What if the U.S. is quietly sitting on a massive reserve of gold?

SpacePete

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I was thinking, maybe the U.S. government knows of some massive, high-grade in-ground gold reserves that can be easily mined if required, but are keeping it secret and happily letting the rest of the work buy up current output in return for dollars? And then one day, if China or Russia should try to create a new gold-backed currency to challenge the petro-dollar, the U.S. will start mining and dump an enormous amount of gold onto the world markets, effectively destroying the economies of anyone with the audacity to seriously challenge the USD.
 
SilverPete said:
I was thinking, maybe the U.S. government knows of some massive, high-grade in-ground gold reserves that can be easily mined if required, but are keeping it secret and happily letting the rest of the work buy up current output in return for dollars? And then one day, if China or Russia should try to create a new gold-backed currency to challenge the petro-dollar, the U.S. will start mining and dump an enormous amount of gold onto the world markets, effectively destroying the economies of anyone with the audacity to seriously challenge the USD.

I think this is in the same field as if wishes were horses beggars would ride. The have already dumped tons of other people's gold into the market to suppress prices. I think that game is nearly done.
 
It's a nice thought but 20th century prospectors did a pretty good job and in the states at least there weren't many places they weren't allowed to mine if they chose to.
Maybe they have secret gold acquired as a result of the Pentagon's financial war gaming but I doubt they have much in the way of known serious reserves. Plus, you would have to be pretty wildly bullish about golds future price to think it will be worth more then than it is now plus the cost of interest on the debt it could be used pay off between now and when they mine it.

I'm pretty sure the government wouldn't own the gold either, they'd just be allowed to tax the mining company.
 
Ronnie 666 said:
I think this is in the same field as if wishes were horses beggars would ride. The have already dumped tons of other people's gold into the market to suppress prices. I think that game is nearly done.
They are dumping known reserves. Thats exactly the point. Its a form of disinformation.

Everyone thinks its all so clear cut. But when it comes to economic warfare, I'd be surprised if the U.S. didn't have one or two aces up their sleeve.
 
Is there no conspiracy theory that someone won't fly?

The Ferguson riots are a plot to divide America and strengthen the arm of law enforcement
The US wanted Al Qaeda and ISIS so it could get the public behind the war business and get it to accept curtailment of liberties and bigger government
The US government has a secret stash of gold

There's always some master puppeteer, the illuminati, who is a step in front of everyone else and in total control of events
 
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James Rickards....

Pentagon prepares for economic warfare

THE scene: the war games suite of the mightiest military power in the world.

The guests were assembled in the Warfare Analysis Laboratory, surrounded by uniformed officers from the highest levels of the Pentagon and a dizzying array of screens normally used to simulate nuclear world war.

The gentlemen were called to order and the games began.

"If you imagine the war room in Dr. Strangelove, you're not far off," says participant James Rickards.

Yet this was no traditional battle game, but rather the Pentagon's first economic war game, and the authorities are loath to talk about it.

Economic war? It sounds preposterous. Except it gets less so with every dollar of debt run up by the US.

Behind the scenes, the military are worried about the market. For who owns much of this debt? China, the US's most powerful rival and threat. And that makes America vulnerable to a new kind of bloodless but ruthless war.

Rickards is not a soldier but a banker. He was joined in the war game by dozens of his Wall Street colleagues, flown in from Manhattan to this bunker at the Applied Physics Laboratory in Maryland for the two-day event in 2009, when the Pentagon started to get really alarmed.

The group was split into five teams: America, Russia, China, Pacific Rim, and a "grey team", representing shady outfits such as terrorist organisations. They were sent into "bunker rooms" and told to use financial or economic tools - currency, debt, stocks, gold - to bring their enemies to their knees. Everything was conducted via computer, and they could be as devious and ruthless as they liked. The bankers liked.

"These people would normally never come together. But there is nothing more fun than to take a Wall Street guy and tell him to be a bad guy," says Mr Rickards, a former senior executive who was involved in planning and executing the war game.

When the game was halted, the result left the military men quiet and sobered. Why did the bankers scare the soldiers? The answer lies in the way the world is now interconnected as never before.

Over the past few years, China has been buying up US government debt and is now its biggest holder. If China were to dump this debt, it would totally screw with the economy. China could, hypothetically, win any number of foreign policy objectives by making it impossible for you to pay your mortgage.

