Two problems with silver

billbob78 said:
Just clarify, producing more than one product does not mean that a mine produces only the one product. Yes it may produce lead, zinc and silver, it's silver is not considered a by-product because it is specifically targeted. Base on the production number reported in 2013 Cannington did produce the highest volume in 2013. Do you have any backup printed where it states that silver is a by-product? If so I will humbly apologise.


"In 2010 it was the largest and lowest cost silver and leads mine in the world, representing 6 per cent of the world's primary silver production." As noted in the article below... I would like to highlight ... 6 per cent of the world's primary silver production...... I take it the article seems to think it is a primary product...

http://www.miningoilgas.com.au/index.php/products/a-z?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=10&sobi2Id=130


But I am looking forward to any reference you can make... And again my apologies if I am wrong.

you are if the lead was not there the mine wouldn't be either, value wise it makes more $$ per year from lead alone than silver. 70% of the ore is lead, which gets extracted first then is processed to get the silver. it is a lead mine that produces silver not the other way around.

Silver is the byproduct taken out after the lead is concentrated, making it the BYPRODUCT of the mine

Lead and zinc concentrate processing

Processing steps used to produce the lead and zinc concentrates include comminution, flotation, leaching and dewatering. Waste water is pumped to a tailings dam with the flotation overflow. The overflow from the lead concentrate thickener is recycled to the lead flotation circuit. The operation of the concentrator is automated with progammable logic controllers (PLCs), an online sample analyser being used to provide continuous assays on a number of the concentrator streams for silver, lead and zinc. The silver is leached from the lead and zinc concentrates before smelting.
 
Court Jester said:
you are if the lead was not there the mine wouldn't be either, value wise it makes more $$ per year from lead alone than silver. 70% of the ore is lead, which gets extracted first then is processed to get the silver. it is a lead mine that produces silver not the other way around.

Silver is the byproduct taken out after the lead is concentrated, making it the BYPRODUCT of the mine
BS.
Broken Hill has a similar geology where the ore contains silver, lead and zinc. Silver was the primary target.
Revenues of lead now exceed silver only because the silver price has crapped itself. When the mine was commissioned, and for many years after, silver was the primary revenue.

Thursday, May 15, 2014

...Australia may well be the fourth biggest silver producer in the world and is home to the globe's largest primary silver mine (Cannington) but you hear very little about the white metal in this country.
Source: http://www.miningnews.net/knowledgebase/company/cannington/
 
wrcmad said:
Court Jester said:
you are if the lead was not there the mine wouldn't be either, value wise it makes more $$ per year from lead alone than silver. 70% of the ore is lead, which gets extracted first then is processed to get the silver. it is a lead mine that produces silver not the other way around.

Silver is the byproduct taken out after the lead is concentrated, making it the BYPRODUCT of the mine
BS.
Broken Hill has a similar geology where the ore contains silver, lead and zinc. Silver was the primary target.
Revenues of lead now exceed silver only because the silver price has crapped itself. When the mine was commissioned, and for many years after, silver was the primary revenue.

Thursday, May 15, 2014

...Australia may well be the fourth biggest silver producer in the world and is home to the globe's largest primary silver mine (Cannington) but you hear very little about the white metal in this country.
Source: http://www.miningnews.net/knowledgebase/company/cannington/


For starters we are talking about cannington not broken hill

you are quoting an article that uses the same source as the other person here what is wrong

here is a recent news article dated 01/10/2014 with a quote saying silver is a byproduct where cannington is specifically mentioned and it will be left in teh ground to support the silver price.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/anal...metal-hits-fouryear-lows-20141001-10ompi.html


just in case you dont want to read the whole thing.

In Australia, half of the country's silver output comes from BHP's Cannington silver and lead mine in north-west Queensland. Other significant silver mines are Glencore Xstrata's McArthur River mine in the Northern Territory, Zhongjin Lingnan's Broken Hill mine in New South Wales, Cobar Consolidated's Wonawinta mine in New South Wales, and Minmetals' Rosebery Base mine in Tasmania.
BHP is the world's second-biggest silver miner, just behind Mexico's Fresnillo.
Mr Battershill pointed out that over the next two years about 10 per cent of the world's zinc production will come off stream. The silver extracted as a byproduct in those mines will, therefore, stay in the ground and give some firm support to the silver price. "That's more of a fundamental reason to own it than gold, I would say," said Mr Battershill, who tipped a silver price of $US17.50 for the end of the year


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/anal...ryear-lows-20141001-10ompi.html#ixzz3IHfAMDAy

again let me make this clear LEAD is the main product at cannington silver is a byprouct in value, vloume and in production terms.
 
