1ST COIN OF NEW SERIES ( "Lunar Skulls" )

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ytrader said:
any idea how many proofs the seller sold? 20?
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Total so far? Has to be around 100, at least from the US. There's a way to find out on eBay via an Advanced Search.


From what I understand, he has control of half (250), with originally only 50 to be sold on eBay. That changed quickly.

I wonder if some of the US dealers simply had him do additional listings for their allocations, which were groups of 5 & 10 proofs that we've been seeing now.


I understand the clamoring for the proofs, but I'm surprised the BU's haven't moved a little quicker yet. Up to about 110 retail sold, from what I can see.

I might have to help that along some more before those slowly start getting jacked up, too. Because once it reaches a certain sales level, you know the same thing will start happening with the BU's (though I'm sure not as severe).


2K worldwide mintage for the BU is pretty tiny, especially for the 1st of what appears to be a pretty cool lunar series. I'd like to have at least one whole set of the entire 12 years for my own collection, if I can help it. At the very least, with the BU's. Subsequent proof years might be out of my reach, the way things have been going.

What I do with the "extras," and when, who knows.
 
Gatito Bandito said:
ytrader said:
any idea how many proofs the seller sold? 20?
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Total so far? Has to be around 100, at least from the US. There's a way to find out on eBay via an Advanced Search.


From what I understand, he has control of half (250), with originally only 50 to be sold on eBay. That changed quickly.

I wonder if some of the US dealers simply had him do additional listings for their allocations, which were groups of 5 & 10 proofs that we've been seeing now.


I understand the clamoring for the proofs, but I'm surprised the BU's haven't moved a little quicker yet. Up to about 110 retail sold, from what I can see.

I might have to help that along some more before those slowly start getting jacked up, too. Because once it reaches a certain sales level, you know the same thing will start happening with the BU's (though I'm sure not as severe).


2K worldwide mintage for the BU is pretty tiny, especially for the 1st of what appears to be a pretty cool lunar series. I'd like to have at least one whole set of the entire 12 years for my own collection, if I can help it. At the very least, with the BU's. Subsequent proof years might be out of my reach, the way things have been going.

What I do with the "extras," and when, who knows.
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geez, 250?! he can pretty much charge whatever he wanted (not that he hasn't).
 
Gatito Bandito said:
ytrader said:
any idea how many proofs the seller sold? 20?
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Total so far? Has to be around 100, at least from the US. There's a way to find out on eBay via an Advanced Search.


From what I understand, he has control of half (250), with originally only 50 to be sold on eBay. That changed quickly.

I wonder if some of the US dealers simply had him do additional listings for their allocations, which were groups of 5 & 10 proofs that we've been seeing now.
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This coin was clearly a joint venture with Son Montuno and First Coin Company, there are no other dealers with this coin - regardless of what he said.

Talk about numbers is all marketing to build up demand, he clearly did a very good job at that.

IMO the design looks very nice, if the actual coin turns out like people are envisioning then this series could be a winner.
 
found a link - http://newcoinreleases.com/category/coin-series/son-montuno-mint/

"I was informed that the dies may also be destroyed after the maximum mintages are reached."
"The proofs in the US were allocated mostly to dealers with no more than 10 going to any single one and 50 were allocated to his eBay store at the retail price of $89.00"

so he sold 50 thru ebay, pushing the price to USD199. They are also releasing more similar coins:
"Son-Montuno will be releasing a new series of limited edition bullion rounds in the upcoming weeks also. It will be of a "modern popular style" and will be offered in gold, silver, and either copper or bronze."

another dragon-maniac in the making..... :/
 
db23 said:
This coin was clearly a joint venture with Son Montuno and First Coin Company, there are no other dealers with this coin - regardless of what he said.
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Why do you say "clearly"?


From what I understand, there's quite a bit of a network of dealers of all sizes out there, some who run in the same circles as others.

Making small private deals with some, who help him with upfront financing of the project, so they can capture a bit of easy profit by selling privately to their clients, takes some of the risk off the major players. A little bit here, a little bit there, can add up to a nice percentage of $$ that they don't have to worry about.


Not saying you could be wrong, but you have to look at from their perspective. With dies, design, Ag & minting costs, not to mention eBay fees & postage & what-not, starts to add up, too.

Who knows what kind of cash they're willing to risk, and how ballsy they may or may not be with a sizeable chunk of cash at stake. Obviously the retail buyers are helping to fund it, in part, but that's certainly not 100%.

I don't see passing along some of that risk to other smaller dealers to be out of the realm of possibility. Especially for a 1st-time project for them.
 
