Who is going to help the Diary Industry??

bordsilver said:
willrocks said:
bordsilver said:
Ummm, generations and generations of people not dying in order for the alleles to become prevalent.

I'm not saying it's some super food or anything that means you avoid standard balanced diets, but that many of our bodies evolved naturally with it.
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Not dying is a benefit?

The only animal that should consume cows milk is a calf. Even then they drink it for only the first few months. Suggesting humans evolved with it is flat out wrong.
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You're seriously asking whether not dying is a benefit? WTF?

Given the plain evidence of the existence and prevalence of the dairy industry and the associated genetic mutation necessary for it to becomes prevalent then suggesting certain human societies did not evolve and benefit from it is flat out wrong. What barrow are you trying to push?
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Not dying is questionable given dairy's heath risks.

By your definition humans also evolved to benefit from beer and tv. Given the prevalence of the beer and tv industries.

Obviously I'm not pushing the diary barrow.
 
willrocks said:
Not dying is questionable given dairy's heath risks.
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But it can't possibly be "questionable" purely because of the genetic prevalence. I'd hazard that many of the health risks listed are to people without the genetic history who shouldn't be consuming it anyway. But as I prefaced earlier, over consumption of anything is harmful to health and dairy would be no different.

willrocks said:
By your definition humans also evolved to benefit from beer and tv. Given the prevalence of the beer and tv industries.
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Beer (or more precisely alcohol - particularly of low concentrations) yes, undoubtedly. TV of course not. It's only been around for approximately 2 generations (and we haven't had mass die offs) so it is stupid to suggest that our genetics are in anyway evolved with it.
 
bordsilver said:
But as I prefaced earlier, over consumption of anything is harmful to health and dairy would be no different.
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Precluding the possibility of acute over-consumption in one sitting. There's plenty of foods that can be over-consumed on a regular basis with no ill health effects. e.g. Vegetables, salads, water. Dairy isn't one of them. Even moderate dairy consumption over a long term can and does have negative health effects.
 
If anything dairy brands (not the farmers) should be sued:

PETA Urges Government Minister to Sue Meat and Dairy Industries Over Soaring Health Costs
On the heels of an announcement by Queensland Minister for Health Lawrence Springborg that he is considering suing tobacco companies to recoup some of the estimated $6.3 billion in health costs, lost productivity and premature death from smoking, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Australia is entering the fray with a call of its own: sue the meat and dairy industries, too. In a letter to Springborg, PETA points out that, like cigarettes, meat and dairy products have been linked to heart disease and cancer and also to obesity and diabetes. PETA cites studies that show that vegetarians and vegans are, on average, fitter and trimmer than meat-eaters are and more likely to remain healthy. In fact, health insurance companies in the Netherlands and the UK offer discounted rates for vegetarians.

"Just like smoking, eating meat and dairy products can increase the risk of getting sick, sending your medical bills through the roof", says PETA Australia Director of Campaigns Jason Baker. "Suing the meat and dairy companies would help replenish the treasury and also send the message that the best way to protect the well-being of animals and the humans who eat them is to go vegan."
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http://www.peta.org.au/news-release...d-dairy-industries-over-soaring-health-costs/
 
willrocks said:
bordsilver said:
But as I prefaced earlier, over consumption of anything is harmful to health and dairy would be no different.
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Precluding the possibility of acute over-consumption in one sitting. There's plenty of foods that can be over-consumed on a regular basis with no ill health effects. e.g. Vegetables, salads, water. Dairy isn't one of them. Even moderate dairy consumption over a long term can and does have negative health effects.
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And around in circles we go. Whee. See post #52 :rolleyes:

willrocks said:
If anything dairy brands (not the farmers) should be sued:

PETA Urges Government Minister to Sue Meat and Dairy Industries Over Soaring Health Costs
On the heels of an announcement by Queensland Minister for Health Lawrence Springborg that he is considering suing tobacco companies to recoup some of the estimated $6.3 billion in health costs, lost productivity and premature death from smoking, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) Australia is entering the fray with a call of its own: sue the meat and dairy industries, too. In a letter to Springborg, PETA points out that, like cigarettes, meat and dairy products have been linked to heart disease and cancer and also to obesity and diabetes. PETA cites studies that show that vegetarians and vegans are, on average, fitter and trimmer than meat-eaters are and more likely to remain healthy. In fact, health insurance companies in the Netherlands and the UK offer discounted rates for vegetarians.

