Will there be another Ag slap down?

SULLA

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Ladies and Gentlemen, i have a thought to express re the current silver surge.

Historically whenever we saw surges with silver the rise ended in a substantial fall back to Base Camp.

Circumstances are somewhat different today with demand for silver from numerous industrial sectors which have only recently developed.

We are in a very unique environment with the various demands on silver.

Considering how historically silver gets belted down after reaching new highs, I am predicting that the "SWAMP" is at this very moment working on sending the Ag price back to early 2025 levels.

I have no evidence to support this view except to highlight silver's rises and falls over the past nearly 50 years.

I predict a major correction in the Ag price, perhaps back to 50% of current value
before it goes to the moon.

Any thoughts?
 
China has firewalled its exports.
The Chinese price is much higher than the price outside.
Therefore > arbitrage opportunities.

Unlikely that this is "managed high" for the purpose of setting up a "secret long squeeze", since they are the longs...

At present (short term at least), Bloomberg commodities re-indexing has encourage funds that track it to sell.
The price initially dropped, but then rose and made new ATH.
This isnt a new thing, known well in advance, just like options expiration dates.

Dealers who hold physical in volume hedge in shorts to avoid exposure:
But managed money shorts invest in a fall in the price (generally unbacked):

Also: Copper, Lead and Zinc prices are UP...
So the silver price is not so high that the base metal miners are overproducing to deliver the "critical demand"... yet.

Left over lichorish jelly beans no more... but the normies are still trading like its the hot shit?
Production is up, but news of its demand?

Still doesnt answer the question, but it blew through 42 a long time ago.
Trump media buys fusion company, but hates hydrogen tech...
What are you going to store all of the "free energy" in batteries? Or are you going to convert water to storable fuel at 80%+ efficency and save the solar silver for more tocamaks?

I dont see free energy coming for at least a decade...
Platinum is still less than gold.
 
I have always thought that the price of silver was being manipulated to keep it low, so that people would have confidence in fiat currency and give up hard currency. That's why I was buying it, I figured one day they would get caught and silver would find its true price. Plus I enjoy a good conspiracy theory.

The way I thought they did this was to sell precious metals from the stockpile, flood the market to bring the price down and everyone would lose confidence and invest somewhere else. That's why the bank of England sold all their gold at the same time instead of drip feeding the market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2002_sale_of_British_gold_reserves

I turns out I was sort of right but they didn't even have to sell silver from the stockpile, they just pretended to and at the last minute cancelled all the orders: https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/8260-20

But now they have run out of their stockpiles and they have been caught spoofing so that is going to be harder to pull off again.

Margin hikes have caused a lot of traders to sell silver as they are over leveraged (according to the Asian Guy) and that has hapenned 3-4 times over Christmas and it only kept the price down for a day. The supposed crash after the Bloomberg re-indexing didn't seem to happen so I guess the usual ways of manipulating the price down are done.

So now if the big companies want to make money by manipulating the market they are going to have to do it by manipulating the market upwards, and although I don't approve of that, it would make up for the last 8 years of sideways suppression.
 

“Will there be another Ag slap down?”​


No doubt. The question I ask myself is do I buy, hold or sell? I wear very small pants in this market and have no control over the price. ATM holding. Expect continued volatility over the next week or so. I believe Chinese New year celebrations with reduced trading around this time. The biggest bullion Banks have had the opportunity to “balance their books”. Large PM consumers would have to be considering if and when to lock in future supply costs. Companies that produce still operating with very healthy margins! Also noted on another forum some local Bullion Dealers halting/restricting trading for the moment. We live in interesting times!!!
 
So anybody have thoughts on increasing stocks small-time while the 'correction' is on? Seems weird to me adding at AUD$130ish when the majority of my stack all came from the sub $30 era and briefly hit ~7 times that last week. Is the consensus now that it will stabilise at I dunno, AUD$100-$120 and then continue a more logical upward trend or all bets are off still?
 
Considering bullion dealers are delisting stock and clearly want to wait for things to calm down would suggest that further turbulence is ahead.

Perthmint live prices - well not sure where this data is from. Clearly different to other global live prices.

It is a lesson for us all that when things go crazy our ability to trade these metals can be severely restricted.

Having SilverStackers available is a saving grace for which i am very happy about. A lot more sanity prevailing here even despite some enthusiastic moonshot estimations. Well done @SilverSerf in your purchases. Yes it would seem a tough choice to purchase in such a market.
 
I believe in the theory of "Dollar Cost Averaging" (DCA). Buy a litte here and there and then ascertain your true price over a period of time which suits you.

I DCAd over 6 years from 02/2012 with an overrall average of A$20 for a few thousand ounces.
Wish i had tham all today!




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So anybody have thoughts on increasing stocks small-time while the 'correction' is on? Seems weird to me adding at AUD$130ish when the majority of my stack all came from the sub $30 era and briefly hit ~7 times that last week. Is the consensus now that it will stabilise at I dunno, AUD$100-$120 and then continue a more logical upward trend or all bets are off still?
DYODD has always been the prevailing paradigm in silver, that said, I have been bullish and so my sentament remains at this time.
I would say that the last top at ~$170 AUD was a pretty decent run up, and given the global scenarios probibly enough to satisfy a nice future reference a top after breaking that ATH $50 barriar in 80 and 11.

I wouldn't expect a retest of that for a while; but short term, especially since the price is testing bottoms circa the low of the "Bloomberg index re-adjustment" fortnight in Janurary, and the levels just before the chirsmas spike when many dealers were closed for the holidays, and not having been 1 full month. I'd expect volitility is biased to the downside in the short term.

We are not privy to who bought all the Bloomberg index adjustment volume during Janurary. only that expectations at that time were of a potential for a large drop, which did not occur. many were advised to exit. perhaps this is the way the big guns try to ensure everyone get an equal share on exit.... by delaying large volumes till end of the month to prevent first in best dressed from getting advantage... and spamming information so nobody even remembers that even occured... china DID halt trading just before the crash, and they may have been privy to the event before it occured, whether it was initiated by them, by the west, or in colaboration orchestrated in advanced...

i.e: It may have all been bought by a market maker short term and held deliberately to sell at a higher price, short term futures that expired without delivery, or in combination with a short.

A lot of silver has moved around in the market. and i expect with all the changes to policies and trade that predictions are unreliable at best.
Conjecture is as good as data, so I doubt my own thoughts on the matter, but I'm holding here, and if the price goes sideways, will be looking at premiums for rare items rather than spot moving forward from here in the secondary market, because i dont believe that a virtual car, a new car, a classic and a crushed cube should all trade at the "average car price" to a market that is short cars, and is looking for them.
and certainly not back to a dealer who wont consider that 2 prices for paper silver (shanghi and the west) is a reliable trading reference if the item is the physical and not the paper.

Otherwise they can hedge my order and actually trade on the premiums and not on guilt tripping like they have full exposure to metal movements without a measure to account for that. we can look at what they are getting for the same item for resale back to the public... if they aren't also sending the metal overseas anyway. and we can barter on the premiums from there...
if i even walk throught the door with it.
i could probibly get a better price selling it to the queue at the door.
 
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