Will Trump make strong hand stackers rich?

SpacePete

SpacePete

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Silver Stacker
Will Trump's time as President result in a massive increase in the value of PMs relative to other assets?

Some initial falls may see the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to berate stackers for holding worthless metals, and some stackers may become dissolutioned and dump their their stacks, but will strong hands prevail? Will the coming year or two be be an inflection point for metals?

Do you have patience?
 
Trump will make super rich mega rich, well off people will become richer, if you're middle income earner probably you will thread water but if you're poor, sux to be "you"
 
SpacePete said:
...... but will strong hands prevail? Will the coming year or two be be an inflection point for metals?

Do you have patience?
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By definition, strong hands cannot prevail - "strong hands" (in the stacker context) means holding a losing position in physical by virtue of either faith or arrogance.
Either way, the position is losing and losses keep mounting everyday that capital is tied up, ensuring returns remain low when averaged over time.
"Weak" hands can always buy back again at a later, more profitable time. :P
 
wrcmad said:
SpacePete said:
...... but will strong hands prevail? Will the coming year or two be be an inflection point for metals?

Do you have patience?
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By definition, strong hands cannot prevail - "strong hands" (in the stacker context) means holding a losing position in physical by virtue of either faith or arrogance.
Either way, the position is losing and losses keep mounting everyday that capital is tied up, ensuring returns remain low when averaged over time.
"Weak" hands can always buy back again at a later, more profitable time. :P
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Did you just invent that definition to support you argument? Strong hands hold through negative sentiment when weak hands are selling. That's it.
 
Strong hands, various related discussions:
If you reduce investing to the financial atom level, it really has to do with money flow. Money always flows from weak hands into strong hands. That's something you should have learned in kindergarten. The smart money buys at bottoms and sells at tops. The dumb money sells at bottoms and buys at tops. I've heard that 7090% of investors lose money and if the number is accurate, that's why.

Examine what you have done as an investor at lows. Are you buying or selling? That will tell you if you are the smart money or the dumb money. In late December of 2015 the COTs were more favorable for gold and silver than they had been since 2001. The number of contracts was down and the weak hands were selling with both fists. The strong hands or smart money was buying.

If all you know is that money flows from weak hands into strong hands or the dumb money gives the smart money everything they own, you know everything you need to know to invest. You don't have to worry about Deutsche Bank or the IMF or what the Yen is doing. All that information is noise, not signal. When the weak hands go to record short positions, you are going to have at least a very strong rally. And people who know how to interpret the COTs told us exactly that.

http://www.mining.com/web/money-always-moves-weak-hands-strong-hands/
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"Strong hands," "smart money" etc. are just shorthand for highly experienced and well-capitalized speculators - the top 1-10% of successful/profitable traders - who are, as a group, consistently on the correct side of market moves.

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/strong-hands-do-they-exist-and-how-do-they-trade.222728/
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SpacePete said:
wrcmad said:
SpacePete said:
...... but will strong hands prevail? Will the coming year or two be be an inflection point for metals?

Do you have patience?
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By definition, strong hands cannot prevail - "strong hands" (in the stacker context) means holding a losing position in physical by virtue of either faith or arrogance.
Either way, the position is losing and losses keep mounting everyday that capital is tied up, ensuring returns remain low when averaged over time.
"Weak" hands can always buy back again at a later, more profitable time. :P
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Did you just invent that definition to support you argument? Strong hands hold through negative sentiment when weak hands are selling. That's it.
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Yeah... that's what I said... but I said it more honestly. :D
 
Well if this is any indication...

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Trading on Trump's first business day as president, up 666.

666 I tells ya!
 
It's bounced off $1200/1199 enough times now for me to see pretty strong support at that psych level, very very exciting, they'll try have to smack it down hard to make it do anything but go set least sideways.

The AUD it's the kicker but macro I only see upside, technically it looks ok. I'm not a big buyer, but the hand is strong with this one.
 
I think the logic behind strong hand is flawed because if one knows that the price is about to tank what is the purpose of holding? The smart money is to sell and buy back at a lower price.

However since joining this forum I realised many physical buyers, are part coin collector, part hobbyist and a part invester, and the logics behind that is not something when a normal trader would coinsider.... ie the elsusive value be it beauty or need to own it that both the seller and buyer puts on a design.

Ie, say one knows silver is going to go to $5 AUD and is holding 1000 x 1 oz OX, if you sell at $90 a pop now, there is no guarantee you can buy 1000 x 1 OX back at $75, so the problem is do you sell?
 
Ipv6Ready said:
I think the logic behind strong hand is flawed because if one knows that the price is about to tank what is the purpose of holding? The smart money is to sell and buy back at a lower price.
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Exactly

Ipv6Ready said:
However since joining this forum I realised many physical buyers, are part coin collector, part hobbyist and a part invester, and the logics behind that is not something when a normal trader would coinsider.... ie the elsusive value be it beauty or need to own it that both the seller and buyer puts on a design.
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Also very true
 
Ipv6Ready said:
I think the logic behind strong hand is flawed because if one knows that the price is about to tank what is the purpose of holding? The smart money is to sell and buy back at a lower price.

However since joining this forum I realised many physical buyers, are part coin collector, part hobbyist and a part invester, and the logics behind that is not something when a normal trader would coinsider.... ie the elsusive value be it beauty or need to own it that both the seller and buyer puts on a design.

Ie, say one knows silver is going to go to $5 AUD and is holding 1000 x 1 oz OX, if you sell at $90 a pop now, there is no guarantee you can buy 1000 x 1 OX back at $75, so the problem is do you sell?
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Hmmm, but no-one knows where the price is going. That's my only problem with trading, holding, whatever.
 
It was predicted in a Simpsons episode.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtparSnQhFc[/youtube]
 
willrocks said:
It was predicted in a Simpsons episode.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtparSnQhFc[/youtube]
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Everyone talks about the size of the debt, but what is the net position? For example the QE money is making a profit for the Feds now and it will be paid back and all those big bail out to the banks, the governments ended up with big share holding which they are selling at a profit, all in all the GFC will be a big boost to smart governments. Unlike Australia where Rudd gave away $1000 and decided to install pink batts.


The size of debt doesn't really matter does it, consider people who own multiple properties might owes the bank millions to the bank but if the assets are worth much more and rental income is giving them great tax benefits are those people poor?
 
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