Trustee Structure - Corporate or Individual?

jorgon said:
nonrecourse said:
A child can be a member of a fund with the a corporate Trustee if another member of the fund is also a director in the corporate Trustee and acts as the guardian until the child reaches the age of 18. I know I did it with my son. I passed minutes that documented this but our stupid accountant and auditor did not flag this to the ATO which resulted in us having a desk audit.
When I supplied the documentation it passed.

The problem about having minor children as members of an SMSF with a corporate trustee has only recently been recognised by the ATO. It was raised in the National Tax Liaison Group (NTLG) Superannuation Technical Sub-group (STS) meeting of September 2010 (item 6.8). The sub-group is made up of ATO officers and superannuation tax professionals and regularly meets to discuss superannuation tax matters.

In the meeting, the ATO stated "we do not consider that it is within the scope of (the legislation) to regard a fund as an SMSF if it has members who are under 18 years, a corporate trustee and the parent/guardian is not a legal personal representative". It stated that it was aware of less than 50 funds that may be in the position of effectively being treated as SMSFs even though they have members under 18 years of age and a corporate trustee in place and that it intended to resolve the issues with these funds "within the next six to nine months".

In other words, these funds may not have been operating lawfully in the past and the ATO has only just realised this. From the notes of the meeting you get the impression that the ATO would be lenient on these funds and offer them some way to make amends.

The problem arises because of a combination of these four things:-
(a) The Corporations Act does not permit a minor child to be a director of the corporate trustee.
(b) The Superannuation Industry (Supervision) Act ("the SIS Act") requires that each member is a director of the corporate trustee.
(c) The SIS Act provides some exceptions to the requirement at (b). In particular it provides that a parent or guardian can be a trustee instead of a minor child. The word "trustee" here clearly refers to individual trustees and not to a director of a corporate trustee. So this does not work in the case of a corporate trustee.
(d) The SIS Act also permits a "legal personal representative" to be a director of the corporate trustee instead of a minor child. However legal personal representative is defined [in section 10(2)] as meaning:-
the executor of the will or administrator of the estate of a deceased person, the trustee of the estate of a person under a legal disability or a person who holds an enduring power of attorney granted by a person.

Since a child cannot grant a valid power of attorney and (contrary to the belief of some) a parent is not automatically the trustee of the child's estate, this does not work either. And here it is clear that the trustee would need to be a trustee of the whole of the child's estate, and not just of that part of it that happens to be within the fund. Hence it is not possible to get round the rules by the parent declaring a trust in respect of monies contributed to the fund for the child.

These problems don't arise where the SMSF has individual trustees, because then the child can be represented on the fund by one or both parents under (c) above (exactly how this is done will depend on the terms of the trust deed).

Hi Jorgon;
After sifting through a lot of material about this I did come across an ATO meeting that addressed this issue and strictly speaking you are correct that you need a legal representative to act as trustee.

Having said that I came across this on the cleardocs website

Can I have a corporate trustee and a member who is not 18 years of age?
The law does not allow an under 18 member for a SMSF with a corporate trustee. This is because the Superannuation Industry (Supervision) Act 1993 (SIS Act) requires:

1.Each director of the corporate trustee to also be a member of the SMSF; and
2.The Corporations Act 2001 requires a company director to be at least 18.
However, according to the SIS Act, if a member of a fund is under 18 and does not have a legal personal representative, then the minor may be a member provided that the parent or guardian of the minor is a trustee of the fund in place of the minor

Read more: http://www.cleardocs.com/resources-legal-faq-smsf.html#4#ixzz1egwc0Jbh
 
hiho said:
There are five main reasons why you should use a special purpose PTY LTD company as trustee for your SMSF:
A.Administrative efficiency
B.To have a single member fund
C.Ability to pay lump sums rather than just a pensions
D.Access to the 15% pension rebate
E.Liability protection

SMSF's with individual trustees may also draw lumpsums out of their super after retirement.

not sure about the 15% pension rebate thingie ... what exactly do you mean??
 
Hi nonrecourse

I'm afraid that the words you have quoted whilst strictly true, present a misleading picture.
In so far as they imply in the ordinary case that the SIS Act permits a child under the age of 18 to be a member of a fund where there is a corporate trustee, this is incorrect for the reasons given in my post.
 
jorgon said:
Hi nonrecourse

I'm afraid that the words you have quoted whilst strictly true, present a misleading picture.
In so far as they imply in the ordinary case that the SIS Act permits a child under the age of 18 to be a member of a fund where there is a corporate trustee, this is incorrect for the reasons given in my post.

Hi Jorgon; I'm not disagreeing with you I have seen the minutes of the ATO SMSF sub group meeting back in 2010. We were one of the ones who did this (added our two sons to our SMSF,the younger one was only 16). Both we and the ATO were unaware at that stage there was a problem. I made minutes to say I as a director of our corporate Trustee was acting as guardian. The auditor failed to flag this and when the ATO checked the ASIC register this triggered a desk audit. At the time our then accountants were hopeless so I dealt directly with the ATO supplied the minutes showing I was acting as guardian and the ATO then passed it.

Why did I want my Children in our super at that age? The co-contribution if you contributed $1000 was $1500. Do that from age 16 to 24 with a 5% return over 49 years adds another $80,000 to their super. Of course our hard Labour government has since reduced the $1500 to $1000 and also knocked off the indexed increases. I love it when labour voters tell me that they look after the working class.
 
jorgon said:
One thing to note is that a minor child cannot be a member of a fund with a corporate trustee.

This will soon be allowed. As mentioned previously this was an anomaly in the legislation, and it will soon be amended by the Tax Laws Amendment 2011 (Measures No.9) Bill 2011 which is currently before the Federal Parliament. This will permit a parent or guardian to be a director of a corporate trustee in place of a minor child [an amendment will be made to section 17A(3)(c) of the Superannuation Industry Supervision Act 1993]. It is intended that this amendment will have retrospective effect.
 
jorgon said:
jorgon said:
One thing to note is that a minor child cannot be a member of a fund with a corporate trustee.

This will soon be allowed. As mentioned previously this was an anomaly in the legislation, and it will soon be amended by the Tax Laws Amendment 2011 (Measures No.9) Bill 2011 which is currently before the Federal Parliament. This will permit a parent or guardian to be a director of a corporate trustee in place of a minor child [an amendment will be made to section 17A(3)(c) of the Superannuation Industry Supervision Act 1993]. It is intended that this amendment will have retrospective effect.

Thanks for the update jorgon. Common sense isn't very common but in this case it prevailed.

Kind Regards
non recourse
 
jorgon said:
The bill has now passed and is now law. And it is retrospective.

If you have an SMSF and you have a corporate trustee and you also have one or two children there is some limited advantage in adding them to your fund before the 30th of June. This is the last year that the co-contribution will match a $1000 contribution because the hard Labour mob have knocked that nice little earner out for anyone earning between $31,400 and about $61,000 on a sliding scale. After the 2011/2012 financial year the co-contribution drops down to $250.

Kind Regards
non recourse
 
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