Young people ripped off by cash-in-hand work

Dogmatix

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So, on the recent topics of:

How retirees rort the pension
http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-31373-how-retirees-rort-the-pension.html

and

Australian wallets stuffed with cash
http://forums.silverstackers.com/topic-31328-australian-wallets-stuffed-with-cash.html

Comes another venture into the 'cash economy': (I bolded some parts for emphasis)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-26/one-in-four-young-people-working

Young people ripped off by cash-in-hand work

New research shows one in four young people are illegal workers, being paid cash in hand by employers dodging the tax system.

The research, commissioned by the Victorian Trades Hall Council and the Australian Council of Trade Unions and provided exclusively to triple j's Hack, shows young people are being ripped off and sometimes put in danger.

"The areas where we know these jobs are being used are less likely to be unionised, they're less likely to have Occupational Health and Safety representation and these jobs mean people are getting underpaid," Keelia Fitzpatrick, a youth officer with the council, told Hack.

"So they're overall detrimental, despite casual employment being convenient.

"It is quite concerning given how prevalent it is amongst young workers."

Nate, 23, has experienced how dangerous being a black market employee can be.

He was injured while working as a builder's assistant.

"We were putting up the second floor to a house and we were putting together the walls. I was holding it together and he's fired the nail gun and its gone straight through the wood and into my hand," he said.

"It drew blood. He just laughed and said 'just pull it out, you'll be right'.

"It took a few days to heal up."

The research found:

One in four people aged between 18 and 30 have recently done cash-in-hand work.
Being off-the-books impacts on young people receiving:
- penalty rates
- superannuation
- annual leave
- sick leave
- job and or skills training.
34 per cent of cash-in-hand workers did so for less than three months.
14 per cent did so for more than two years.

It was not the only time Nate had a close call on the job. One day he nearly fell off the second storey of a house.

"A wind picked up and I was holding a piece of wood, the wind has picked up the framework and pushed it over (the side of the house)," he said.

"I couldn't hold it and I let it go in the end because I wasn't going over for anybody."

Nate was not using any safety gear at the time and quit the job shortly after that.
'Lowering standards'

Ms Fitzpatrick says the union movement is worried that cash-in-hand employment could be lowering standards.

"Off the books employment is another level of unsafe and insecure employment that we're concerned is going to impact not just people individually in their safety and their conditions at work but the industries that they're working in more broadly," she said.

"We're worried that it is going to undercut standards in these industries where young people do work."

She is calling on the Federal Government to act.

"It's illegal so we would like to think the Federal Government will take notice of this issue because it does facilitate people rorting systems like Youth Allowance, but the bigger picture is this work is increasingly looking like its unsafe."

One student who did not want to be named says he likes cash-in-hand because he does not want to worry about going over the tax-free threshold and losing part of his Youth Allowance.

"Not having to declare for tax reasons is really helpful, because it helps you work when you want to... it's good for flexibility," he said.

The Australia Institute's executive director, Dr Richard Dennis, says there is a common misconception among young people about how much tax they will have to pay.

"There's a big tax free threshold and most students probably don't go past that... and then you're only paying 15 per cent tax on money over that threshold."

Shaun, a restaurant owner who called into Hack, says people often approach him hoping for cash-in-hand employment.

"I think it's interesting this statement that it's about not knowing their rights... quite often we find it's people who know how to manipulate the system."
'Not always illegal'

Dr Dennis says you can be paid cash in hand legitimately, but that is not usually the case for young people.

"There are some grey areas there, but in a nutshell your employer is required to deduct tax from your pay if you're an employee and most people working in hospitality and retail are likely to be classified as employees," he said.

The Australian Taxation Office's senior assistant commissioner for the cash economy, Michael Hardy, agrees that businesses can use cash to play employees.

"But if you don't pay your tax and you use cash to hide what is owing in relation to either your own business or your employees, that's where we get concerned, that's where we intervene," he said.

He says the ATO has ways of tracking down both employers who are doing the wrong thing.

"We can look at all the businesses in an industry and see the ones who are doing the right thing, they all group together, and all the ones doing something different, they stick out statistically," he said.

"If we go to a supplier and we know that a business if buying enough coffee beans for 1000 coffees are day, but only apparently selling 500, we'll go and have a talk to them."

He says if people are caught avoiding their tax bill, they can be forced to pay it back, or in the worst case scenarios, prosecuted.
 
shadow economy will keep growing i reckon as more and more taxes get introduced; small bussiness can only survive that way in todays times
 
Stopped taking it seriously here:

The research, commissioned by the Victorian Trades Hall Council and the Australian Council of Trade Unions ....

The sharks are desperate, hungry and circling.
 
wrcmad said:
Stopped taking it seriously here:

The research, commissioned by the Victorian Trades Hall Council and the Australian Council of Trade Unions ....

The sharks are desperate, hungry and circling.


And this guy has popped his head up- again.

The Australia Institute's executive director, Dr Richard Dennis, says there is a common misconception among young people about how much tax they will have to pay.
 
