Who would still stack If....

I'd say that i would hold selected pieces only for interest and minor savings that are more difficult to spend and thus easier to save in case of emergencies. In this i probably would favour gold over silver.

But generally, no i would invest in other ways, even if i'm not that crash hot at picking stocks.

I know that you avoided the PM price issue but... If Gold was on clear downward trend then i probably wouldn't hold any, only a few old small numi coins that i just like.
 
Stella just tell me: have you drank a lot tonight or you're just a Shit Stirrer General?

As for your question:
We have a saying: If grandma had a dick she would be grandpa.
Meaning Santa Clause will visit me first than all three or even any of your points become true.
So I'll keep my Silver and you can keep the change.
 
stellaconcepts said:
1. Hyperinflation of any major currency will not happen in the next 100 years.
2. Silver is not manipulated and the supply will continue to be prevalent for the next 100 years.
3. The stockmarket will trend upwards in real terms over the next 50 years.
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I already believe those 3 things to be true, but still stack.

http://fourthcurrency.com/
 
Yes, because disaster doesnt have to strike for PMs to go up in price.

Those three things (i believe) are not funamental issues

High inflation (increased money velocity) is the only thing needed after the fact of money printing in all major currencies.

Stocks higher - irrelevant and somewhat expected.

Socialism/marxism is increasingly a world order - therefore legalised plunder is expected.

Silver stacking is a way to thumb the system - and say "NO F##@@ng MORE!"
 
Bullion Baron said:
1. I don't stack metal on the basis we will see hyperinflation, just a loss (possibly temporary) of confidence in fiat which drives a higher level of interest in precious metals.
2. I don't think there is any long term suppression of the Silver price in play and supply will always be prevalent, just depends on what price will bring the supply into the market.
3. Likely this is the case over 50 years, I don't invest/speculate with a 50 year buy and hold time frame.

So yes I would still buy and hold metals for the medium term.
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Same.
Imagine investing now and doubling your money in a year, very unlikely but it's happened before. Therefore who gives a stuff about long term problems for the metals.
I don't buy with the idea of holding onto it for years.
 
stellaconcepts said:
I'm interested in peoples views on stacking (and I don't mean hobby stacking, I mean proper hardcore investing/speculation) IF the following would SOMEHOW be true and known to all..

1. Hyperinflation of any major currency will not happen in the next 100 years.

2. Silver is not manipulated and the supply will continue to be prevalent for the next 100 years.

3. The stockmarket will trend upwards in real terms over the next 50 years.
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Good questions! I note in the three things that you mention as "known facts" that you do not rule out the collapse of a/all fiat currencies (your known fact simply regards hyperinflation, and whilst that may be the prevalent cause of a fiat currency collapse, I can envisage other ways in which it might occur).

On that basis, with the caveat noted above, I would still be likely to allocate a small percentage of my portfolio to gold, and possibly some silver. That said, I would not consider it to have the importance I currently assign this asset class.

All in all, I am stacking because I believe that fiat currency collapse, and likely enough hyperinflation will occur, together with the collapse of the stock market and other investment vehicles. Whilst I believe the possibility exists for some of the extremely wealthy "elites" to be manipulating the gold & silver market, I am not fully convinced that this is a continual ongoing process, though some events, I believe, are co-ordinated (as an example, the recent take down of the gold & silver price). That is to say, I believe they can, and do manipulate these markets using vast sums of money and "paper" PM's when they have something to achieve, but at other times are content to let the market do it's own thing.
 
stellaconcepts said:
I'm interested in peoples views on stacking (and I don't mean hobby stacking, I mean proper hardcore investing/speculation) IF the following would SOMEHOW be true and known to all..

1. Hyperinflation of any major currency will not happen in the next 100 years.

2. Silver is not manipulated and the supply will continue to be prevalent for the next 100 years.

3. The stockmarket will trend upwards in real terms over the next 50 years.


If those three things were (somehow) KNOWN to be true... would you still stack?

If so - why?

Just interested.

(note I did not make any notes regarding the price of silver itself, only those three points are known - everything else not)
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It's starting to sound like the road to Demascus. A somewhat question of faith.

These questions make a mockery of the forum.
 
who is the better person to ask :lol:

uncle Ben, sure he has the better hang of both world.

one hand he control all the paper related, in the store room, so DEEP...lying there sterile gold.

How long did the central bank actually hold (STCKING) their gold for ???

I still want to build up to 6 billion ounces, if possible, but may not live that 100 years long :(
 
I would still stack silver and gold.

I believe that stocks and shares are fairytales and refuse to participate, it is still a manipulated market designed to fleece the little players without friends in high places who can give you insider knowledge.

