UK 'threatens' to raid Ecuador embassy over Assange

The UK is a precursor to where Australia is going to end up.

In some areas we are not far behind, eg its oppressive police state government.

In other areas it will take us a decade or two to catch up, eg our sh1t4brains policies on emigration and especially assylum seekers.

Either way - you'll wake up one day and realise that you've become a stranger/outsider in your own country
 
bordsilver said:
Thanks Julie. Maybe underestimating the "Hell hath no fury" angle. Are they married I wonder?

Unless I'm missing stuff, I wouldn't have thought that the costs would be in the multi-millions. Besides the recent policing efforts I would have thought it mainly involved a few additional weeks of (mainly media) time by a handful of people already on the payroll doing their standard jobs. Hence, irritating distraction time seems to be the biggest cost.

If you get time you might find the 4 Corners video that Chilli posted will answer this question.

It goes into a fair bit of detail, but it's also 40 mins or so.
 
hawkeye said:
I think this has built up into some huge kind of melodrama. The way Assange paints himself as some kind of saviour of Western society is highly dubious in my opinion. He is just an attention seeker at heart. If I'd had that messed up a childhood I would probably be the same way.

The world isn't going to end if Julian Assange disappears tomorrow. The technology exists and in fact is being improved on. Wikileaks is just the leading edge.

I don't want to see an injustice, but I think people are making way too many assumptions as regard to his innocence. Not saying he's guilty, but I don't think anyone here knows the truth of the matter.

And I think Assange is deliberately feeding the melodrama.

I'm sitting firmly on the fence until more facts come to light.

You don't appear to be sitting firmly on any fence at all. You appear to already have firm opinions.

I BELIEVE Assange is fighting for his life, with his own country effectively abandoning him. Nothing melodramatic about that.
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
The UK is a precursor to where Australia is going to end up.

In some areas we are not far behind, eg its oppressive police state government.

In other areas it will take us a decade or two to catch up, eg our sh1t4brains policies on emigration and especially assylum seekers.

Either way - you'll wake up one day and realise that you've become a stranger/outsider in your own country
Australia (ie the majority of the Australian population) are naive to the point of absurdity.
The Australian government knowingly abuses this absurd naivity.

How else can one explain the introduction (without debate or whimper) of controversial whole body x-ray machines in our international airports with no opt out option ie either submit or don't fly. Once they are firmly in place in the International airports, then watch how fast it gets set up in all the domestic airports.

But thats another topic altogether so my apologies for getting off topic.

The Assange situation is a lightning rod for drawing out those who would have our country go down the proverbial toilet. All in the name of our safety and security? What a fkn joke.
 
lucky luke said:
You don't appear to be sitting firmly on any fence at all. You appear to already have firm opinions.

Hawkeye can defend himself, but it would be stupid (and pointless) of him to have essentially copy and pasted the dozen or so prior posts on the pro-Assange side of the case.
 
bordsilver said:
lucky luke said:
You don't appear to be sitting firmly on any fence at all. You appear to already have firm opinions.

Hawkeye can defend himself, but it would be stupid (and pointless) of him to have essentially copy and pasted the dozen or so prior posts on the pro-Assange side of the case.

Of course it would have been stupid of him to copy and past pro-assange posts, he stated he is sitting on the fence.

I am putting forward information for those who are seeking to understand. My mind is clear on this matter.

Perhaps you could post some anti assange utubes or articles and perhaps you have also made up your mind.

Each to their own.
 
Chilli said:
...perhaps you have also made up your mind.

Hadn't made up my mind one way or the other, hence the reason why I have enjoyed you guys putting a good case together.
 
lucky luke said:
hawkeye said:
I think this has built up into some huge kind of melodrama. The way Assange paints himself as some kind of saviour of Western society is highly dubious in my opinion. He is just an attention seeker at heart. If I'd had that messed up a childhood I would probably be the same way.

The world isn't going to end if Julian Assange disappears tomorrow. The technology exists and in fact is being improved on. Wikileaks is just the leading edge.