What I find interesting is that cash had been attacked in the MSM three times in a week.

Doesn't matter if unions sponsored it - it's looking like there is an agenda.

Whose agenda, and to what end though? Or is it just coincidence?
 
Argentum said:
shadow economy will keep growing i reckon as more and more taxes get introduced; small bussiness can only survive that way in todays times

Very much agree. I expect to see a crackdown on it, but, moving to cashless had major drawbacks for some small businesses I think. It'll just make the big guys have more market with less competition.

Taxation hey... what a great idea.
 
if the regime removes cash then i can see barter picking up speed.

the regime can then try to tightly control barter - they already do by the way - but they may as well try to tax me servicing my wife :lol:
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
if the regime removes cash then i can see barter picking up speed.

the regime can then try to tightly control barter - they already do by the way - but they may as well try to tax me servicing my wife :lol:

Don't give them any ideas! I can see it now, the campaign entailing sex being the main cause of STD's so now we have to give that up too. slowly increasing the taxes on birth control plain packaging.... haha
 
Dogmatix said:
What I find interesting is that cash had been attacked in the MSM three times in a week.

Doesn't matter if unions sponsored it - it's looking like there is an agenda.

Whose agenda, and to what end though? Or is it just coincidence?

Maybe the only agenda is the MSM just following each others tail as they often have few in the way of original ideas - much like ACA & Today Tonight often have similar stories (for lack of a better word) on their shows at the same time. So not a coincidence but not the agenda you are suggesting.

No idea if correct just a thought.
 
"We were putting up the second floor to a house and we were putting together the walls. I was holding it together and he's fired the nail gun and its gone straight through the wood and into my hand," he said.

"It drew blood. He just laughed and said 'just pull it out, you'll be right'.

"It took a few days to heal up."

And, of course, this doesn't happen when cash isn't involved.
 
The boss would be taking a risk wouldn't he if a cash worker received a serious injury, wouldn't he?

Suppose he would put you on the books and say he just started this morning!

With no tax payable under $18k, you could work 20 hrs a week at $15 per hour and pay no tax so it would be easy for the boss to have two set of books,

Regards Errol 43
 
"The areas where we know these jobs are being used are less likely to be unionised, they're less likely to have Occupational Health and Safety representation and these jobs mean people are getting underpaid,"

I think this highlights the order of importance considering who commissioned it. They can't just say it is about wanting everyone in a union - who really cares about that. They have to throw some "society responsible" comments in there as well. What better way of forcing the government to do their work for them. Throw out a few comments about how dangerous it is, and that they are avoiding tax and bam the government spends OUR money to clean up the problem and "to the unions go the spoils" by way of union fees and control.

Sick of the government and other industries trying this crap on. They have the gall to think that we can't see through it as well!
 
take the greeks for example, they have local economies where trading and bartering are the currency, theres only so much a society will take
 
willrocks said:
"We were putting up the second floor to a house and we were putting together the walls. I was holding it together and he's fired the nail gun and its gone straight through the wood and into my hand," he said.

"It drew blood. He just laughed and said 'just pull it out, you'll be right'.

"It took a few days to heal up."

And, of course, this doesn't happen when cash isn't involved.

maybe Nate needs a cup of concrete each morning before work:P
 
hiho said:
take the greeks for example, they have local economies where trading and bartering are the currency, theres only so much a society will take

I admire those in the Greek society who have said enough is enough!!

i say they're bluddy heroes for standing up to big government...
 
philmart said:
"The areas where we know these jobs are being used are less likely to be unionised, they're less likely to have Occupational Health and Safety representation and these jobs mean people are getting underpaid,"

I think this highlights the order of importance considering who commissioned it. They can't just say it is about wanting everyone in a union - who really cares about that. They have to throw some "society responsible" comments in there as well. What better way of forcing the government to do their work for them. Throw out a few comments about how dangerous it is, and that they are avoiding tax and bam the government spends OUR money to clean up the problem and "to the unions go the spoils" by way of union fees and control.

Safety has always been a major concern for unions because lots of people die or are seriously injured at work. The two main objectives of unions right from the very beginning was to improve pay and conditions for the workers. That's why they came into existence in the first place.

If you re-read the article, the union rep doesn't actually talk about tax dodging at all.

Now obviously it's in the unions' interests to have more workers being members of unions so the research is more than a bit self-serving, but they don't actually have to put any spin on it either: by-and-large, you're more likely to get screwed somehow if you're working cash in hand.
 
^^^ Not to mention extortion and blackmail. Why else did most unions originate in industries (shearing, building, transportation etc) where there were time sensitive jobs.

(Oh and a dash of violence against any "scabbers" who are wanting to work while the true blue union workers are on strike.)
 
certainly the talk about controlling or removing larger denomination cash bills is very alarming.

That sort of thing smells very much like North Korea or Uzbekistan or similar -------------------- if true, politics has slipped several notches and I believe if the thinking continues then Australia is on a very dangerous slippery slope.

If this gets any traction - our forefathers would turn in their graves.

have a great day

gazzahere
 
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