What events NEED to occur for Gold/Silver to reflect TRUE VALUE?

[rara200284]

I'm sure if I did months and months of research I'd get an idea, but for those of you who may know, what events will need to occur for gold and silver to reflect its true value?

I read about how Chase and Goldman Sachs manipulate the price of Gold and Silver. If all this is going on, then what exactly needs to occur for gold and silver to show its real value? If everyone knows that these banks are manipulating prices, how is it still going on?

Someone please shed on me some light. Maybe I can help expedite the process of bringing these metals to its true value!!

 

[Andy28]

No more banks? Apart from that I would say it currently is at its true value. If something happened and the price moved dramatically, then that would be its new true value.

 

[sammysilver]

Gold is roughly $1,500 an ounce. Shares are heavily overpriced but currently reflect a good investment through small dividends and high capital gains. Should the markets collapse and everyone loses 50% of the value of their portfolio, the ounce of gold is still worth $1,500 but everything around it is only worth half as much. That is the true value of precious metals.

 

[Caput Lupinum]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

 

[SpacePete]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

Awaiting accusations that you are "one of them" As if the global bankster elite would feel the need to troll small Internet PM forums.

 

[Jislizard]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

Awaiting accusations that you are "one of them" As if the global bankster elite would feel the need to troll small Internet PM forums.

Why wouldn't they have a dedicated propaganda department?

Historically they have proven very useful, not going to mention by who because it is way too early in the thread to be invoking Godwin's Law.

 

[SpacePete]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

Awaiting accusations that you are "one of them" As if the global bankster elite would feel the need to troll small Internet PM forums.

Why wouldn't they have a dedicated propaganda department?

Historically they have proven very useful, not going to mention by who because it is way too early in the thread to be invoking Godwin's Law.

You're answering something I didn't say.

Actually, it all works by influencing the public to become an army of useful idiots who do their internet propagandering for them. But the real switcharoo is that the propaganda is targeted at creating a deeply entrenched idea that there is a conspiracy to manipulate prices in any meaningful way. So while everyone is safely venting over that they are getting on with their core agenda. If the secretive cabal of powerful elites wanted your gold, they'd just arrange for laws to be enacted to confiscate it. However, it's far more effective to ensure populations are divided amongst themselves and labouring under the illusion of freedom and democratic choice, and then, while we're all bickering over this and that, our pockets are being picked.

 

[wrcmad]

No more banks? Apart from that I would say it currently is at its true value. If something happened and the price moved dramatically, then that would be its new true value.

100%
Price doesn't lie.

 

[Jislizard]

Awaiting accusations that you are "one of them" As if the global bankster elite would feel the need to troll small Internet PM forums.

Why wouldn't they have a dedicated propaganda department?

Historically they have proven very useful, not going to mention by who because it is way too early in the thread to be invoking Godwin's Law.

You're answering something I didn't say.

Actually, it all works by influencing the public to become an army of useful idiots who do their internet propagandering for them. But the real switcharoo is that the propaganda is targeted at creating a deeply entrenched idea that there is a conspiracy to manipulate prices in any meaningful way. So while everyone is safely venting over that they are getting on with their core agenda. If the secretive cabal of powerful elites wanted your gold, they'd just arrange for laws to be enacted to confiscate it. However, it's far more effective to ensure populations are divided amongst themselves and labouring under the illusion of freedom and democratic choice, and then, while we're all bickering over this and that, our pockets are being picked.

Well firstly, it isn't the global bankster elite, it is either TEH GLOBAL BANKSTER ELITES or the Illuminati, everyone knows that.

And as you say, maybe they don't need to troll small internet PM forums now that they have turned the people against each other. But they could certainly pay a few people to watch the media and intervene when necessary. We know that the Rangertell muppets monitor the forums looking for people slagging off their crap (Hi Rangertell muppets)

Arranging for laws to be enacted to seize gold will just result in more boating accidents and less gold recovered.

They are currently well into their plan to take the gold...

1. Sell off all the sovereign gold, gives people the idea that gold is no longer worth keeping
2. Raise the price of gold so that everyone cashes in their old rings and grandpa's coin collections in the shopping centres
3. Drop the price of gold so that it no longer looks to be a safe investment, and people sell it to cut their losses
4. Manipulate the GSR so that people swap their gold to get lots of silver in its place.

No need to seize the gold, people will willingly hand it over, for the mere promise of wealth.

 

[bordsilver]

I love my Rangertell.

 

[whinfell]

What does the OP mean by "true value"? :/

 

[Peter]

Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

 

[markc]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

So the London Fix and paper silver/gold markets are not manipulation?

 

[wrcmad]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

So the London Fix and paper silver/gold markets are not manipulation?

Nope.

 

[screaming eagle]

I find people who claim gold is riddled with systematic manipulation are either pumptarts with something to sell or PM stackers who don't understand what drives the price movement and simply claim manipulation as an excuse for their own ignorance.

So the London Fix and paper silver/gold markets are not manipulation?

No and nothing has changed since the Silver fix stopped in August.

 

[Axolotl_]

COMEX default

 

[mmissinglink]

Nothing at all needs to happen, gold and silver priced as they are at this and every moment is the true value of that weight and purity of those metals so long as there are people willing to pay those prices.

There's no mysterious, nefarious conspiracy by aliens or Central Banks or whomever acting as a mysterious force which seeks to artificially devalue these metals. In fact, many people believe that thse metals are greatly overvalued at their current prices.

The value of precious metals is perceived. We know this because there are buyers of it when it is selling for X and there are buyers of it when it is selling for 1/10th X.

It's the same perception which leads some people to believe that the GSR should return to 1:15 while others see the GSR remaining above 1:30 indefinitely and yet others see the current 1:70+ as a more realistic permanent GSR.

All value of pm's is perceived.



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[Holdfast]

Reflect its true value

It's true value will be decided by the LBMA cartel daily!

For gold, twice a day at 10:30 and 15:00

For silver 12 noon.

 

[SpacePete]

"It can be very costly to forget that gold, for all it supposed intrinsic value, is subject to basic market forces and does not constitute a risk-free investment. Ironically, the US Treasury market, driven by the monetary forces that gold proponents condemn, remains the perceived risk-free investment choicenot gold."

 

[Court Jester]

Gold is roughly $1,500 an ounce. Shares are heavily overpriced but currently reflect a good investment through small dividends and high capital gains. Should the markets collapse and everyone loses 50% of the value of their portfolio, the ounce of gold is still worth $1,500 but everything around it is only worth half as much. That is the true value of precious metals.

or what is more likely gold will too drop 50%