Treasurer lashes out at 'poison' of tycoons

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Big A.D. said:
Gino said:
Big A.D. said:
If you really think someone should be able to get their own way in this country just because they've got a shitload of money in the bank, I don't think I'm the one who has to worry about diseased politics.

Or they could create a semi-official sounding "think tank" like the "Palmer Institute for Economic Policy" or something and offer advisory positions to otherwise has been politicians. That seems to work to guide the development of public policy as well.

Exactly.

Then we can all ignore them.

Buying up newspapers and TV stations to push their propaganda directly onto the public is the point where public debate starts to become drowned out by their vested interests and private agendas.

Unfortunately, I don't believe there is such a thing as the euphemism of "public debate", but reckon this argument is better characterised as the established form of media control fighting to ensure its monopoly.

When I hear political and media personalities all goose-stepping in unison to attack and condemn another class of people, I am very hesitant to accept their critisisms and accusations. Particularly when they all have a vested interest in the planned theft of wealth from those being condemned.

But clearly, we don't all see the same obvious truths.
 
Well, he's been working at Macquarie Bank for the last seven years.

Look at some of the things this bank gets up to!!
As bad as jp Morgan and the others.
 
Chillidog said:
Big A.D. said:
Well, he's been working at Macquarie Bank for the last seven years.

Look at some of the things this bank gets up to!!
As bad as jp Morgan and the others.

So it's okay to criticise a politician for not having any experience working at a large public company or a bank (or in this case, both), but then it's also okay to criticise them if they do have the experience?

Either we want someone with that experience or we don't.
 
Big A.D. said:
jparrie said:
Big A.D. said:
Between him and his wife I think they're only missing the gig with the World Bank/IMF.

Really? What external business experience does he have? I'm not interested in his Mrs, only him.

Well, he's been working at Macquarie Bank for the last seven years.


Ahh Macquarie bank.. I remember when they used to be a wanna-be investment bank. Now they're a wanna-be investment bank near death. Their T1 bonds are rated BB !
 
Big A.D. said:
Either we want someone with that experience or we don't.

Carr hasn't got any private business experience as I thought, he was a consultant for Macquarie, he knows sweet f-all about running a company or what it takes to run a company.

How can you criticize entrepreneurs for trying to defend themselves against these public socialist leeches? They are going to do what they can to defend themselves. At least they use their own money to promote their cause, unlike Labor Leeches who simply steal taxpayers money to pursue their own sad, divisive ideologies.

Someone has to stand up for private industry, and even for individuals who have had the audacity to do well for themselves who are currently the subject of the politics of envy from this pathetic bunch of closet reds. I'd rather have private industry setting our tax policy than these useless socialist thieves any day.
 
Didn't realise Bob Carr was a topic here. But...

The only way you can realistically describe his appointment as a part-time consultant to Macquarie Bank is as pay back for the private-public partnerships (so called) pioneered under Carr as premier. I mean, MacBank benefitted big time under the 10 years of the Carr government, seems only fair they, um ... made use of his expertise in his retirement.

Maybe it's because they can't afford him anymore that he's back from retirement. It will be interesting to see who he consults for after his next stint in public office.
 
Jonesy said:
NSW voters have a long memory of suffering under the corruption of his government.

And the government that followed. Wasn't that long ago we were all laughing at the obvious corrupt links with developers, with a special planning minister to squash any disapproval from locals for their crony developments.

Here's an interesting piece from TheAge newspaper this morning.

It will be in the NSW government's financial interests to approve Mr Carr's Senate spot as quickly as possible. The state government is set to save at least $460,000 a year for a long as Mr Carr is in federal parliament.

As a former premier, Mr Carr is entitled to claim transport and telephone costs as well as a city office and staff. Yesterday, a spokesman for Mr O'Farrell confirmed that Mr Carr's entitlements would be suspended while Mr Carr was in the Senate.

This morning, Mr Carr said there would be no conflict of interest in his new foreign affairs role.

Since resigning as NSW premier in 2005, Mr Carr worked as a lobbyist for Macquarie Bank and Mallesons Stephen Jaques.

''There's not the remotest chance of a conflict of interest,'' he told ABC radio on Monday. ''I'd be super-sensitive of making a decision that affected anyone I've been even speaking to in the private sector.

"If I've been intimately involved with a commercial matter I would seek advice . . . but it simply won't arise,'' Mr Carr said.

Mr Carr has also hired a barrister to help him sever his links with Macquarie and Mallesons.

But Australian Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon has called on Mr Carr to disclose his client list.