Paul Bracken is a professor and expert in private equity at the Yale School of Management who serves on government advisory committees at the US Department of Defence. He was one of the key players behind the 2009 economic war game, and the smaller versions that have been played out since.

"The atmosphere that day was one of surprise at the magnitude of the threat," he says.

"The Pentagon people were used to dealing in terms of military battles: how many ships, how many missiles. This opened up whole new strategies."

Of course, economic warfare is not new. God's plagues on the Egyptian pharaoh's crops, as reported in the Book of Exodus, were an early skirmish. Winston Churchill created a Ministry of Economic Warfare, to run as a "new instrument of war" against Hitler. Embargoes and sanctions have been targeted at dozens of countries, from South Africa to the former Soviet Union.

But this is different. The markets are now global, the holdings in each other's finances deep, and the technical ability to manipulate them instantaneous. In the 1970s the West feared that its enemies had their fingers on a nuclear button. The modern equivalent may be China's ability to press the button on US Treasury bills.

China is, Professor Bracken says, "the huge threat", but Russia, with its oil and gas, has shown no compunction in waging economic war on its neighbours, and could do so on a larger scale.

Another possibility is that major oil-producing countries could destabilise America by switching to euros instead of dollars as the currency in which oil is priced - so-called "petro-dollar warfare". Or a terrorist organisation might trigger a financial crash via some kind of shady hedge fund or computer attack.

What the economic war game showed Professor Bracken was that military and economic decision-making has to be more unified. Banks and bonds are now weapons, just as much as bombs. "That makes the military nervous, as they had always been in charge of operations. That's why they know they need to understand this," Professor Bracken says.

Mr Rickards says that, "If you're going to confront the US military, you would spend billions.But if you can do so just as effectively in financial space, and it would cost less, why not?"

Perhaps Britain felt a taste of this last year, with some stockmarket shocks that wiped millions off three British companies. BT lost pound stg. 969 million ($1.5 billion) on one afternoon in August, Next lost pound stg. 275m. Security services had to probe the possibility that it was not technical faults, as initially supposed, but a concerted attack by a nation state.

John Bassett, a fellow of the Royal United Services Institute, says the British government is just waking up to the new order.

"If those were deliberate attacks on the London stockmarket, it was highly unlikely to be a criminal gang, much more likely an economic rival," he says. "This is a ruthless competition for global economic supremacy, and the West isn't winning."

At the end of that Pentagon session, the 80-odd players returned from their bunkers and assessed the damage.

China won, without so much as reaching for a gun. And the soldiers looked at each other and wondered if it was still only a game.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...economic-warfare/story-e6frg6so-1226118380617
 
phrenzy said:
Plus, you would have to be pretty wildly bullish about golds future price to think it will be worth more then than it is now

? Of course gold will be worth more in the future than it is now.


South Africa sit on half of the worlds gold reserves. That's why China and Russia asked them to join BRICS. America has nothing.

"Officially" America has over 8,000 tonnes of gold, I think that either A. That's BS, or B. Half of that belongs to other countries. If they really owned three times more gold than any other country they would have used that to their advantage by now and not racked up nearly $20,000,000,000,000.00 debt.
 
Of course everyone knows there's no secret gold reserves. Only the crazy and insane would question the common knowledge handed down to us by the world's media and politicians.

But sometimes, just sometimes, there's some truth in crazy:

SECRET BELOW GROUND STASHES

Here's where it gets a little tricky. The largest gold mine in the world is reported to be the Grasberg Mine in Indonesia with estimated reserves of 1,250 tons of gold (40M oz). According to USGS the total economically mineable gold reserves in the world is only 100,000 tons. And of that the USA only holds about 5,500 tons...or do we?

USA Natural Reserves Policy

Since the early 1900's the United States of America has had a hidden agenda when it comes to scarce natural resources and that has been to "use the rest of the world's natural resources first"! The United States has found vast reserves of almost all highly desirable natural resources including oil, gold, silver, copper, etc. What the USA doesn't do is exploit their own resources. We cleverly disguise these national treasures in Wildlife Preserves, Ecologically Sensitive Areas, National Parks, Offshore No-Drill Zones and Military Bases.

Nowhere is it more obvious than in the US consumption of foreign oil. Our oil policy (divide, conquer and steal oil) has been the focus of the world's hatred of the United States for decades. We go to war under false pretenses in order to gain access to oil reserves but the US actually holds some of the largest oil reserves ever found!

