Trying to argue with people who don't believe in the "collapse"

TreasureHunter

TreasureHunter

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I believe 90 % of the people are clueless about the possibility (and likeliness) of a collapse.

How does it feel arguing with them? The image below illustrates pretty well how they react:

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Some people are sawing the bridge under them: the way they spend, the way the waste, the way they go with the crowd.

And many of them have a special talent in ignoring reality. And viciously attacking anyone who'll try to prove them what's obvious.

No, you can't open everyone's eyes.

Noah could couldn't save all people either (no, it wasn't because of his boat's size, it was big enough to save the "believers").

3 days ago someone told me how she "always buys the latest Samsung phone" and that 2 years is "just way too long" to change her phone model. Lives on credit.

99 % of people around don't even believe in the possibility of a collapse occurring. Let alone, it's potential depth.

Back in 2008 I was stunned when I got confronted by numb-minded people around me: they literally refused to believe that the crisis was undergoing. No matter how hard I tried to point out to them: the riots, the interest rates, the terrible currency exchange rate, the decrease of salaries, the increase of food prices.

Someone laughed me in the face, trying to convince me that I was naive and "being manipulated".

Currently they guy lives on credit and he's upset because the credit rates are worse and worse (the bank forces him to take more and more out of his pocket each month). Yet, he's convinced "it's just bad politics" and someone is "just corrupt".

I'm amazed how dumb people are. Even highly-educated, seemingly intelligent people are lost.

Don't argue with rabid cats. Just take care of yourself and your family.
 
i just do as you say in your last sentence.
society has a lot of chaff that needs to be winnowed away. don't waste time trying to turn chaff into grain.
i view lots of ignorant people as being less competition for me.

what really irks me is that increasingly i see governments taking from those that proactively help themselves and give it to those who don't. not allowing the wind to separate the chaff from the grain.
 
As our civilisation becomes more complex year by year people become less and less able to handle complexity.

I guess this is simply because of overload as more and more innanity and distraction is shoved into people’s lives by the internet combined with the media lying about everything all the time. The human psyche has never been confronted with a constant barrage like this ever before in human history.

It’s not surprising then that people go into denial over reality itself to protect ourselves against overload and psychic collapse. One way to do this is to embrace broad, simplistic “solutions” like socialism. Another way is to just go into denial and hope that everything will be fine.
 
Shaddam IV said:
As our civilisation becomes more complex year by year people become less and less able to handle complexity.

I guess this is simply because of overload as more and more innanity and distraction is shoved into people’s lives by the internet combined with the media lying about everything all the time. The human psyche has never been confronted with a constant barrage like this ever before in human history.

It’s not surprising then that people go into denial over reality itself to protect ourselves against overload and psychic collapse. One way to do this is to embrace broad, simplistic “solutions” like socialism. Another way is to just go into denial and hope that everything will be fine.
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How trued: good point on psychological collapse.
Morality's collapse, cultural collapse, traditional life's collapse. I think the parts of society, which have strayed away from traditional way of life are going to struggle a lot to find the right way to live (if a major collapse really occurs).

It's denial indeed, but many people are incapable of perceiving and analyzing facts. They're just dumb and mentally blind.

Indeed, the situation is like described in religion (Christianity): people lose their way (it's like losing faith) and the few people who are able to see reality (e.g. "believe in God") are essentially "waving into blind eyes". It's like the story of Noah. And so many other in the Bible. Not that I'd be that religious, but the symbolical value of those stories is fascinating.

I find ecommerce and a plethora of things happening in the digital world a bubble. A tremendous bubble. Worse than the "dotcom bubble". This too will implode.
Yet, people can't be anything else but enthusiastic.
 
I've noticed that teachers seem to be the worst, and I figure that the govt must be making a special effort to ensure they're brainwashed so they'll pass it on to our kids.

I also figured that while I'm waiting for them to wake up I may as well look for ways to profit from their ignorance. I've noticed I can get good odds on Sportsbet when the fake news is at it's worst. So during the 2016 elections I bet on Trump as the odds were looking so good, and also bet on Scott Morison during the Australian elections. I don't bet on horse races.
 
