Your SUPER (tax) that you wont see one cent of!

Yippe-Ki-Ya

New Member
Right Again, and Sick of it!

I'm sick of being right on this.

Just once I'd like to make a prediction about it and be wrong.

But no. Each time I explain to you what will happen, it happens.

The only thing you could accuse me of is being too conservative with the predictions.

For instance, two weeks ago I wrote:

'The attack on your retirement savings is set to be a big story in 2013, especially leading up to next year's budget.'

What was I thinking? 2013? I was a fool for thinking it would take that long...because the latest attack on retirement savings happened on Monday.

For three years I've warned about the government's plans to take your retirement savings. From the outset, brain-washed statists and government-lovers called me a lunatic.

But I knew (unfortunately) that I was on the right track...and that the government was on the money-grabbing track.

Well, this week Treasurer Wayne Swan revealed the government's next grab for your retirement savings.

Here are two headlines from yesterday's Australian Financial Review (AFR):

'Super levy goes up after a fall'

'Dormant money turned to gold'

What do you make of those?

What message do they convey?

I don't know about you, but I don't get a sense of the government undertaking one of the biggest thefts of personal property in Australian history.

To me those headlines sound more like something out of a fairy tale or nursery rhyme...'Jack and Jill go up the hill after a fall'...'Midas turns money to gold'...'and everyone lived happily ever after'.

But the truth is far different.

This isn't a fairy tale. This isn't a stinking nursery rhyme. This is the Australian federal government stealing your money.

And aside from the tax system, it's the biggest and most brazen transfer of wealth from individuals to the State that I've seen in a long time.

Under new rules, the government is set to get its hands on $675 million of private property. How? Let me explain...

Until now, the government only considered that super was 'lost' if the fund manager hadn't been able to contact the fund member after five years of trying. Even then, it was only 'lost' if the balance was less than $200.

But now, in an extraordinary example of private property theft, super is 'lost' if the fund loses contact with the member after 12 months. On top of that, the government will swipe any 'lost super' if the balance is anything up to $2,000.

In isolation this doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's a huge deal.

As the Age reports:

'With the nation's lost super accounts holding about $17 billion, the change will deliver to the budget $675 million in savings over the next four years.'

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm dumb, but how is taking private property from someone a saving for the government? It's like saying if I steal $20 from your pocket, I've somehow saved $20. What about the $20 you've lost?

I'll say it again: this is theft. It's the theft of private property by the government.

Yet the press spins it as a saving for the government. It prints fairy tale and nursery rhyme headlines. And isn't the government clever? It's raising fees and turning someone else's money into gold for their budget.

Isn't Mr Swan smart?

But look at the above quote again. There's $17 billion held in 'lost super' accounts. That's accounts holding more than $2,000.

Given the slowing world economy and the government's efforts to keep the budget in surplus, do you really believe it will be long before the government starts licking its lips over $17 billion?

Look out for the gradual ratcheting up of the definition of lost super. Until Monday morning it was $200 and no contact between fund and member in five years. By Monday afternoon it had increased to $2,000 and no contact between fund and member in one year.

So get ready for this to rise...$3,000...$4,000...$5,000.

And soon enough the government will just take all super that's 'lost', whatever the amount and for however long it's been lost. Then the government will do away with super completely, and replace it with a government pension. More on that later.

But back to the press reports...

Fairy Tales and Nursery Rhymes

How does the mainstream press report this theft? That's right, they give you fairy tale and nursery rhyme headlines and stories.

Take this quote in the Australian Financial Review [AFR] from Yasser El-Ansary, general manager at the Institute of Chartered Accountants Australia:

'The government might have been surprised when they reached down the back of the budget couch and found a billion dollars in revenue they never thought was there.'


Oh, nice one. Good joke. That's funny.

Is he kidding? Reaching 'down the back of the budget couch'?

The Treasurer isn't reaching down the back of the couch to find money...the Treasurer is reaching into the pocket of private citizens and taking their money. The Treasurer is taking private property.

The Treasurer is reaching in to your pocket. And if he hasn't yet, don't feel too smug, because it's only a matter of time before he does.

And the reason the government didn't realise the revenue was there is because it wasn't there...until the government decided to take it.

But that's not where the government deception ends. The willing participants in the press...the reporters who are more interested in getting invites to government press briefings and luncheons than they are in telling you the truth, are happy to print the government's spin. Take this from the Age:

'The unclaimed money will be held in trust by the government, but members can reclaim their lost funds from the tax office.'

