Weight of ASE in mint capsule

mmissinglink

mmissinglink

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I've used the search feature on SS forum but have not found a thread which is helpful to my question, which is a simple one.

What is the weight of an ASE (accurate to .01 gram) in its original US Mint plastic capsule?

Thanks for the info.




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The uncirculated and proof ASE's come in clear capsules just like Perth Lunar coins do. The only version of ASE that doesn't is the bullion version.



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No original capsule as far as I'm aware. Both Perth Bullion and Gold Stackers provide capsules for these as a courtesy. They use the same capsules, so maybe thats what you are after.
 
1.295oz

Keep in mind that there are variances in weight. Also a scale accurate to a hundredth of a gram is rather expensive.
 
iluvbeanz said:
Why do you need this weight, and to such accuracy?
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Purchased a proof thru eBay and want to be as sure as I can because I do not want to take a proof coin out of its capsule. It looks like the real McCoy but these days I have become more leary as the fakes have gotten so convincing looking. Passed the magnet and size test and weight test is the only other criteria that I can use.


Captain Kookaburra said:
No original capsule as far as I'm aware. Both Perth Bullion and Gold Stackers provide capsules for these as a courtesy. They use the same capsules, so maybe thats what you are after.
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In fact these ASE's that I noted do come in capsules from the US Mint.




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Actual measurements
3 numbers: Year / weight in capsule / weight in capsule in velvet case and outer box with cert
1986 40.22g 133.49g
1986 40.37g (no box)
1990 39.80g 135.85g
1997 39.85g 131.99g
 
mmissinglink said:
iluvbeanz said:
Why do you need this weight, and to such accuracy?
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Purchased a proof thru eBay and want to be as sure as I can because I do not want to take a proof coin out of its capsule. It looks like the real McCoy but these days I have become more leary as the fakes have gotten so convincing looking. Passed the magnet and size test and weight test is the only other criteria that I can use.
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That is a valid reason, although weight variance between individual coins will be greater than the accuracy that you're asking for, so the +/-0.01g is meaningless. The capsules have their own variances as well, so that further adds to the margin of error.

Just look at S. Ohno's numbers. Within just 4 different coins, there is over half a gram difference. For example, his 1990 coin weighs 39.80g, so if you get one that's 39.82g, that doesn't mean it's fake.
 
Captain Kookaburra said:
Should have said PROOF in your original post.

My statement relates only to Bullion coins.
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You should have asked but thanks for your 2 cents. :) Since this was written in the opening post, clearly it was implied that it was not the bullion version: "...in its original US Mint plastic capsule?


S. Ohno said:
Actual measurements
3 numbers: Year / weight in capsule / weight in capsule in velvet case and outer box with cert
1986 40.22g 133.49g
1986 40.37g (no box)
1990 39.80g 135.85g
1997 39.85g 131.99g
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1980's coins in capsules slightly heavier....must be the capsule. Thank you.




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mmissinglink said:
Since this was written in the opening post, clearly it was implied that it was not the bullion version: "...in its original US Mint plastic capsule?
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IMHO, this was not clear at all. There are not many US coin experts outside of the US. Since you are in the US, many might just assume that recently they come in capsules or whatever.

I think only the proofs and burnished blank "uncirculated" eagles come in capsules.
Of course the US mint calls the normal coins "bullion" not "uncirculated," but those two words are easy to mix up in conversation.

Regarding counterfeit ASE proofs... I looked at a few pics on some other forums.
They all look terrible compared to a real coin.

I expect it is much easier to fake the weight-in-capsule than the design details.
 
I take proofs out of the capsule all the time for photography, no big deal. Handle with cotton gloves and use care.
 
S. Ohno said:
mmissinglink said:
Since this was written in the opening post, clearly it was implied that it was not the bullion version: "...in its original US Mint plastic capsule?
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IMHO, this was not clear at all. There are not many US coin experts outside of the US. Since you are in the US, many might just assume that recently they come in capsules or whatever.

I think only the proofs and burnished blank "uncirculated" eagles come in capsules.
Of course the US mint calls the normal coins "bullion" not "uncirculated," but those two words are easy to mix up in conversation.

Regarding counterfeit ASE proofs... I looked at a few pics on some other forums.
They all look terrible compared to a real coin.

I expect it is much easier to fake the weight-in-capsule than the design details.
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Just because someone doesn't think it's clear, doesn't mean that someone should presume that I was referring to bullion. Besides, as I mentioned, if someone has confused encapsulated (by the US Mint as I clearly stated right off the bat) ASE's for bullion then logic tells me that it would be much easier to ask for clarity than it is to make a precarious assumption and chide me for that other person's erroneous presumption.

Anyway, I won't lose sleep over other people making presumptions without asking for clarity if they are confused about what is actually written...I have much better things to do with my time than that.



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All new bullion in coin form is uncirculated so therefore one would assume all uncirculated is bullion. But as I have learnt uncirculated and bullion can be two different things.
 
chrissilver said:
All new bullion in coin form is uncirculated so therefore one would assume all uncirculated is bullion. But as I have learnt uncirculated and bullion can be two different things.
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Yes, I can understand why U.S. Mint "uncirculated" could be mistaken for U.S. Mint "bullion". The important criteria that I DID mention in my original posting is " in its original US Mint plastic capsule". So, if 1) someone is familiar with the bullion version of the ASE then they know that it does NOT come in an original US Mint plastic capsule and therefore they would rightly infer that I was commenting about a non bullion ASE (either an uncirculated, proof, or reverse-proof version) or 2) someone is not very familiar with the bullion version of the ASE then that individual should ask me for clarity rather than tell me to do something Like "Should have said PROOF in your original post.") because they made a short-sighted presumption.

It's really very simple in my view and people should learn to ask a question before they make presumptions.

Anyway, as a couple or so forum members have responded with respectful and helpful comments, I will say thanks again to them and I will be on my way from this thread.




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