I don't want to see an injustice, but I think people are making way too many assumptions as regard to his innocence. Not saying he's guilty, but I don't think anyone here knows the truth of the matter.

And I think Assange is deliberately feeding the melodrama.

I'm sitting firmly on the fence until more facts come to light.

You don't appear to be sitting firmly on any fence at all. You appear to already have firm opinions.

I BELIEVE Assange is fighting for his life, with his own country effectively abandoning him. Nothing melodramatic about that.

No, I don't have firm opinions on it, but I was putting forth ideas that were running through my head. This is one of the things about communicating on forums where it's easy to miscommunicate what you are thinking sometimes.

I think that generally whenever something like this comes up and there are charges of conspiracy and so forth that the real explanation generally turns out to be a lot simpler.

It feels to me like Assange is playing the media. He's highly intelligent and knows how the media works. The media needs big dramas, real or not (usually not or over-exaggerated) to get people watching and reading in order to attract advertising. That's the facts of the way the media works.

Assange, it feels to me, is engaging in misdirection by putting all the focus on the US, without any evidence that they intend to extradite him.

At the same time, I remember thinking at the time that situation with the girls sounded dubious as to whether it was illegal and that hasn't changed much in my mind, but the facts are at the end of the day, I just don't know.

Hence, why I'm not committing. I don't like any of the stories being put forth. I don't think we've got the true story yet.
 
trew said:
Ecuador is hardly a shining light for citizen's right or freedom of the press...

.. so why do you think Ecuador is doing all this for Assange ?

How much money do you think they are going to get from Assange ?

Or is it just to stick it to the USA ?

Bingo!!! :)

Read the story of poor Aliaksandr Barankov, an ex-Belarusian police officer. Granted asylum by Ecuador in 2010 after fleeing Belarus, but then, oh dear, President Lukashenko of Belarus visits Ecuador, signs trade, agriculture and diplomatic agreements and poor old Barankov finds himself arrested and facing extradition charges in court.

Under Correa, Ecuador has been deepening commercial and political ties with U.S. rivals including Iran, Russia and China.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...fcfb88-eb37-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html
 
I never considered it that way, but once Ecuador has Assange on their soil, imagine what concessions they could get from the USA for handing him over

Brilliant move by Ecuador there
 
trew said:
I never considered it that way, but once Ecuador has Assange on their soil, imagine what concessions they could get from the USA for handing him over

Brilliant move by Ecuador there

Just an update on Aliaksandr Barankov, which holds some hope for Assange's status.

Ecuador judge rejects request to extradite Belarusian asylum seeker after fears that he would be killed


A judge on Ecuador's highest court has rejected a request to extradite an asylum seeker from Belarus amid fears he would be killed if he returned to his homeland.
Former police officer Aliaksandr Barankov has been in an Ecuadorian jail since June, after his home country accused him of fraud and extortion.
His case came under the spotlight after Ecuador granted political asylum to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange earlier this month.
Judge Carlos Ramirez, of the National Court of Justice, has now agreed Mr Barankov's political refugee status is justified and given the order for him to be freed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...asylum-seeker-fears-killed.html#ixzz27Y3aC4BG
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Maybe Ecuador is genuine after all in its dealings with Assange?
 
The bully boys are dropping their masks and establishing to the world that it is theirs to do with as they wish, regardless of borders and human rights.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/us-calls-assange-enemy-of-state-20120927-26m7s.html
THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States - the same legal category as the al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban insurgency.

Declassified US Air Force counter-intelligence documents, released under US freedom-of-information laws, reveal that military personnel who contact WikiLeaks or WikiLeaks supporters may be at risk of being charged with "communicating with the enemy", a military crime that carries a maximum sentence of death.

The documents, some originally classified "Secret/NoForn" not releasable to non-US nationals record a probe by the air force's Office of Special Investigations into a cyber systems analyst based in Britain who allegedly expressed support for WikiLeaks and attended pro-Assange demonstrations in London.

