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  1. Guest

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    Nice work NR. A rather envious position to be in I must say.

    The obvious one, where they will need to be sharp and think on their feet and learn to rely on themselves - and not the state.

    The sheep are being herded at present by the establishment (now that they're fat and lazy) for the slaughter.

    I have absolutely no intention of allowing my children to become fodder for the sausage machine.

    I'm focused on giving them a real world education as much as investing as much as I can in good quality living standards for them and the best I can afford for them in terms of good education.

    I'm actively encouraging them to think outside the box and not be afraid to leave this country if they need to in order to find a good standard of living later.

    I ensure they are aware they will always have a safe place with me and their mother at home, but not be afraid to explore and extend their wings.


    I am a strong advocate of good education outside of the state system. My kids don't go to public schools (as is our choice) and we balance what they learn there with what we can teach them at home, along with a very stable, safe and nuturing family environment.

    I'm callous to the sheep and malign to the system, but fiercely protective of my own.

    Both my kids are active stackers and have a knowledge of the system that most children wouldn't have a clue about at their age. We sit and talk money, politics, psychology of the system and other intellectual ideas at the dinner table and take a very active role in their development.

    I KNOW as much as many of you where this world is going. I just want my kids to be free and so I'm throwing everything I can into achieving that for them.

    Freedom not just financially, but politically, socially and idealistically. Give them a solid foundation and the truth, promote an active and questioning mind and give them the support and desire to achieve.

    At least this is what I believe is the best course of action for my own and I'm content to put my own interests to the side concerning my future welfare to ensure it for them.

    I actually have high hopes for their achievements in life, regardless of the continued degredation of standards in society around them today.
     
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    Like you we have nutured, cajoled, pushed and educated our children. As parents we were called the education Nazi's. Yes they both went to private schools and we spent a small fortune on tutors. They are both now at Melbourne Uni. The older one works as a cadet in an accounting firm in Collins Street. The younger one works in our business as the dogs body and he is studying engineering full time. They were no smarter than the average.

    The key is they had no place to hide. Their home education on business continues every day. Higher education for the most part is dangerous because it trains them to be good little employees. Too many parents make the mistake of wanting to be their childrens friend and don't push them. Your not.... your the parent, there to guide and kick heads when needed. Your responsibility is to try and make them a better and smarter human being than you are. As we get older we all become negative because of the experiences of life.

    The pay back for you and us is that our children roll with the punches and they think and approach problems in a differnet mindset and we can learn from them too.

    To answer your question their future will partially depend on who they marry and the limits that they allow their partners to place on them. Our youngest first girlfriend was the woman from hell and he has moved on much the wiser. They both have very strong work ethics because they grew up in a household where the 9-5 Monday to Friday and monthly sickies were never the norm.

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    Had to chuckle at that, as I remember working with my son at midnight finalising work commitments. He now has his own business and, in my opine, wiser from his initial experience with Dad!
     
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    Sometimes I wonder.. you see kids these days spending more and more time learning a million new things, learning that working a million hours and having it instilled that the only way for a good life is to work your rear end off. Maybe it's part of the system you think you are fighting against.. it's actually embedding within you that the longer and harder you work to 'escape' the system, the better off in the future you will be.

    Harder working monkeys make for better slaves to the system that they don't even know is controlling them as they fight against it.
     
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    But by the same token, it instills values that ensure they don't end up like this either :

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    I've come from that... and worse.

    I'll fight to my last breath to avoid a similar fate for my children.
     
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    Hey!! leave my family out of this!!!
     
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    I think that total financial independence is the way to go.

    A roof over your family's head no one can kick you out of.

    Lots of income producing and capital growth assets and structured/no debt. And a nice stack of PMs.

    And giving your children a complete education, teaching them critical thinking, values and ethics.

    Ofcourse the "system" makes this as difficult as possible for everyone.

    The wealthy are better off and have more freedom and i'm saying this from personal experience as some of my extended family (not me unfortunately) is unbelievably wealthy. Others are barely surviving.

    In most cases too their wealth was created a long time ago, has been passed down and over 3-4 generations grown more and more.
     
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    Important point I believe.
     
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    I can't say I had really bad parents but they unfortunately had the peasant, slave mindset of do your work, obey your boss etc, etc... In fact, everyone surrounding me was like that, and I believe, Australian culture in general encourages it. This is not an entrepreneurial nation. It's a nation where everyone wants their cut of the mineral wealth regardless of whether they work to obtain it or not.

    It's taken me years to break out of that way of thinking. Childhood indoctrination is very hard to break free from. And that's assuming that you want to. But the entire system in Australia is set up to discourage entrepreneurial thinking. Rent-seeking, of minerals or property, via the govt, is highly encouraged to the detriment of everything else. Not that uncommon for countries rich in minerals and relatively low populations, they tend to set up a socialist system around it so sections of the country can feed off it for nothing, well in democracies anyway.
     
