1966 ROUND 50 CENTS,1937 ONE CROWN 1925 ONE FLORIN FILLER TOKENS NON COINS X3

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Halfgram

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Never seen fake 1966 coins before listed

EBay seller
Wayne's Coin World (1034)

He does at least say they are “filler coins” just thought I’d make members aware.
I really don’t like these “fake / filler” eBay sellers.

On a side note; I thought since the round 50cent is still legal tender (spendable) he may find himself getting done if it was reported.
 

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Damn that 50c round looks very convincing!
Crowns and florins have had fakes in the past but never heard of fake 1966 50c rounds.
Perhaps these are all new fakes coming out of China.

Ebay should be charged for allowing so many fakes being listed and sold.
Even if the listing says 'copy' or 'filler' or whatever, obviously people are buying these to con the next person they try to sell to, not to put it in their collection album as a 'filler'! Easy and cheap enough to get genuine versions of these coins even if in poor condition.
 
GoldenEye said:
He does make it very clear that they are fakes and contain no silver, so is not trying to deceive anyone.
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Does anybody really believe these coins are "TO VALUABLE TO GET NOW" and "AND WILL FILL THE MISSING SLOT IN YOUR COLLECTION" ?

Somebody down the line will get ripped off - seller knows this and doesn't care.

I don't bother with ebay any more because of so many listings trying to scam people with fakes or selling fakes so others can scam.
 
Their complicant in facilitating fraud because... It profits them (both the sellers, and ebay)

Its not like their arent methods they could leverage to flag/identify (Regex, AI or HIRE people [OMG]), assess and peanalise sellers of such (warning > increased ongoing sellers premium > revoke account) and they obviously do this for...
Weapons, Drugs, PII, counterfit USD... etc.

Honestly nobody buying filler coins to be used as a filler, fully expect all "fillers" to be onsold elsewhere.

Cops should do a sting, get media attention, and then group action lawsuit against ebay to enact harsher resale practices.

Whats the phase: "Den of theves"?
Bloody snakes everywhere.
 
GoldenEye said:
He does make it very clear that they are fakes and contain no silver, so is not trying to deceive anyone.
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People buy imitation or repro stuff all the time. I have a fake Rolex, looks great, but I'm not paying $20k to buy a genuine one.

It's free enterprise. Up to the buyer whether they want it or not.
 
trew said:
Does anybody really believe these coins are "TO VALUABLE TO GET NOW" and "AND WILL FILL THE MISSING SLOT IN YOUR COLLECTION" ?

Somebody down the line will get ripped off - seller knows this and doesn't care.

I don't bother with ebay any more because of so many listings trying to scam people with fakes or selling fakes so others can scam.
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...but he is selling (a) counterfeit coin(s) knowingly.
Azure said:
Their complicant in facilitating fraud because... It profits them (both the sellers, and ebay)

Its not like their arent methods they could leverage to flag/identify (Regex, AI or HIRE people [OMG]), assess and peanalise sellers of such (warning > increased ongoing sellers premium > revoke account) and they obviously do this for...
Weapons, Drugs, PII, counterfit USD... etc.

Honestly nobody buying filler coins to be used as a filler, fully expect all "fillers" to be onsold elsewhere.

Cops should do a sting, get media attention, and then group action lawsuit against ebay to enact harsher resale practices.

Whats the phase: "Den of theves"?
Bloody snakes everywhere.
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"Their complicant" - please explain what you mean...
 
Ludwig V.Mises said:
People buy imitation or repro stuff all the time. I have a fake Rolex, looks great, but I'm not paying $20k to buy a genuine one.

It's free enterprise. Up to the buyer whether they want it or not.
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While a fake Rolex might infringe copyright, in this case all three coins are still Australian legal tender so any fake made of them is illegal under the currency act.

So this guy is selling illegal products.
Same with silver kooks, koalas etc. - they are also legal tender so fakes of those are illegal.
 
SULLA said:
...but he is selling (a) counterfeit coin(s) knowingly.
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Yes he is selling an illegal product knowingly. It is against the law.