The counter-intelligence investigation focused on whether the analyst, who had a top-secret security clearance and access to the US military's Secret Internet Protocol Router network, had disclosed classified or sensitive information to WikiLeaks supporters, des-cribed as an "anti-US and/or anti-military group".

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The suspected offence was "communicating with the enemy, 104-D", an article in the US Uniform Code of Military Justice that prohibits military personnel from "communicating, corresponding or holding intercourse with the enemy".

The analyst's access to classified information was suspended. However, the investigators closed the case without laying charges. The analyst denied leaking information.

Assange remains holed up in Ecuador's embassy in London. He was granted diplomatic asylum on the grounds that if extradited to Sweden to be questioned about sexual assault allegations, he would be at risk of further extradition to the US to face espionage or conspiracy charges arising from the leaking of hundreds of thousands of secret US military and diplomatic reports.

US Vice-President Joe Biden labelled Assange a "high-tech terrorist" in December 2010 and US congressional leaders have called for him to be charged with espionage.

Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee - both once involved in presidential campaigns - have both urged that Assange be "hunted down".

Assange's US attorney, Michael Ratner, said the designation of WikiLeaks as an "enemy" had serious implications for the WikiLeaks publisher if he were to be extradited to the US, including possible military detention.

US Army private Bradley Manning faces a court martial charged with aiding the enemy - identified as al-Qaeda - by transmitting information that, published by WikiLeaks, became available to the enemy.

Mr Ratner said that under US law it would likely have been considered criminal for the US Air Force analyst to communicate classified material to journalists and publishers, but those journalists and publishers would not have been considered the enemy or prosecuted.

"However, in the FOI documents there is no allegation of any actual communication for publication that would aid an enemy of the United States such as al-Qaeda, nor are there allegations that WikiLeaks published such information," he said.

"Almost the entire set of documents is concerned with the analyst's communications with people close to and supporters of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, with the worry that she would disclose classified documents to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.

"It appears that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are the 'enemy'. An enemy is dealt with under the laws of war, which could include killing, capturing, detaining without trial, etc."

The Australian government has repeatedly denied knowledge of any US intention to charge Assange or seek his extradition.

However, Australian diplomatic cables released to Fairfax Media under freedom-of-information laws over the past 18 months have confirmed the continuation of an "unprecedented" US Justice Department espionage investigation targeting Assange and WikiLeaks.

The Australian diplomatic reports canvassed the possibility that the US may eventually seek Assange's extradition on conspiracy or information-theft-related offences to avoid extradition problems arising from the nature of espionage as a political offence and the free-speech protections in the US constitution.

Assange is scheduled this morning to speak by video link to a meeting on his asylum case on the margins of the United Nations General Assembly in New York. The meeting will be attended by Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino.

In a separate FOI decision yesterday, the Department of Foreign Affairs confirmed that the release of Australian diplomatic cables about WikiLeaks and Assange had been the subject of extensive consultation with the US.
 
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
This whole affair is pretty pathetic.

I wonder how many people actually believe that this is about the Swedish police wanting to question Assange over so-called sexual allegations... ?

just how stupid do they think people are??

it looks more like a case where they (the west led by the US) think that they don't need to give any explanations and dont need to follow due course and therefore any half baked argument will do.

And the Australian government is in co-hoots with these thugs ... 100%

I know.. How fraken moronic do the power structures take us for?

Sexual assault? They just lie and lie and lie.
 
geewiz said:
Yippe-Ki-Ya said:
This whole affair is pretty pathetic.

I wonder how many people actually believe that this is about the Swedish police wanting to question Assange over so-called sexual allegations... ?

just how stupid do they think people are??

it looks more like a case where they (the west led by the US) think that they don't need to give any explanations and dont need to follow due course and therefore any half baked argument will do.

And the Australian government is in co-hoots with these thugs ... 100%

I know.. How fraken moronic do the power structures take us for?

Sexual assault? They just lie and lie and lie.

Very!!!!
 
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