''There's a public expectation that Bob Carr should not be free to move seamlessly between big business and politics without disclosing whose interests he has been representing,'' she said today in a statement.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...to-wait-to-take-his-place-20120305-1ubot.html

$460,000 ?? Wasn't that the amount Julia gave herself as a pay rise just recently?
 
Yeah, it's not like NSW ministers haven't had any sort of vested interest (read : massive conflict of interest) in real estate and developers...

State Housing MInister has 14 properties

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HE may be the state's Housing Minister but, as a landlord, Matt Brown claims to not know what is going on.

At one of Mr Brown's 14 investment properties in Ultimo in the inner city, tenants pay exorbitant rent to live in cramped conditions.

The Daily Telegraph discovered five people squeezed into a tiny two-bedroom apartment - one tucked into a corner of the living room in a makeshift "room" fashioned from cupboards, suitcases and a black sheet.

Mr Brown last night said he was shocked to learn about the state of his investment unit and would be contacting his real estate agent.

"I'm surprised and disappointed that five people are living in the two-bedroom apartment," he said.

But Mr Brown is just one of a new class of landlord MPs who are taking over the NSW property investment market.

An investigation by The Daily Telegraph has revealed more than one in three state politicians have investment properties, including some whose portfolios span more than two continents and the breadth of Australia.

Trendy inner-city areas such as Potts Point, Darling Point and Surry Hills - where they can attract some of the highest rents in Sydney - are among the most popular for our new class of landlord MPs.

According to the Parliament's pecuniary interests register, 47 out of the 135 MPs in NSW have second homes or rental investment properties - many have multiple properties.

Iris Liu, a commerce masters student at the nearby University of Sydney, said she paid $110 per week to share a room with another woman in Mr Brown's overcrowded unit.

"It's a little bit crowded but the space is enough for me," she said.

Ms Liu, who moved in four weeks ago, paid her portion of the rent to a man she called her "landlord", who shared the apartment's only other bedroom with another resident.

The extent of the investment in the property market by NSW Parliamentarians has raised questions as to why NSW still remained one of the only states to not have a cap on rental increases.

There has also been resistance to reforming tenancy laws in NSW, where the onus still remains with tenants to argue against rent increases before the courts.

Mr Brown is the most prolific landlord in Parliament, with properties listed in Ultimo, Inverell, Ayr, Rotorua (NZ), White Rock, Secret Harbour, Brisbane, Canningvale, Campbelltown, South Brisbane, Bushlands Beach, two more lots in undisclosed locations as well as his home in Kiama.



Nationals MP George Souris has 12, including properties in Redfern, Surry Hills and Darling Point - as well as six in Kythera, Greece.

House leader John Aquilina is also a leader in the property stakes, with an investment apartment in York St, on top of his family home in Blacktown and a holiday house - plus adjoining vacant lot - in Portland.

Police Minister David Campbell has six properties in total - although two of them are car spaces - including two apartments in Potts Point.

Greens MP Sylvia Hale, who owns an investment property where she has not increased the rent since 1990, said there was a need to overhaul the laws to protect tenants from unscrupulous landlords.

"I would see it would fit with our broader policies of not exploiting people. We believe there needs to be a review of the Residential Tenancy Act," she said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...as-14-properties/story-e6frezt9-1111116083951

Our political system is beyond help. The corruption via conflict of interest is long and far reaching and always above reproach.

What else do you expect of a nation settled by criminals, built by criminals and run by criminals?

....and people wonder why I don't bother voting.
 
Carr used to announce large infrastructure projects, give obscene amounts of state money to his corporate friends as "consultancy fees", scrap the project and move onto the next project. He basically bled the state dry transferring money to the private sector by this method. That's why I shake my head when people say "The Liberals are all about looking after big business". Labor does the same thing, but they hide it.

Carr moving into the ministry completes a cabal of utter corruption.
 
Gino said:
Jonesy said:
NSW voters have a long memory of suffering under the corruption of his government.

And the government that followed.

...and the government that preceded Carr's.

I seem to remember Greiner resigning after the ICAC nailed him for fixing up someone with a cushy government job.
 
Like I've said many times on SS before.

Liberal - Labor?
Same thing
 
auspm said:
Like I've said many times on SS before.

Liberal - Labor?
Same thing

Not really. Yes, they both serve the same masters, but inept and corrupt middle management is devastating for a company, and we at the bottom suffer a lot more under bad management. Australia PtyLtd has had appalling middle management since Labor got in and we the public can certainly feel the difference between Howard and Gillrudd. Government is not irrelevant when their decisions directly effect you. Just ask anyone who has been laid off due to the Fair Work act or Union stupidity or who installs solar hot water systems or who were electrocuted installing batts. Those people don't have the luxury of the "philosophical" view on government, who is in Canberra calling the shots impacts them directly.