Mr Battershill pointed out that over the next two years about 10 per cent of the world's zinc production will come off stream. The silver extracted as a byproduct in those mines will, therefore, stay in the ground and give some firm support to the silver price

He is referring to the zinc mines mate.
 
billbob78 said:
Mr Battershill pointed out that over the next two years about 10 per cent of the world's zinc production will come off stream. The silver extracted as a byproduct in those mines will, therefore, stay in the ground and give some firm support to the silver price

He is referring to the zinc mines mate.


which cannington is a massive zinc mine primarily with silver as a byproduct extracted from the LEAD concentrate and is like I said specifically mentioned in that article you seem to have missed this part and where it also calls silver a BYPRODUT

again just in case you missed it where they specifically point out cannington:

In Australia, half of the country's silver output comes from BHP's Cannington silver and lead mine in north-west Queensland.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/anal...ryear-lows-20141001-10ompi.html#ixzz3IHnpTgbu

and again where they call silver a bypeoduct

BHP is the world's second-biggest silver miner, just behind Mexico's Fresnillo.
Mr Battershill pointed out that over the next two years about 10 per cent of the world's zinc production will come off stream. The silver extracted as a byproduct in those mines will, therefore, stay in the ground and give some firm support to the silver price
 
Cannington is not closing in in 2 years time, he is referring to Zinc mines. It is that lead which he is referring to which may well be by-products.

He is not making a statement that Cannington is closing down, nor does he refer to Cannington producing a silver byproduct, they actually refer to it as a Silver and Lead mine.
 
Declining ore grades, energy and labor costs increasing, extreme cost cutting...

The Dark Side Of The Silver Mining Industry

..The top primary silver miners average yield declined 41% from 13 oz/t in 2005, to 7.6 oz/t in 2013. The top 6 mines and companies included in the chart above are BHP Billiton's Cannington mine, Fresnillo, Pan American Silver, Polymetal's Dukat & Lunnoye mines, Hochschild and Hecla.

zR5l9zd.jpg


Four of the mines suffered year over year declines while two actually increased yields. Here is the breakdown:

Change in Yield (2012-2013)

BHP Cannington mine = - 1.0 oz/t

Fresnillo mine = -1.2 oz/t

Pan American Silver = -0.3 oz/t

Polymetal = +0.6 oz/t

Hochschild = -0.4 oz/t

Hecla = +1.0 oz/t

Both BHP Cannington and the Fresnillo mine will continue to see their average ore grades decline in the next few years, however Fresnillo's silver grades should stabilize at 271 grams per tonne.

Hecla increased its average yield at its Greens Creek mine in Alaska by more than an ounce in 2013, which was the contributing factor pushing its average yield higher last year.

Declining ore grades are the Dark Side of the mining sector because the industry would rather not advertise its impact on the cost of producing silver. This next chart shows the increase in total processed ore since 2005.

...Even though the average silver yield only declined 41% since 2005, the amount of processed ore increased 65% from 9.4 million tonnes in 2005 to 15.5 million tonnes in 2013. Not only has the amount of processed tonnage increased to produce less silver in 2013 compared to 2005 the costs of energy, labor and materials have doubled or tripled during the same time period.

More: http://srsroccoreport.com/the-dark-.../the-dark-side-of-the-silver-mining-industry/
 
M
SilverPete said:
Declining ore grades, energy and labor costs increasing, extreme cost cutting...

The Dark Side Of The Silver Mining Industry

..The top primary silver miners average yield declined 41% from 13 oz/t in 2005, to 7.6 oz/t in 2013. The top 6 mines and companies included in the chart above are BHP Billiton's Cannington mine, Fresnillo, Pan American Silver, Polymetal's Dukat & Lunnoye mines, Hochschild and Hecla.

http://i.imgur.com/zR5l9zd.jpg

Four of the mines suffered year over year declines while two actually increased yields. Here is the breakdown:

Change in Yield (2012-2013)

BHP Cannington mine = - 1.0 oz/t

Fresnillo mine = -1.2 oz/t

Pan American Silver = -0.3 oz/t

Polymetal = +0.6 oz/t

Hochschild = -0.4 oz/t

Hecla = +1.0 oz/t

Both BHP Cannington and the Fresnillo mine will continue to see their average ore grades decline in the next few years, however Fresnillo's silver grades should stabilize at 271 grams per tonne.

Hecla increased its average yield at its Greens Creek mine in Alaska by more than an ounce in 2013, which was the contributing factor pushing its average yield higher last year.

Declining ore grades are the Dark Side of the mining sector because the industry would rather not advertise its impact on the cost of producing silver. This next chart shows the increase in total processed ore since 2005.

...Even though the average silver yield only declined 41% since 2005, the amount of processed ore increased 65% from 9.4 million tonnes in 2005 to 15.5 million tonnes in 2013. Not only has the amount of processed tonnage increased to produce less silver in 2013 compared to 2005 the costs of energy, labor and materials have doubled or tripled during the same time period.

