bitcoins ...) then there's little point anyone explaining it to you now.

And they are virtually anonymous now?

Hang on, I thought they were anonymous?????? How can you have degrees of anonymity. You're either anonymous or you're not??? Strange. Maybe technological anonymity is like an old corrugated iron rainwater tank (which you used to be able to buy with paper notes), after a while it rusts and leaks and you end up losing your water.

Conversation with self:

shiney!1: Hey dickhead, would you rather have virtual anonymity or real anonymity?
shiney!2: What do you mean? Just like virtual sex and real sex?

:lol:
 
willrocks said:
mmm....shiney! said:
Except willrocks, you guys are going to extraordinary trouble to deal in something that should be as easy as handing over a $20 note - and it's obviously not.

Flawed.

Bitcoin to bitcoin transactions are actually easier than handing over a $20 note.

Actually it's not, because I don't need any technology to complete the transaction, but I understand your point there, especially if you are not face-face.
 
willrocks said:
Well it's like pissing in a urinal. Technically there's a small chance that urine could be tracked back to you. But it's probably virtually impossible.

Also your cash notes have serial numbers. So technically they may be tracked back to you with about the same degree of probability as tracking a bitcoin transaction.

So it's not guaranteed anonymous, thank you. And by "virtually" I assume you mean capable with today's current technology?

By the way, how can bank notes be traced back if there is no register of ownership to begin with?
 
mmm....shiney! said:
Except willrocks, you guys are going to extraordinary trouble to deal in something that should be as easy as handing over a $20 note - and it's obviously not.
Not sure if you're trolling (you probably are haha), but I'll bite anyway.

Handing over a $20 is easy (you give it to me)
Handing over 20 BTC is easy (I enter a wallet address)

Think of this more like a bank account, you need ID to open an account, you need to enter codes to retrieve money from the ATMs provided by banks.
Same concept with BTC - except it's all done online.
 
RetardedMonkey said:
mmm....shiney! said:
Except willrocks, you guys are going to extraordinary trouble to deal in something that should be as easy as handing over a $20 note - and it's obviously not.
Not sure if you're trolling (you probably are haha), but I'll bite anyway.

Handing over a $20 is easy (you give it to me)
Handing over 20 BTC is easy (I enter a wallet address)

Think of this more like a bank account, you need ID to open an account, you need to enter codes to retrieve money from the ATMs provided by banks.
Same concept with BTC - except it's all done online.

See the problem with you young people Monkeyboy is, you all, and I mean all of you, immediately label any online criticism as trolling. We older people are not so quick to tar everyone and everything with the same brush. We never make gross generalisations. Ever. ;)

On a more serious note, explaining Bitcoins' reliance on technology by comparing it to the very fragile system we currently operate under eg ATM's is not going to convince me. So my point? Unless you can convince people Bitcoins is a move forward, then the only way it can be introduced as a general form of currency is by coercion. Which is naughty.

Of course, if there were alternatives and Bitcoins were one of them, and cold hard cash were another, then that would be a good move.

:)
 
willrocks said:
mmm....shiney! said:
willrocks said:
Bitcoin to bitcoin transactions are actually easier than handing over a $20 note.

Actually it's not, because I don't need any technology to complete the transaction, but I understand your point there, especially if you are not face-face.

But you do. You rely on printing presses, vehicles to ship and distribute the cash, banks, government ... the list goes on. Unless you're peeling paperbark off and writing $20 with a charcoal stick, you are relying on technology. And if you need to meet face to face to hand over the $20, you also rely on transportation, roads, ...

I would hazard a guess that the complexities of those technologies you listed vary greatly. The more complex a technology is, the more parts make the whole, and therefore the more reliance there is upon all those parts working faultlessly.
 
willrocks said:
mmm....shiney! said:
By the way, how can bank notes be traced back if there is no register of ownership to begin with?

Bingo! Same with bitcoin addresses.

But seriously, they have traced bank notes by numbers in the past. e.g. bank robberies.

but you said virtually anonymous before, I was just picking up on that. :)

And yes bank robberies have been traced with serial numbers, but they can't do it if the note is general circulation and you buy a crumbed steak. :cool:
 
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