The prison may have the same warden all the time, but for the people in the cells it makes a BIG difference who the guards are.
 
Jonesy said:
auspm said:
Like I've said many times on SS before.

Liberal - Labor?
Same thing

Not really. Yes, they both serve the same masters, but inept and corrupt middle management is devastating for a company, and we at the bottom suffer a lot more under bad management. Australia PtyLtd has had appalling middle management since Labor got in and we the public can certainly feel the difference between Howard and Gillrudd. Government is not irrelevant when their decisions directly effect you. Just ask anyone who has been laid off due to the Fair Work act or Union stupidity or who installs solar hot water systems or who were electrocuted installing batts. Those people don't have the luxury of the "philosophical" view on government, who is in Canberra calling the shots impacts them directly.

The prison may have the same warden all the time, but for the people in the cells it makes a BIG difference who the guards are.

What about the wheat farmers when the Australian Wheat Board was bribing Iraq government ministers to sell Australian Wheat..No difference just a different piece of bad government, Oh I forgot who was the leader then? Who sold our gold?, I forget. Telstra Sold, Qantas sold, Airports sold etc. etc. My Lord , we sold the family silver because we don't want to owe anyone any debt.

Now we all know that the fiat system is propped up by continuing to borrow money so as to increase growth. In the financial crisis of 07/08, all members of the G20 were told to avert a depression happening then by returning home and spend up big time and to do so in a hurry. In the USA , the government through the Fed pumped money into the banks and gave every American $300 to stimulate the economy. The US Federal Reserve also gave 2 Australian banks $5.6 billion to keep them in the black.

In Australia, everyone got $900, the banks got none except for depositors account being safeguarded...Now what do you spend the rest of the money without hiking up the inflation rate...School buildings and pink batts in the ceiling became the order of the day..Now everyone knows that when governments are giving out contracts, it creates a feeding freenzy and waste of money ensues.

Every election now, the leaders of both parties give out the goodies to the people who put their noses in the trough and vote accordingly.

Bob Menzies once said, give the working man a cheap beer in one hand and a cig in the other and you have won a vote at the next election. Won't work today so what we will we give them voters, I know a tax cut and a baby bonus and a teenager bonus.


They are all the bloody same but mostly everyone supports Tony or Julia depending on how their own financial situation works out...

They are like the MSM always ready to tell you a good story every 3 years.

Regards Errol 43
 
errol43 said:
Jonesy said:
auspm said:
Like I've said many times on SS before.

Liberal - Labor?
Same thing

Not really. Yes, they both serve the same masters, but inept and corrupt middle management is devastating for a company, and we at the bottom suffer a lot more under bad management. Australia PtyLtd has had appalling middle management since Labor got in and we the public can certainly feel the difference between Howard and Gillrudd. Government is not irrelevant when their decisions directly effect you. Just ask anyone who has been laid off due to the Fair Work act or Union stupidity or who installs solar hot water systems or who were electrocuted installing batts. Those people don't have the luxury of the "philosophical" view on government, who is in Canberra calling the shots impacts them directly.

The prison may have the same warden all the time, but for the people in the cells it makes a BIG difference who the guards are.

What about the wheat farmers when the Australian Wheat Board was bribing Iraq government ministers to sell Australian Wheat..No difference just a different piece of bad government, Oh I forgot who was the leader then? Who sold our gold?, I forget. Telstra Sold, Qantas sold, Airports sold etc. etc. My Lord , we sold the family silver because we don't want to owe anyone any debt.

I also consider the growth in personal debt and rapid inflation of house prices under Howard as an indicator that he and Costello had hardly any more control over the economy than anyone else ever had. As you say, selling off assets was an easy way of raising revenues, but that was nothing like the impact on government income of introducing the GST. Of course, government has expanded and that GST windfall has been significantly consumed. What next? New taxes of course. . . wash and repeat.

I think we are hitting the wall on this cycle of socialist theft, though. Wasn't it Margaret Thatcher that said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

They've sold off all the assets, so all they can do is raise new taxes which they are doing with a vengence, but they are just tightening the noose on the throat of the Australian economy. Pretty soon they'll choke the remaining life out of it.

But I did find this aspect of Bob Carr's interview very interesting subconscious slip ...

''There's not the remotest chance of a conflict of interest,'' he told ABC radio on Monday. ''I'd be super-sensitive of making a decision that affected anyone I've been even speaking to in the private sector.

Hillarious. I bet he would be super sensitive about makin decisions that affect the interests of his fellow cronies.

Oh, well. While ever the music plays, these folks are going to dance I guess.
 
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