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Basically, we knew that one day the fiat money system would end in massive fraud and failure causing the end of all trade with the lying, cheating deceitful country that debouched the currency. Why not use everybody else's natural resources first and hide your own for the future when the world no longer accepts paper money for hard commodities? Although it may have seemed like a very ingenious plan, history will likely show that the "blow-back" created from it's implementation has caused more harm than good.

So these are my two favorite monster gold deposits hidden by the US Government for that rainy day when the world no longer accepted our paper money.

#1 Chocolate Mountain Military Base/Desert Wildlife Reserve

Back in 1994 California Senator Dianne Feinstein orchestrated a very controversial take over of one of the largest gold deposits in the world in the Chocolate Mountains of California.

Karen-lee Bixman (no relation:-) exposes this takeover in her article "The Great Gold Heist".

http://www.uhuh.com/1calfraud/stacks/bixman.htm

Donald Fife, spokesman for the National Association of Mining Districts, said of the heist "The 103rd Congress managed to accommodate more than a gang of train robbers could achieve in a lifetime when they approved the Desert Wilderness Protection Act." Fife was commenting on recent information that indicates tens of billions of dollars in gold deposits and huge real estate swindles may be the motivating factors behind the act."

"Unbeknownst to the public, inside the range is the world's richest gold rift zone. Geologists estimate that the gold contained in this zone is worth between $40 to $100 billion. These are surface gold deposits which are more profitable to mine than the one-mile deep gold deposits in South Africa."

"The Mesquite gold mine is one of the top ten mines in the United States and has some of the most profitable gold deposits of any mine in the world. To the north is the Chocolate Mountain gunnery range. The Mesquite open pit gold mine literally stops at the fence that borders the gunnery range."

"Engineers allege that in 1981 and 1982, Consolidated Goldfields, which owned the mine at the time, illegally drilled into the gunnery range area to determine the composition of the ore body. The samples proved to be of high quality. According to these same engineers, beginning in the mid-1980s, military helicopters brought high ranking military officers, Congressmen and Senators to the area to examine these large gold deposits. Congressman Bruce Vento (D-Minn.) was one of several congressmen and senators who participated in these highly secretive trips."

According to Wikipedia: The mountain range is home to the Chocolate Mountain Aerial Gunnery Range, an aerial and gunnery practice area used by the Navy and Marines. A large part of the Chocolate Mountains lie within the gunnery range, and are off-limits to the public. Indeed, areas near the mountains can be dangerous--in one instance, two jet pilots practicing dropping empty bombs overshot the gunnery range and bombed a public campground north of the mountains, injuring one man.

Clearly, there is something very valuable to protect in those mountains!

And this brings me to my last and probably the most amazing story of hidden gold (if true).

# 2 The Grand Canyon National Park...King Solomon's Mines or El Dorado?

In the late 1800's and early 1900's crazy rumors started floating around the Southwest United States about Egyptian cities being found at the northern end of the Grand Canyon. The story went that while traveling down the Colorado River an explorer discovered a secret cave that was filled with egyptian artifacts, texts and ruins. In 1909, an article was written about the find in the Arizona Gazette:

http://www.crystalinks.com/gc_egyptconnection.html

Continuing down this path there is a very interesting book called "Lost Cities of North and Central America" by David Hatcher Childress that discusses this lost city. Listen to this YouTube interview with him as he discusses a very interesting theory that the Grand Canyon may be the site of the famed King Solomon Mines. The interview can be heard here:

Following this train of thought I found this article in the New York Times written on June 19, 1912...just a year before the Federal Reserve Act was established:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=940DE7D71F31E233A2575AC1A9609C946396D6CF

Ok. It's a lot of speculation and sounds unbelievably fanciful...but might it be true? Could the Grand Canyon hold the motherload of all gold deposits and the Powers-That-Be have been hiding this secret all these years. Is this the missing piece of the gigantic gold manipulation puzzle? Let's dig deeper.

In my Original Road to Roota Article there was one part of the story that I was never able to fully decipher. It had to do with Roota finding the colored flowers in some mysterious caves.

http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/120.cfm

Roota's Grandma (who represents ex Fed Chairman Arthur Burns who was Alan Greenspan's mentor) says to Roota "Some people say you can get there through the caves near Cobblestone Canyon". Could "Cobblestone Canyon" be referring to this Colorado Canyon where they supposedly found "vast riches of gold" the year before the Federal Reserve was established?