Never, ever, .. do I mix politics with religion !

In fact, sometimes I reckon society can be like an association with a club.
I'm always an associate member.
:)
 
What do you mean by collapse, a big recession like GFC Great Depression, Germany after WW1 or Venezuela/Zimbawee level crisis?
I wouldnt worry about any of the stuff listed personally.

Bearing in mind no civilisation disappeared because of mere economic collapse.
 
Just personally ( I can't speak for TreasureHunter) I am expecting a major economic downturn, as are a lot of people. Will the world end?, of course not.

And as I currently rely on the construction industry, I am preparing for the worst ( no income , or a greatly reduced income, at best ).
 
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^ Agreed. We are now some 28 years past our last "real" recession in Australia. Economic history usually show some form of downturn / recession approx every 7 years give or take as part of the economic cycle. Those downturns / recessions help re-set an economy by flushing out bad Govt policy / work practices / unprofitable companies....thus my fear is that when the balloon does go up on the Australian economy, the level of pain to be felt will be nothing like we have seen before (maybe except for the Great Depression which few people can now claim to have lived through) as we have had no "pressure value blowouts" in that time thus the bang when it comes will be big.

The Govt of the day will think politically and attempt a massive debt fueled spending to stave off a recession (ie such as Rudd's Pink Batts, BER, $900.00 vouchers etc etc) in order to be re-elected rather than letting the economy / markets re-set via a recession and find their new level. I have very little time for Paul Keating, but he was right once in 1990... "This is the recession we had to have".

To come back to the topic of this thread, it's hard for many people (mostly under the age of 40) to accept that the good times will not keep on keeping on as they never experienced a recession with 10%+ unemployment or official interest rates of near 20% in the late 80's which kicked off the recession, and probably never read about it either.
 
Oddjob said:
^ Agreed. We are now some 28 years past our last "real" recession in Australia. Economic history usually show some form of downturn / recession approx every 7 years give or take as part of the economic cycle. Those downturns / recessions help re-set an economy by flushing out bad Govt policy / work practices / unprofitable companies....thus my fear is that when the balloon does go up on the Australian economy, the level of pain to be felt will be nothing like we have seen before (maybe except for the Great Depression which few people can now claim to have lived through) as we have had no "pressure value blowouts" in that time thus the bang when it comes will be big.

The Govt of the day will think politically and attempt a massive debt fueled spending to stave off a recession (ie such as Rudd's Pink Batts, BER, $900.00 vouchers etc etc) in order to be re-elected rather than letting the economy / markets re-set via a recession and find their new level. I have very little time for Paul Keating, but he was right once in 1990... "This is the recession we had to have".

To come back to the topic of this thread, it's hard for many people (mostly under the age of 40) to accept that the good times will not keep on keeping on as they never experienced a recession with 10%+ unemployment or official interest rates of near 20% in the late 80's which kicked off the recession, and probably never read about it either.
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If and when it happens could just be the right time for you to move back to NZ

We hardly felt the 2008 GFC crisis
 
Silverman99 said:
If and when it happens could just be the right time for you to move back to NZ
Oddjob: Do a Comey and flee to NZ when the going gets bad?? LOL......That move is still on the cards for one day.


We hardly felt the 2008 GFC crisis
Oddjob: Because Key was elected in 2008???
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People dont learn anything about money in school except that you need to spend to build credit and to get more credit, the same as I was told from high school age.
It took years for me to learn what I know now and only after having financial hardships in the past.
I had no idea how bad things really were and I never had learned the history of the metals or money and we lost alot but I also learned alot from it and will never go there again.
Theres something about having to live under a bridge with my family that woke me up fast haha.
Now my kids are also stackers and savers and they will be better off if they stick to the basics. They learned from our mistakes and I'm happy for that. My kids have a head start that I never had and we have come a long way since then.
 
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