Chinese medals - silver isn't the only composition!

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  1. andrewlee10

    andrewlee10 Well-Known Member Silver Stacker

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    Hi mmising,

    You might like to send email to Shanghai mints and ask them about this medal. Is that mints and issue by them? Generally , I did not come across that Shanghai mints Coa does state the retail price of the medal. In additional, the company stamp of Shanghai mints in the Coa is lack of the wording co., Ltd in china character.

    I might spot more things later after my breakfast of this medal
     
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    ^^^^in other words it is most likely a fake. :-(((
     
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  3. mmissinglink

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    Or a real medal but just not produced by the Shanghai Mint. In other words, a fake implies that there is a genuine item of the same design that is being imitated and reproduced specifically for the purpose of tricking people into believing that the reproduced item is the genuine one. If there is no genuine one to begin with, then there can be no fake.

    The description in the auction states nowhere that this medal is produced by the Shanghai Mint. Can there be a mint that has a similar name to the Shanghai mint? Sure. After all, all you have to do is a Google search and you will find dozens of links to comments about company names that are similar and legal.

    Of course, there can be medals made to look as if they are made from valuable metals but I doubt that some mint would go through the trouble of trying to create a medal that is not copper to look like copper....I just don't think the cost to do that would be ever recouped if they are charging $40 for a very large intricately detailed medal, plus free overseas shipping, plus a lined wood box, fancy printed paper box, and a COA.

    My guess is that the medal is real copper and that the design is original....not a replica of some Shanghai Mint medal. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide.


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    I think the design not from the official mints Shanghai mints. It can be orginal from this company.

    The definition of "fake" can be varies from person to person and situation to situation.

    I do not call this medal as fake if I follow your definition. Therefore, I ask to email the official mints Shanghai mints to verify keke.

    Others might view it as fake in their ditionary.

    Example, Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) did has trade marks and so on. A China chain restaurant use the word KFchicken and selling fried chicken. Is this call fake ?

    KFC say yes and the other party say no.

    In the end this case went to court.

    This is a realize court case in china. However I cannot remember the name use and the aurguement points there.
     
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    Your analogy is NOT a good one at all unless you can give clear evidence that the design of this medal is an exact or nearly identical one to a design of a medal the Shanghai Mint has produced.

    Otherwise, it is simply an original design by a mint with a similar name to the Shanghai Mint....which is not a fake medal....it's a real medal.



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    As you read my statement is I do not call this as fake but others might be. Why other might call or view it as fake because the company name is only less of a word "Ltd" in company in coa. In Chinese character the company name is fully identical or the same to the official mints of Shanghai mints but the company seal short of the word ltd. This is something to think the reason. Shanghai mints is reputable and well known and a company use the same name of them but different company seal by short of one wording "ltd" by producing an original design product. This this act on good faith ? What the purpose ? Is this consider and acceptable under legislation and social ? Personally I like the design to be frank.

    It have copied and paste few similar design of same topics of some official mints in China into one medal. Let me dip the photo next week and post here. However, copy partially and put into one still consider orginal for me.

    Therefore I quote the case of kfc.
     
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    Sorry for the delay...the seller on eBay for the beautiful Transit of Venus medals is: starryguo



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    That the greatwall and the pillar by Shanghai mints

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    This is the circulate coin of celebration of the china nation building anniv. This is not high relief. :(

    I come across the prominent building in in same medal and coins. However, I cannot find it.
     
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    ^ What metal are they?




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    Same topic china national building of 65 and 35 annive.
     
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    ^ :) No, not what medal, what metal are they....clad, silver, copper, alloy?.




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    Silver and brass.
     
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    These have now been graded by NGC just waiting to get them back i will try to post pictures of them.
    Copper came in at MS69RB and the Brass at MS69
    Not 70's but still happy with them.:)
     
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    That consider good grade for this medal
     
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    Good for you Elkslayer!!
     
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  18. mmissinglink

    mmissinglink Active Member

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    If 69 is the best grade for these medals, then that's basically like having an MS68 graded Morgan silver dollar....it's as fine an example as it gets.



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    Or like having a 68 Happy Boy / Gordon Money! :lol:
     
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    Happy Boy is a secret mercenary killer from the Twelve Pythons of Shenyang society. :eek:




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