In the Fed Comic "Wishes and Rainbows" Roota went looking for "colored flowers" in a place called "Cobblestone Canyon" where she found vast riches. So much so that she was able to supply all the people of Pebbleton with "many colored flowers each" (ounces of gold).

http://www.bos.frb.org/education/pubs/wishes.pdf

Originally, there was not enough for one flower each but over time Roota found many openings which supplied many colored flowers to the Pebble People. The population of the United States is around 300M people so a find with "many colored flowers" may well reach the Billions of ounces that the 1909 article talks about.

Also, could these mines be behind the gold illustrations in the Fed Boston release "Banking Basics"?

http://www.bos.frb.org/education/pubs/banking2.pdf

It looks here like the girl is cashing in about 20 oz of gold for a small stack of bills. Can you see the gold price chart on the back wall of the bank teller?! If my math is correct 20 ounce x 300M citizens = 6B ounces that may be available if my Road to Roota theories are correct.

till not convinced about the Grand Canyon Gold?

Many of you who follow the Gold Conspiracy angle will know that the Bush family is heavily involved in gold manipulation. Bush Sr. was even involved with the largest gold hedging/black gold laundering operation in the world... Barrick Mining. Would it surprise you to find out that Bush Jr. tried to secretly get into the Grand Canyon to mine some of that vast resource that the USA has hidden away for years? Read these:

http://www.ewg.org/news/news-releas...es-law-protecting-grand-canyon-uranium-mining

http://www.ewg.org/news/news-releases/2009/05/06/confusion-grand-canyon

More: http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/181.cfm
 
But wait.... there's more!

Gold In The USA

The United States has always had a love affair with the yellow metal. It all started in Stafford, Virginia in 1782, when Thomas Jefferson documented the first gold discovery himself. Since then, Americans have been searching for gold far and wide. The California Gold Rush brought hundreds of thousands of people to the West in search of new found wealth. Years later, many more ventured into Alaska's wilderness to hit it rich. Even today, there is a modern gold rush in Nevada, where the five biggest gold mines (by contained oz) are located.

The US produced 8.2% of the world's gold in 2013, which puts it in third place for annual production. It's also no secret that the US also holds the largest reserves of gold today, primarily located in the Fort Knox and Federal Reserve Bank of New York depositories. Between the two locations, a hefty 8,133.5 tonnes of gold are vaulted.

The future is still bright for gold in America: in fact, just three undeveloped deposits in Alaska (Pebble, Donlin, and Livengood) hold a potentially game-changing 180,000,000 oz of gold combined. While it is true that there have been some hiccups along the way, such as Roosevelt's confiscation of gold in 1933, it is unlikely that America's fixation on gold will end any time soon.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-09/gold-usa
 
SilverPete said:
It's also no secret that the US also holds the largest reserves of gold today, primarily located in the Fort Knox and Federal Reserve Bank of New York depositories. Between the two locations, a hefty 8,133.5 tonnes of gold are vaulted.


suuuuure..
 
No1joey said:
SilverPete said:
It's also no secret that the US also holds the largest reserves of gold today, primarily located in the Fort Knox and Federal Reserve Bank of New York depositories. Between the two locations, a hefty 8,133.5 tonnes of gold are vaulted.

suuuuure..

Maybe its a secret reserve of tungsten?
 
SilverPete said:
No1joey said:
SilverPete said:
It's also no secret that the US also holds the largest reserves of gold today, primarily located in the Fort Knox and Federal Reserve Bank of New York depositories. Between the two locations, a hefty 8,133.5 tonnes of gold are vaulted.

suuuuure..

Maybe its a secret reserve of tungsten?

Its actually their stash of International Roast.
 
SilverPete said:
No1joey said:
SilverPete said:
It's also no secret that the US also holds the largest reserves of gold today, primarily located in the Fort Knox and Federal Reserve Bank of New York depositories. Between the two locations, a hefty 8,133.5 tonnes of gold are vaulted.

suuuuure..

Maybe its a secret reserve of tungsten?

If they had 8000 tonnes of gold just sitting there why didn't Germany get their 300 back, & if they have 300 t of Germanys why isn't that stipulated when reporters talk about 'Americas' 8,133 tonnes? If 300 of that is Germany's how much more belongs to other nations? There hasn't been an audit on the gold for something like 40 years. Germany weren't even allowed to view their gold. No one is allowed inside - no one.
 
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