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    I find this statement is the antithesis of what we are trying to instill in our children. Its a bit like what I warned my kids about starting high school. The majority of your classmates will tell you its not cool to admit that you worked your but off to get good grades

    Be safe stick with the sheeple, don't take risks, don't borrow too much, listen to your peers who own nothing and have no idea where they are going in life. The majority of people are like this. They hate their job and it shows on the job. They love to belittle workmates who are more conscientious.

    When our children were choosing their first career we counselled them to choose something they were passionate about doing. You want a career where you spring out of bed in the morning and look forward to being the best at what you do.

    It means going to work and putting your head down and when you look up its hours past the time you should have gone home not because you have to but because your engrossed in what you do.

    Sadly this knocks out the vast majority of people because they tell themselves they will never be rich. They want security so they stick with friends who are like them. They actually hate what they do and in fact they are prostitutes because they spend their precious life time doing jobs they hate and live from pay cheque to pay cheque. They are wage slaves.

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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIJHJzDQcRM[/youtube]

    We are all made of thoughts according to the Unified Field Theorem. I don't necessarily subscribe to this theorem but it's something to keep in mind.
     
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    Some more . . .
    And a general resources slow down . . .
    The good news? HSBC reckons the AUD is 40% overvalued and expects a significant correction.

     
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    Soaring dollar my butt, I'd have to believe they are incapable of hedging. :p
     
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    I though that it was priceless hearing a Labor MP foaming at the mouth with self righteous indignation on the ABC this morning. He accused the Opposition of lying about the Carbon tax. Abbott had suggested that the Carbon Tax may have had something to do with Alcoa wanting to close it's plant, Aluminium smelting of course uses prodigious amounts of electricity. How dare the Opposition lie about the carbon tax he said. The opposition are so dishonest that they would stoop to telling lies about the tax that is based on the greatest piece of electoral fraud in Australia's history from the most consistent and calculating liar ever to hold public office.
     
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    The way things are going, we're going to have to survive on government payments.

    I'm assuming that since the government is NOT bringing in protectionist measures, that they are fine with all productivity leaving Australia and local businesses closing due to global competition.

    This is a possible outcome:
    -Australia becomes a large mine and farm for foreign entities: All workers are foreign
    -The government distributes the royalties to the citizens
    -Citizens do not work and consume by importing goods from overseas using the distributions

    So in a way, the government becomes our mum.
    They feed us, send us to school and look after our health and tell us what to do to be good boys and girls plus give us a weekly allowance which we can use to buy sweets from the convenience store over the ocean.

    They go to work in the morning by whoring themselves out to the rest of the world and we wait for them to come home in the evening to order pizza.

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    I think you are missing the metaphor a little. It is more like, we are the slave workers for the foreign plantation owners and the government is the slave master, reporting to their foreign owners on the productivity of their investments.

    That is why we have to love our servitude and government dependence and thoughts of individual liberty and independence are squashed so thoroughly. We are just a workforce to be controlled and it matters not who the controllers are because they all report to the same owners. Australian manufacturing is dead and there is no innovation outside of government sponsorship without it being sold to foreign owners.

    Australia has become the global example of "A Brave New World" and the plight of our children will be much worse than our own as the screws are continually tightened by legislative process unless things change.
     
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    People here talk about how Australia is becoming socialist.
    I'm trying to see how perhaps that may be the master plan.

    Whether the people will work or not depends.

    If they enforce it, then your scenario occurs.
    If they sit back and just collect the royalties, then they may not care what we do, as long as they get their cut (which seems to be all they care for anyway - even now).
     
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    Along with the rest of the world, we could do with a currency devaluation of about 20 percent.
    Something abut a 'race to the bottom'.
     
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    "Be safe and stick with the sheeple, don't take risks, don't borrow too much.." ... I'm surrounded by mining engineers obsessed with big incomes, more houses, GTO's and buying the next thing. They (seem) to love their work and know everything there is to know about their job.

    To me, these are the sheeple I am aware of. The one's that think work and money and 'individualism' is the key to success. IMO these are the ones setting themselves up for disappointment when obsession fulfilling their own needs takes over their lives.

    I'm into doing things because you like what you do.. but I am always aware, that no matter who you are, it can be stripped from you at any time. Building your life around how your children turned out (instilling all these beliefs, values etc) makes me wonder how you would react if any of them turned on you and decided it was better to be a sheep. Just curious - no attack intended, just to clarify.

    Warmest,
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    My goodness, here's another 500 gone.

     
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