Oh, that's nice...keeping it in trust. How kind. It'll be safe there.

If only it was true, but it isn't.

Yet again, the mainstream press picks up a government press release and assumes the government is telling the truth.

The 'lost super' money won't be 'held in trust' at all. The money goes to consolidated revenue. This is the government's spending money.

Only a clown would think the government would swipe $675 million and then stick it in a bank account...or a term deposit. The government can't buy votes if it doesn't spend your money.

The budget is the government's takings and outgoings. The 'lost super' cash is part of its takings. It will use this money to spend on its outgoings.

The government won't hold the money. In fact, the words 'trust' and 'government' are mutually exclusive. You can't trust the government with a cent, let alone $675 million.

You see, the government hopes that the 'lost super' will stay lost. It hopes that those who 'lost' it or forgot about it will never wish to find or remember it.

That means the government will never have to repay it.

But it gets even worse. Not only will the government take private property without the consent of the owner, but the cash will no longer be invested in potentially profitable assets (shares, bonds, property, etc)...

Investors Forced into Aussie Government's Ponzi Scam

Instead, the government will pay a return based on the consumer price index (CPI). The current CPI? Well, officially it's 1.2%. Although as you should know, the real inflation rate is closer to 5% than 1%.

As I say, that doesn't matter because the government hopes no-one will ever claim their 'lost' super.

But here's the problem. What the government has done is create an investment vehicle that we would never get a licence to run if you or I created it.

And if we did get a licence, it wouldn't be long before the regulator would close us down and charge us with fraud.

The fact is the theft of private property and savings means the government has created a Ponzi scheme.

A Ponzi scheme is any financial scheme that promises a return by using other people's money rather than by making genuine investments.

That's the only way to describe this.

The government is promising to pay a return on an investment even though there's no invested capital (because the government has spent it), and even though there's no actual return (again, because the capital no longer exists for it to generate a return).

It was this kind of investment scheme (scam) that resulted in Bernie Madoff receiving a 150-year prison sentence.

It saw Allen Stanford get a 110-year prison sentence.

And closer to home, Geelong-based investment manager Graeme Hoy got a 13-years and nine months prison sentence for running a Ponzi scheme.

Yet the government runs a 'lost super' Ponzi scheme and what does it get? That's right, fairy tale and nursery rhyme headlines from Australia's timid, pathetic and dying press.

The press which is more interested in the advertising revenue it gets from the government than it is on reporting on the government's legalised private property theft.

But if that was all the government planned to do that would be bad enough. But it's not. There's more...

Regulating to Submission

Not satisfied with swiping 'lost super', the government wants to grab the super people know about. This is the other leg of the government's plan to return retirement savings back onto the government's balance sheet.

As the AFR quietly reported:

'The federal government said on Monday the annual levy on self-managed funds would rise to $259 from 201314, compared with $191 this year.'

There are 478,000 self-managed super funds (SMSFs). That's an extra $32.5 million transferred from private wealth to the government's coffers.

And it comes just a week after the Treasury released details of new regulations on SMSFs:

'The SMSF auditor registration regulations will implement the Government's reforms relating to auditors of SMSFs as part of Stronger Super. The Regulations will specify various requirements that must be satisfied by all auditors of SMSFs as well as the transitional arrangements that will apply to existing, highly experienced and competent approved auditors.'

The SMSF industry is a thorn in the side to the government, trade unions, and the funds management industry.

As I pointed out in Money Weekend on 15 September, superannuation was never about helping people save for retirement. It was a ruse to give trade unions more control over business and financial markets.

To prove it, we showed you this quote from the 28 September, 1989 edition of the Sydney Morning Herald:

'The Treasurer, Mr Keating, has urged the trade union movement to use the billions of dollars generated by superannuation over the next 20 years to increase its own industrial clout.


'Mr Keating told [trade union] Congress delegates that the development of union-run superannuation funds would give the union movement "institutional muscle" to supplement its already substantial industrial strength.

'He suggested that the additional clout could prove a potent weapon against conservative administrations intent on eroding the power of the union movement.

'In a "hostile political environment", unions could flex their institutional muscle in the financial sector instead of simply "passing motions in the trades hall", he said.'

See, the ability for you to save for retirement was the last thing on the mind of politicians and trade unionists. It was (and still is) all about control...and using your money as the means to control you.