"Just like smoking, eating meat and dairy products can increase the risk of getting sick, sending your medical bills through the roof", says PETA Australia Director of Campaigns Jason Baker. "Suing the meat and dairy companies would help replenish the treasury and also send the message that the best way to protect the well-being of animals and the humans who eat them is to go vegan."
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http://www.peta.org.au/news-release...d-dairy-industries-over-soaring-health-costs/
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PETA can piss off with their socialistic, nonsensical garbage. They are immoral bastards that want to impose their preferences on others with violence. Get rid of compulsory socialised health care and let the actuaries charge whatever makes sense based on the real costs and benefits and leave everyone alone. The best way to "protect" humans is to lock them up in a big cage with a treadmill. I don't want "protection" I want freedom.
 
willrocks said:
PETA blah blah blah
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Peta? Isn't that the mob "People enjoying tasty animals"?

Surely you don't mean to quote the other mob of extremist crackpots that couldn't lie straight in bed :/
 
bordsilver said:
Get rid of compulsory socialised health care and let the actuaries charge whatever makes sense based on the real costs and benefits and leave everyone alone.
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Can't argue with that.

While you're at it perhaps you can get rid of pensions for politicians, Centrelink, and income tax....
 
Here's a clip from the Paleo diet:

Dairy foods

Most paleo advocates eliminate the consumption of dairy foods, claiming that dairy foods were not widely consumed in Western culture until the beginning of the agricultural revolution, which began 10,000 years ago. While the consumption of dairy products did become more widespread during this time, there is archaeological evidence showing that dairy products were consumed in mountainous regions over 30,000 years ago.

Dairy foods have changed in their composition and nutrition profile with the introduction of pasteurisation, homogenisation and fat reduction during the past 50-100 years in conjunction with the growth of food processing. Prior to this, dairy products were always consumed raw, and fermented to make sour-tasting yoghurt, kefir,
cheese or clabber. Plain, fresh milk was considered a delicacy as it would naturally sour very quickly.
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http://www.goodfood.com.au/good-food/cook/paleo-diet-whats-it-all-about-20130809-2rm4f.html
 
So Willrocks you're advocating the human race goes backwards 10,000 years? Or only in diet?

Also on milk, I've drunk it all my life and I have none of those health ailments. Someone in my family had bowel cancer in their late 60's, and past the age of retirement. Needless to say I'm not worried.

Whenever I think of PETA I think of the South Park episode.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwm5UcGJ5wY[/youtube]
 
AngloSaxon said:
So Willrocks you're advocating the human race goes backwards 10,000 years? Or only in diet?

Also on milk, I've drunk it all my life and I have none of those health ailments. Someone in my family had bowel cancer in their late 60's, and past the age of retirement. Needless to say I'm not worried.

Whenever I think of PETA I think of the South Park episode.
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No, the 10,000 years thing was in reference to boardsilver's statement that "many of our bodies evolved naturally with it.".

I'm not a PETA advocate. Personally I think they go too far.
 
I'd say the last 10,000 years until the prior 50 saw human evolution to meet the conditions and resources available.
 
AngloSaxon said:
I'd say the last 10,000 years until the prior 50 saw human evolution to meet the conditions and resources available.
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I'd say that's going off on a tangent.

There's a lot of scientific evidence, including the study I quoted in post #50 show dairy food is not a healthy part of any diet. And there's very little scientific evidence to prove otherwise.

If you're fine with dairy that's great, but don't go around touting dairy is a health food that should be given to all school kids. In fact it should be labeled with potential damaging health effects.
 
pig will help the diary industry, just put the pig milk in all the chocolate of the world.

babe come to the rescue :)
 
Devondale dont do fresh milk. They do a uht, but devondale is more dairy products, butter,cream,cheese etc.
 
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