I prefer tangible goods, like real estate and PMs (and collectibles/antiques and art)

I think there is money to be made in PMs, just not by sitting on it. Playing GSR swaps to increase your holdings and frequent buying of dips and selling on highs should increase ounces.

Numismatic items and fads might make more money than bullion.

Any inflation erodes your fiat, not just hyperinflation.

Plus I like the stuff, my grandad passed down some British Gas shares to me, all gone a long time ago, I still have the half sov my Grandma gave to me.
 
I wouldnt stack silver but maybe hold gold if the scrnario you speak of was in place. However such a scenario is a wet dream. For starters there is no chance in hell that we will not see hyperinflation of a major currency. In the last 100 years look at inflation in general without mentioning hyper inflation in post war germany The mexican peso in the 80s argentina and the pbilippines in the 90s and to a degree the euro and yen right now. Currencies are designed to inflate so there goes that idea.
2. there really isnt an industrial metal on the planet that has a 100 year lifespan of current production mining left and most are depleted to the point of only having a few decades of supply left.
3. The stockarket has trouble maintaining an upward trend of 50 months let alone years.

Im not as bullish on metal as I once was but as your scenario suggests the fundamentals are in play and even if they werent silver and especially gold would atill be a part of most peoples portfolios.
For me I know the canadian dollars going down its fallen from 103-97/98 within 18 months. Growing up 60-80 cents was the norm. Even if metal traded relatively sideways Id probably make profit due to hedging my own ultimately doomed curremcy. I mean next to the USD gold is the only thing you can easily move and exchang for within 5 points if pretty much any country in the world. They wont even xcept my canadian dollars at US retailers within view of the border crossing so I see it as the more attractive options than saving in USD
 
OK lets get all philosophical... tree falls in the woods, etc.

If you have all the money in the world, it is worth nothing... But what if you had all the silver in the world?

Well apparently you go to jail... If you're a Hunt brother.

But anyway, Short answer to the original questions is yes... I would still stack 'some' silver. If not for my own benefit, then for my grandkids inheritance.
 
aleks said:
So long as there are financial institutions who think they are above the law involved in money laundering, fraud, tax evasion, insider trading(should I go on?) and spineless governments who wont gaol these censored.... yes
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What's wrong with money laundering of things like drug money? The drugs shouldn't be illegal in the first place.
What's wrong with tax evasion? The taxes are immoral in the first place.
What's wrong with insider trading? Every entrepreneur takes advantage of information they have that no one else has.

What's wrong with spineless governments? Would you prefer they rode roughshod over all of your civil liberties?

Fraud is evil and should be stringently punished. FRB is fraud but is legally enabled and enforced by the government. :mad:
 
Grimnar said:
OK lets get all philosophical... tree falls in the woods, etc.

If you have all the money in the world, it is worth nothing... But what if you had all the silver in the world?

Well apparently you go to jail... If you're a Hunt brother.

But anyway, Short answer to the original questions is yes... I would still stack 'some' silver. If not for my own benefit, then for my grandkids inheritance.
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At the risk of being a hypocrite and maintaining the conversation, all three factors mentioned would lead to a strong USD. The consequence is that the AUD would drop. If it fell by 33% to 70 cents, then spot silver would increase by 50% over here.

I would then stack as a hedge against inflation.
 
By jove I think Sammy silver has got it......a rise in the U.S. dollar...something completely unexpected but happening as we speak.
- all that money rushing out of sovereign debt and dodgy currencies has to go somewhere.....stockmarkets and the U.S. dollar...
- we are facing many years of stagflation.....high commodity prices, higher interest rates all with a stagnant economy....oh and higher stockmarkets....and higher inflation
- there will be no hyperinflation as this will lead to further rises in commodities and even higher inflation.....no chance mateys.....
- the higher interest rates will be a function of greater risks and greater capital ratios placed upon the banks to keep them afloat...
- the U.S. dollar will eventually be toasted but not until the Euro and Yen have capitulated.
 
stellaconcepts said:
I'm interested in peoples views on stacking (and I don't mean hobby stacking, I mean proper hardcore investing/speculation) IF the following would SOMEHOW be true and known to all..

1. Hyperinflation of any major currency will not happen in the next 100 years.

2. Silver is not manipulated and the supply will continue to be prevalent for the next 100 years.

3. The stockmarket will trend upwards in real terms over the next 50 years.


If those three things were (somehow) KNOWN to be true... would you still stack?

If so - why?

Just interested.

(note I did not make any notes regarding the price of silver itself, only those three points are known - everything else not)
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None of those relate to the reason I stack.... I buy silver so it ties up my money in something else other then money I have no self control and like buying stuff aka beers pokies etc buying silver stops me from spending money on garbage
 
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