Well, now that SMSFs account for nearly half a trillion dollars-worth of assets, the government wants to regain control. One of its best methods (short of outright theft) is to increase costs and regulations for SMSFs.

That's what the increase in the super levy and auditing regulation is all about.

And by my reckoning, the government is two-thirds through the process of governing superannuation. As former US president Ronald Reagan said:

'If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.'

The next stage is to subsidize. That's exactly what the government will do after it kills superannuation. That's when the government will expropriate all private retirement wealth in return for people receiving an equitable government-funded super-pension.

What's that? You scrimped and saved your whole life...tough luck, you don't deserve any more than the person who blew every cent of their wages and never saved a penny...it's only fair.

Saving You from the Government

As I said at the top of this letter, I'm sick of being proven right time and again on this issue. I hate it. This is the one issue where I wish I was wrong, and that the government wasn't after your savings.

You wouldn't believe the amount of grief, scorn and abuse I received when I first warned Australians of the government's plans three years ago.

It would be much easier if I was like the mainstream press and just forgot about it, or played the issue down. It would be easier to give you fairy tale headlines and tell you that the government loves and cares for you.

The government is making a gradual play for your private savings. That's why I'm doing all I can to warn you. It's why I started this newsletter. I'm not doing this for fun. I'm doing this because I care about freedom and I care that the government is intent on violently robbing you of your wealth.

Kris Sayce


Kris nails it yet again!!! :lol:
 
yippee it's a sad fact but yes super is a tax and an institution where the rich, in the past have managed some impressive nest eggs through very low contributions tax. So when the statist regime takes over we can only expect an evening out of this wealth, its only fair right? I just hope they introduce a law that protects our overlords from any such pillage, otherwise the marxist ideals will not of been achieved.
 
What a complete crock of sh*t.

The government isn't stealing lost super, they're taking it away from the super funds that whittle it down to nothing through fees and hold it in trust until the owner can be located.

The funds are being transferred to the ATO who have data matching facilities that are better able to find the owners of the lost money.

They're also paying an interest rate on it equal to the CPI.


So...funds taken permanently as fees by big financial institutions vs. funds being borrowed temporarily by the government until they can be returned to the rightful owner.

Yeah, sure, clearly the second option is terrible.
</sarcasm>

What a complete idiot.
 
Big A.D. said:
What a complete crock of sh*t.

The government isn't stealing lost super, they're taking it away from the super funds that whittle it down to nothing through fees and hold it in trust until the owner can be located.

The funds are being transferred to the ATO who have data matching facilities that are better able to find the owners of the lost money.

They're also paying an interest rate on it equal to the CPI.


So...funds taken permanently as fees by big financial institutions vs. funds being borrowed temporarily by the government until they can be returned to the rightful owner.

Yeah, sure, clearly the second option is terrible.
</sarcasm>

What a complete idiot.

What's the bet no more than 2% of owners will be found?

Gov knows full well this cash will be theirs in a few years. And I bet there will be no effort made to track down real owners.

If you haven't been reading the news lately Gov is in panic mode trying to balance the budget. This isn't an altruistic venture to save people from nasty super fund fees.
 
Big A.D. said:
What a complete crock of sh*t.

The government isn't stealing lost super, they're taking it away from the super funds that whittle it down to nothing through fees and hold it in trust until the owner can be located.

The funds are being transferred to the ATO who have data matching facilities that are better able to find the owners of the lost money.

They're also paying an interest rate on it equal to the CPI.


So...funds taken permanently as fees by big financial institutions vs. funds being borrowed temporarily by the government until they can be returned to the rightful owner.

Yeah, sure, clearly the second option is terrible.
</sarcasm>

What a complete idiot.

You're really rather slow to catch on aren't you?? :lol:
 
So its either:
option a) the super funds eat the money away with their fees, or
option b) inflation eats away the money because the government is only giving you 2% interest.
 
Big A.D. said:
So...funds taken permanently as fees by big financial institutions vs. funds being borrowed temporarily by the government until they can be returned to the rightful owner.

Yeah, sure, clearly the second option is terrible.

Honestly, I'd trust the financial institutions more than the current government with anything that was mine. Presently, I think the institutions are more honest. :)
 
goldpelican said:
If that's a copy of Money Morning or another article, please wrap it in quotes.