Proof sales on eBay from Nov-22-14 07:32:32 EST to Nov-24-14 21:26:33 EST

50 at $89
10 at $99
5 at $109
4 at $119
4 at $129
3 at $135
2 at $139
3 at $149
2 at $152
1 at $155
1 at $159
1 at $165
2 at $169
1 at $179
1 at $199

TOTAL: 90
 
BU, at the time of this post:


eBay (SM): 71 @ $69.90 USD
FCC: 44* @ $69.90 USD

Total: 115 @ $69.90 USD


*Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe FCC started with 100 BU in stock, which would give them 5%. Who knows if they're holding back more for later.
 
Gatito Bandito said:
BU, at the time of this post:
eBay (SM): 71 @ $69.90 USD
FCC: 44* @ $69.90 USD
Total: 115 @ $69.90 USD
*Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe FCC started with 100 BU in stock, which would give them 5%. Who knows if they're holding back more for later.
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Sales of the BU coin may pickup once people realise there aren't more proofs coming at lower prices. I'm holding off for now, but keeping an eye on them and if they start to move faster or continue at pace of 50+ coins a day for a week or so I will probably grab some.
 
Did anyone point this out yet?

Submitted on: November 28, 2009
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http://wikidtron.deviantart.com/art/Goat-Skull-145086554
 
Alright guys I got my BU coins now you can go and gobble all of them up lol! I think at almost a third of the current proof prices they are good deal!! Lol
 
Nabullion Dynamite said:
SilverPete said:
Did anyone point this out yet?

Submitted on: November 28, 2009
Image Size: 130 KB
Resolution: 700657

http://i.imgur.com/Ujb4xi2.png

http://wikidtron.deviantart.com/art/Goat-Skull-145086554
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Interested, looks like he may have just googles goat skulls and came across this artist and then made a deal to use the photograph. Goes to show that it wasn't designed specifically for the coin
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Which is exactly what I just did. I was curious to see how other people had depicted a goat skull, so I used google image search and this one was on the first page of results :)
 
http://agaunews.com/lunar-skulls-refreshing-new-take-lunar-coin-market/

"We all know that the Lunar market can sometimes seem an endless procession of coins with similar themes and designs, and while there are releases that rise above the pack, it's genuinely rare to see something completely different. We're not talking about inset crystals, agate, gilding or fluorescence for example, but something that deviates from the overall theme. A quick look through our huge Year of the Goat Superguide will show you scores of coins, pretty much all with the same basic design; a picture of a goat..."
 
from the FCC:

We have had conversation with the owner of the coin and we removed the following things because these things can be change a bit on the production period...

1) Ultra high relief
2) 1.7mm
3) Artist change every year (not confirmed yet)

new link for BU
http://firstcoincompany.com/S/repub...s-high-relief-1-oz-signed-by-artist-kiana-roo

new link for PROOF
http://firstcoincompany.com/S/repub...-relief-1-oz-signed-by-artist-kiana-roo-proof

About the price:
$750, yes, because we will have only 10 pcs. And price run as racer on the Olympic game :-) may be if we will have more pcs, then we will sell it on eBay as well for a bit cheaper...
So Proof coin will increase in few times very soon same as Niue Gilded Horse 5oz from $459 to $2000 (link). And BU also will increase in price a bit later...
 
Luker said:
http://agaunews.com/lunar-skulls-refreshing-new-take-lunar-coin-market/

"We all know that the Lunar market can sometimes seem an endless procession of coins with similar themes and designs, and while there are releases that rise above the pack, it's genuinely rare to see something completely different. We're not talking about inset crystals, agate, gilding or fluorescence for example, but something that deviates from the overall theme. A quick look through our huge Year of the Goat Superguide will show you scores of coins, pretty much all with the same basic design; a picture of a goat..."
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Couldn't agree more. I think if the coin image can be a close depiction of the sketch image, then we will have done just fine, and wished we had bought the boat load of proofs out of the gate. As far as the BU's are concerned, those have the greater chance for price appreciation at this stage in the game. Although the folks at FCC aren't changing their 750.00 price tag. Interesting. They too must see something unique with this style of coin. Again, I think it is all predicated on speculation at this point. The one coin that I saw from sketch to the real thing wasn't impressive at all. Granted, it wasn't high relieft, etc...but, I agree with those who say that he owners of this coin have their work cut out for them. Every time I think about ordering the BU, I just can't. I'm a risk taker, within limits. :D Good luck to all who bought the BU and/or Proof. May good fortune follow us.
 
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That's the Deluxe Limited Edition Antique Finish version. Mintage: 40.


Seriously though, there's no reason why we should assume that a sketch can't be turned into a terrific looking cast. That process is often done by machines these days, isn't it? So whether the initial sketch was initially intended as a tattoo or not, should that not matter for a simple coin design like this?





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