A fake Perth Mint kilo bar would be a copyright infringement of the Perth Mint logo, but selling a fake of a circulating coin is a crime.

Police worry when people spend fake $50 notes at shops but this seems to not be a concern even though a 1937 crown is worth more than $50.
 
trew said:
While a fake Rolex might infringe copyright, in this case all three coins are still Australian legal tender so any fake made of them is illegal under the currency act.

So this guy is selling illegal products.
Same with silver kooks, koalas etc. - they are also legal tender so fakes of those are illegal.
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The government is corrupt.

They print money out of thin air and destroy peoples hard work and savings costing billions. They have destroyed countless lives, businesses, and injured or killed 1000's of our fellow country men, women and children, whilst stomping them into the ground through inflation and poverty.

I would let this slide personally, what is it, a $32 coin? You going to put someone in jail over $30? It's going to cost at least 10 times that in taxpayer money just to feed, clothes, house and monitor said person.

I'd rather see our MPs or senators behind bars for life sentences for waste, fraud, and abuse, maybe it might teach them a thing or 2 about stealing public funds.
 
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Ludwig V.Mises said:
I would let this slide personally, what is it, a $32 coin? You going to put someone in jail over $30? It's going to cost at least 10 times that in taxpayer money just to feed, clothes, house and monitor said person.
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You wouldn't mind then if you are sold fakes by somebody who bought from these ebay sellers.
They've got your money and you've got worthless metal.
Just let it slide.

There are lots of fake 1oz gold coins/bars too.
Just did a quick ebay search and the 4th item was a 1oz gold bar in Perth Mint certicard selling for $40.
Sure it states it's not real, but that's most likely somebody else getting ripped off for thousands in the future.
 
trew said:
You wouldn't mind then if you are sold fakes by somebody who bought from these ebay sellers.
They've got your money and you've got worthless metal.
Just let it slide.

There are lots of fake 1oz gold coins/bars too.
Just did a quick ebay search and the 4th item was a 1oz gold bar in Perth Mint certicard selling for $40.
Sure it states it's not real, but that's most likely somebody else getting ripped off for thousands in the future.
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Caveat emptor is a Latin phrase meaning "let the buyer beware". It is a traditional contract law principle. It places the legal and financial responsibility on the purchaser to inspect, test, and verify the quality or condition of a product or property before completing a sale.

If the seller has indicated that the coins are not genuine and you choose to buy them, that's on you.

You are not a child and you don't need to have your hand held by the government when buying or selling something online.

Yes there are fakes out there, but guess what, it doesn't bother me because I get things tested and I would advise anyone who is buying anything that looks like bullion to get it tested.
 
In the sence that its foreseeable, its good to know there out the because as above.. "buyer beware"...

But its still foreseeable that the original sellers disclaimer isnt at all necessary for the next person to pass on.

Imo.. theirs multiple ways to solve this problem...

The current one, is we all get xrf/specific purity testing methods and apply them at every sale (or.. post items with purity checks because once is sold, shipped and delivered, your $$ is already in their pocket.)

2. Obvious privy stamp. Duh.. (but i want my fake one to look exactly like a real one in my collection... )

3. Ban it... counterfits are still copyies of an original. If those originals are branded, currency, or meet a standard, and the copy immitates the brand, currency, or circumvents meeting the standards i think thats a moral issue society should obviously: do away with because who bloody cares... buy a coke at maccas get soda water syrup glub... same thing right?
Wanna wear plastic-gold? Wanna wear a branded thing thats not the brand? Want someone using your business name to trade and do a dodgy job, sell not fit for purpose products? Its morally wrong till theirs a law then its actually wrong right?

4. Crimes (Currency) Act 1981
Enforce the law... its exactly what separates: the vainity of plastic gold, from the branded/standard, vs the insanity of running a business that others can just freely claim to operate under.
In that case its fraud because theirs a law for it... imagine NOT enforcing laws..
 
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