More: http://srsroccoreport.com/the-dark-.../the-dark-side-of-the-silver-mining-industry/


Sorry mate, according to someone here, you are also wrong... Apparently Cannington is not a silver mine....:lol:
 
We could sling articles all night.... :lol:
Here are a few more:

Top 3 Primary Silver-producing Mines of 2012
The top three for 2012 are located in Australia, Mexico and Russia....
Cannington mine, Australia
http://silverinvestingnews.com/1875...lliton-polymetal-mexico-australia-russia.html

Less Scrap Means Total Silver Supplies Fell In 2013

Primary silver output accounted for 29% of global silver mine supply, the report said.
The gains included new output from Escobal in Guatemala, the start of Del Toro and the
continued ramp-up of Saucito in Mexico, and also the restart of Lucky Friday in the U.S. following shaft remediation, the report said. This helped counter lower output from the world's two largest primary mines, Cannington and Fresnillo.
http://www.kitco.com/news/2014-05-1...Means-Total-Silver-Supplies-Fell-In-2013.html

And... from the owner.... BHP Billiton: :P

Dean Dalla Valle was appointed President, Coal in May 2013.
He has 36 years' experience in BHP Billiton. Mr Dalla Valle was
previously the President of the Uranium business for three years
and prior to that held the positions of Asset President, Olympic
Dam, Asset President of the Cannington silver mine....
Source: BHPBilliton Summary Review 2013
 
billbob78 said:
Cannington is not closing in in 2 years time, he is referring to Zinc mines (Perseverance, Brunswick and Century). It is that lead which he is referring to which may well be by-products.

He is not making a statement that Cannington is closing down, nor does he refer to Cannington producing a silver byproduct, they actually refer to it as a Silver and Lead mine.

you are a complete moron

no one said cannington is closing

they say silver is a byproduct and it will be left in the ground to support the silver price i.e. cannington will still be producing lead just not extracting the silver BYPRODUCT


you have the reading comprehension skills of retarded monkey with half a brain
 
Sorry WRCMAD, apparently ALL those articles are wrong..... Ha ha... It appears we can not trust anything we read anymore...
 
wrcmad said:
We could sling articles all night.... :lol:
Here are a few more:

Top 3 Primary Silver-producing Mines of 2012
The top three for 2012 are located in Australia, Mexico and Russia....
Cannington mine, Australia
http://silverinvestingnews.com/1875...lliton-polymetal-mexico-australia-russia.html

Less Scrap Means Total Silver Supplies Fell In 2013

Primary silver output accounted for 29% of global silver mine supply, the report said.
The gains included new output from Escobal in Guatemala, the start of Del Toro and the
continued ramp-up of Saucito in Mexico, and also the restart of Lucky Friday in the U.S. following shaft remediation, the report said. This helped counter lower output from the world's two largest primary mines, Cannington and Fresnillo.
http://www.kitco.com/news/2014-05-1...Means-Total-Silver-Supplies-Fell-In-2013.html

And... from the owner.... BHP Billiton: :P

Dean Dalla Valle was appointed President, Coal in May 2013.
He has 36 years' experience in BHP Billiton. Mr Dalla Valle was
previously the President of the Uranium business for three years
and prior to that held the positions of Asset President, Olympic
Dam, Asset President of the Cannington silver mine....

it does mine silver so techinally it is a silver mine but it is not the primary product produced there

that is lead, then zinc. That is why they are looking at not extracting the silver byproduct.
 
billbob78 said:
Sorry WRCMAD, apparently ALL those articles are wrong..... Ha ha... It appears we can not trust anything we read anymore...

again turtle-heading retard

it is a silver mine

just not a PRIMARY silver mine that extracts silver as its prime metal, it extracts ZINC with silver as a byproduct. I never said it did not produce silver just that it is not the primary metal at the mine.
 
"they say silver is a byproduct and it will be left in the ground to support the silver price i.e. cannington will still be producing lead just not extracting the silver BYPRODUCT"

I have been an analyst in base metal mining for 15 years and this statement clearly indicates you don't know what you are talking about.
 
billbob78 said:
"they say silver is a byproduct and it will be left in the ground to support the silver price i.e. cannington will still be producing lead just not extracting the silver BYPRODUCT"

I have been an analyst in base metal mining for 15 years and this statement clearly indicates you don't know what you are talking about.

BS you clearly dont have a clue and cant read what is wrong about that statement

please do tell us

read the article again I am just quoting it. but you aare the :so called "expert" lol expert at spinning BS

Silver @ cannington is a byproduct and will not be produced to support the silver price, canningting will still be operations producing lead

you are a dead set moron worse than the end
 
billbob78 said:
"they say silver is a byproduct and it will be left in the ground to support the silver price i.e. cannington will still be producing lead just not extracting the silver BYPRODUCT"

I have been an analyst in base metal mining for 15 years and this statement clearly indicates you don't know what you are talking about.
I have a 20 year background in process metallurgy, including 16 years at BHP, and apparently I don't know shit from clay. :lol:
 
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