What environment is best for dealers? Low, high or volatile prices?

Back to the topic please.

A hypothetical questions:
Going back to the video. I understand there's always buyers and sellers at each price level. But assume we have a dealer buying back stock from the market, but unable to re-sell them. Their inventory increased, and spot tanks. Wouldn't they incur a loss?
Or do dealers sell their excess stock to refineries (would also be at a loss i imagine).
 
goldpelican said:
Pirocco said:
goldpelican said:
Volatility drives volume, doesn't matter if it's up or down. Stable prices mean low volumes.
1) I don't get the logic of that, or I'm missing your point.

The original question was asking about dealers, not ETFs etc on the market. I'm speaking from experience with my day job as a bullion dealer - when prices are volatile, sales volumes are higher.

Bullion dealer by day :)

And the night job is ? :D
 
sammysilver said:
There is also the fact that about 750,000,000 ounces of silver are mined each. Most is bought for industrial uses along with the 250,000,000 ounces of recycled silver. The remainder is sold to collectors through bullion or jewelry.

This is basic commerce.
Of course. Just like with chickens oysters and your socks.

sammysilver said:
There is no thievery, People can choose to purchase or not.
As said, frontrunning and misleading others is the same as thievery, has the same goal: getting other peoples money for nothing, and usually they don't like

sammysilver said:
I don't know where Pollyanna, oops sorry, Pirocco, is coming from, but I believe he has been stung big time, and rather than blame it on his own stupidity, he is looking to blame the market.
I don't know where sammysucka, oops sorry, sammysilver, is coming from, but I believe he's just such a thief, trying to find excuses for the thievery that origins from his lazy butt.
 
Pirocco said:
As said, frontrunning and misleading others is the same as thievery, has the same goal: getting other peoples money for nothing, and usually they don't like
This is the markets, and this is every participants goal.
Nobody makes you play.
If you don't like it, don't play.
If you lose, don't blame.

Simples.
 
wrcmad said:
Pirocco said:
As said, frontrunning and misleading others is the same as thievery, has the same goal: getting other peoples money for nothing, and usually they don't like
This is the markets, and this is every participants goal.
Nobody makes you play.
If you don't like it, don't play.
If you lose, don't blame.

Simples.
There is a market.
There are thieves.
Empty real traders pockets.

Simples! :D
 
Nobody is forced into buying bullion.

We are not obliged to enter any market.

I see it as gambling.

I buy and sell chips erratically.

My stake is worth "x" one day and "y" the next.

Nobody complains when "y" is greater than "x".

This isn't a lecture nor is it to have you feel bad.

Simply a statement of what I believe to be fact.
 
Pirocco said:
There is a market.
There are thieves.
Empty real traders pockets.

Simples! :D
You can have excuses, or you can have results, not both. ;)
 
Adit

If I knew which way bullion was going to move I wouldn't be a dealer, I'd be a trader.

No different to the races.

If I knew which horse was going to win I wouldn't be a bookmaker, I'd be horse bettor.

If I buy and sell bullion and place bets on horses without knowing the results I'm a gambler.

Again not meaning to cause upset.
 
Blaming retailers or calling them or anyone else thieves is not going to help you learn from this.

I seriously don't see why a dealer would bother dealing if they were privy to sensitive market info.

They would make far more money and have a far less busy life simply from trading.

I know what I'd do if I had such info.

And that would not involve opening a shop!
 
Pirocco said:
I don't know where sammysucka, oops sorry, sammysilver, is coming from, but I believe he's just such a thief, trying to find excuses for the thievery that origins from his lazy butt.

Pollyanna, there are no prizes for second in Australia. But I'm pleased that you're so upset. But you are right in one respect, I have stolen any aspect of credibility that you have purported to have had. (Sammy scratches lazy butt, puts finger to nose, thinks, "that's what Pollyanna probably smells like.")
 
Pirocco said:
I haved pointed this out to you before wrcclad, only to be personalized.

Pirocco said:
I don't know where sammysucka, oops sorry, sammysilver, is coming from, but I believe he's just such a thief, trying to find excuses for the thievery that origins from his lazy butt.

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When I give talks on moral philosophy, I explain the differences between values, ethics and morals by stating that a hypocrite believes one thing, preaches a second thing, and practises a third.
 
swoydaz said:
Nobody is forced into buying bullion.

We are not obliged to enter any market.

I see it as gambling.

I buy and sell chips erratically.

My stake is worth "x" one day and "y" the next.

Nobody complains when "y" is greater than "x".

This isn't a lecture nor is it to have you feel bad.

Simply a statement of what I believe to be fact.
Gambling starts with a situation where no risk exist before the act of gambling, ex pushing the lever of a slotmachine. You can't lose if you don't play. No risk.
Speculation starts with an existing risk. Someone buys something that he thinks demand will go up later and supply will not be enough, causing price increases, and thus a gain for the one that buys ahead. If the speculators act was correct, then he gains due to the higher price, and the stock he created will prevent the price from going higher, thus also benefitting the demand side. And vice versa, the moment he buys the stock, he will prevent the price from going lower. In the end: a more stable price.
What I talk about here is none of both. It's just outspeeding others, inflicting them higher prices, misleading them to pay those higher prices, then outspeeding them to sell. Result: bigger price fluctuations, the exact opposite of what speculation causes.
So this has nothing to do with force / obligations. It's -misleading- and -frontrunning-, quite often with some help of the ones running/managing the story, for a fee, for a favor, whatever. Also privileged in one or more ways.
It's not harder than this. Complaints/lectures/erratics/gambling/feel bad? My answer: yawn. :D
 
I think the best environment for dealers is lotsa dumb people buying at any price! :D
Pirocco throwing a burning stick in the chickenhouse! :D
 
To answer OP. I would say most definitely a bull market is best for dealers as it promotes buying and selling. The more volatile the upward trend is, the better.
 
BiGs said:
To answer OP. I would say most definitely a bull market is best for dealers as it promotes buying and selling. The more volatile the upward trend is, the better.
Couldn't agree more!
Most dealers I know complain the market is slow because of the 'low' prices...
 
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