You know it's not yippe's work, too many lines without one pice of abuse for Big AD or reno. :rolleyes:

But yeh, makes it easier to read if it's in quotes.
 
willrocks said:
What's the bet no more than 2% of owners will be found?

Gov knows full well this cash will be theirs in a few years. And I bet there will be no effort made to track down real owners.

If you haven't been reading the news lately Gov is in panic mode trying to balance the budget. This isn't an altruistic venture to save people from nasty super fund fees.

(a) At the moment the money is "lost" so if 2% of people get their funds back that's 2% more than now. The institutional fund managers haven't been that successful in tracking people down anyway.

(b) Title to the lost funds doesn't ever get transferred to the government. It will be held in trust for the owners until they comes to collect it.

(c) The money is "lost", so if it can be put to good use balancing the budget until the owners can be reunited with their funds, I don't really see where the problem is.

(d) Again, the funds either disappear forever through fees or they get borrowed until the owners are located. Honestly, it isn't difficult to see which is the better outcome for the owners.
 
Big A.D. said:
willrocks said:
What's the bet no more than 2% of owners will be found?

Gov knows full well this cash will be theirs in a few years. And I bet there will be no effort made to track down real owners.

If you haven't been reading the news lately Gov is in panic mode trying to balance the budget. This isn't an altruistic venture to save people from nasty super fund fees.

(a) At the moment the money is "lost" so if 2% of people get their funds back that's 2% more than now.

(b) Title to the lost funds doesn't ever get transferred to the government. It will be held in trust for the owners until they comes to collect it.

(c) The money is "lost", so if it can be put to good use balancing the budget until the owners can be reunited with their funds, I don't really see where the problem is.

(d) Again, the funds either disappear forever through fees or they get borrowed until the owners are located. Honestly, it isn't difficult to see which is the better outcome for the owners.

And this altruistic move by the Government just happens to come about when they need the cash?

They won't be making a concerted effort to find members as you suggested. My guess is they'll snowball owners with paperwork if they ever attempt to claim those funds.

It's a slippery slope when the Government starts taking private citizen's assets. Regardless of whether they're lost, unattended, or will get eaten away by fees.

What next, will they want to 'borrow' a percentage of my super because I fall into some criteria. What about my bank account that hasn't been touched in 12 months, would they want that too? Where does it end?
 
The level of cognitive dissonance in this thread is mind-boggling.

"The government is borrowing money I was too lazy to keep track of so the big super funds don't take it through fees and charges. I hate the government".


Seriously, this is one of the rare occasions where the government is stepping in to stop people getting f*cked over by the finance industry and, you know, actually doing the right thing by the citizenry for a change, and you lot bag them for it. Get a grip for Pete's sake. It's not like you have to look very far for actual cases of gross incompetence.
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
mmm....shiney! said:
You know it's not yippe's work, too many lines without one pice of abuse for Big AD or reno. :rolleyes:

bit of a snide remark - even for you :rolleyes:

Man your skin is getting thinner by the week, lighten up brother! I think I used the wrong smiley, shoulda been :P or :cool: or even :D and if that didn't work :)
 
Big A.D. said:
The level of cognitive dissonance in this thread is mind-boggling.

"The government is borrowing money I was too lazy to keep track of so the big super funds don't take it through fees and charges. I hate the government".


Seriously, this is one of the rare occasions where the government is stepping in to stop people getting f*cked over by the finance industry and, you know, actually doing the right thing by the citizenry for a change, and you lot bag them for it. Get a grip for Pete's sake. It's not like you have to look very far for actual cases of gross incompetence.

Mate as good ole rootin tootin Ronald Regan said. When you hear that fateful phrase "we are from the government and we are here to help you"...be worried be very,very worried.

How the f@#k is the gubermint doing the right thing stealing money that lets be clear is not lost if it is under 5 years by putting it into consolidated revenue to p!$$ up against the wall.

Instead of draining the SMSF's they could use some of the unclaimed funds to teach the fiscal pygmies how to set up an SMSF but then that would disadvantage your industry fund mates who are on the workers teat.

If they were for real they would set up a trust fund like the Liberals did with the sale of telstra to pay for all the unfunded commonwealth civil service superannuation

Remember that? And what are those criminal labor party stooges doing with the future fund?

No big AD what is mind boggling is your defence of our kleptomaniac faries,,,aka the labor party; bankrupt in policy and totally immoral.

Kind Regards
non recourse
 
Back
Top