Transfer to more libertarian system?

bordsilver said:
hawkeye said:
dickmojo said:
Liberty is just too unpopular. The information triad of media + academia + entertainment industries are just so staunchly opposed to having people being granted their rightful liberties. Look at the furor that has stirred up today with the media regarding Campbell Newman's fantastic plan to make voting optional, not compulsory.0

I mean, what a great idea, what a step forward for liberty, yet the media and academics andthe PM and everyone has come out and slammed it!~

Anyone living in Queensland knows how much hatred Campbell Newman has already been subjected to, just for trying to implement a Libertarian policy platform. He was elected with a huge mandate for change, and so he took decisive steps to shrink the size of government, in line with Libertarian principles, yet he has been rabidly attacked by the media and academics et al as if he was a grotesque monster.

Its actually really disturbing to me to see the hatred that the influential information triad has for the concepts and principles of liberty.
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But none of this should be surprising. You are threatening these people's privileged way of life. And they do feel threatened. If it's all hopeless on our part, why would they be so worried? Wait until the "libertarian agenda" is a threat to the average Australian's way of life. Then we'll know we are getting somewhere. We are in the being ignored phase still atm.

I think more people are seeing through the charade. I mean, you can't discern anything intelligible from watching MSM. Even when there is truth it is surrounded by so much propaganda that the noise drowns out the signal.

And it's not like you need most people to change the agenda. You only need maybe up to 10% of the population out there exposing the lies and untruths and putting forward reality and truth. That's why all the people who aren't interested don't matter and there''s no need to waste energy trying to convince them. You get the people that are interested and eventually they will be enough, because the existing system is unsustainable and the more forward-thinking members of society will be exploring the options out there. That's the way the world has always worked.
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:lol: You guys make me oscillate randomly between hope and despair (not the reno's and B.A.D.'s on here, but the sensible people). In the meantime I'll keep plodding along trying to teach my family and friends the real right from wrong etc and just try to stay on message - they'll get there eventually (or not).
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The sensible people ? its times like this i wish we had webcams i just had a fair dinkum belly laugh going on & my missus come in to see why i was laughing ...Sensible people .....yeah right :lol: keep up the good work
 
renovator said:
your a highly intelligent person but have no commonsense .....an educated idiot is what i & many call people like you . . You could do lots with your life & intelligence but its wasted on computer games & posting whacked out crap on here . Do something with your life son. I'm an old man so i'l call you son or would you prefer "boy ".....ok boy it is :p: .So boy when you grow a set & they drop into position you COULD make a difference. Instead of justifying your lack of action with a long winded post that most here can see straight through.
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That was about as much of your tripe I could bother reading.

I am taking action.

Just not the sort of action YOU expect I SHOULD take to live up to your expectations and what's more, it's pissing you off completely I won't give you any insight into it.

You like to form an estimation based on nothing more than assumption, because it's in your nature to assume that if people are not doing things YOUR way, then it's IMPOSSIBLE they can be successful at all.

Your own arrogance is your weakness, in as much as your assumption that people should automatically bow to your self assumed wisdom because you measure success based on your bank balance.

I'm not impressed. To me, you're just another self absorbed representation of what your generation is. The sooner you're all dead, the sooner we can get to work actually fixing up the mess your generation left behind.

'An educated idiot?'

I'd rather be an educated idiot than a mindless sheep following the rest of the investment flock off a cliff, thinking they're so clever because they won in a rigged dice game and doing what their government tells them to do with a nod and a wink.

Whilst I'm here, you're just a plaything I rip to pieces because you're an arrogant old fool who still can't understand why the youth of today doesn't think the sun shines out of your arse because you have a lot of toys.

You're an open book. You WANT people to know about you, you WANT to show off. You're vain as much as you're arrogant because for all the bravado, you still need social acceptance and confirmation to validate your identity and your choices in life.

I piss you off because I can see straight through all the BS, which is why you dismiss me and continue to be combative. You don't want people to be critical of your character or choices, which is why you do your best to dismiss my views.

If you were honestly comfortable with your choices in life, you wouldn't give half as much a shit about defending them as you do.


You're nothing more than just a sell out to the system you know is corrupt, but didn't have the courage to stand against and fight Reno.

I see it, do you?
 
Auspm said:
renovator said:
your a highly intelligent person but have no commonsense .....an educated idiot is what i & many call people like you . . You could do lots with your life & intelligence but its wasted on computer games & posting whacked out crap on here . Do something with your life son. I'm an old man so i'l call you son or would you prefer "boy ".....ok boy it is :p: .So boy when you grow a set & they drop into position you COULD make a difference. Instead of justifying your lack of action with a long winded post that most here can see straight through.
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That was about as much of your tripe I could bother reading.

I am taking action.

Just not the sort of action YOU expect I SHOULD take to live up to your expectations and what's more, it's pissing you off completely I won't give you any insight into it.

You like to form an estimation based on nothing more than assumption, because it's in your nature to assume that if people are not doing things YOUR way, then it's IMPOSSIBLE they can be successful at all.

Your own arrogance is your weakness, in as much as your assumption that people should automatically bow to your self assumed wisdom because you measure success based on your bank balance.

I'm not impressed. To me, you're just another self absorbed representation of what your generation is. The sooner you're all dead, the sooner we can get to work actually fixing up the mess your generation left behind.

'An educated idiot?'

I'd rather be an educated idiot than a mindless sheep following the rest of the investment flock off a cliff, thinking they're so clever because they won in a rigged dice game and doing what their government tells them to do with a nod and a wink.

Whilst I'm here, you're just a plaything I rip to pieces because you're an arrogant old fool who still can't understand why the youth of today doesn't think the sun shines out of your arse because you have a lot of toys.

You're an open book. You WANT people to know about you, you WANT to show off. You're vain as much as you're arrogant because for all the bravado, you still need social acceptance and confirmation to validate your identity and your choices in life.

I piss you off because I can see straight through all the BS, which is why you dismiss me and continue to be combative. You don't want people to be critical of your character or choices, which is why you do your best to dismiss my views.

If you were honestly comfortable with your choices in life, you wouldn't give half as much a shit about defending them as you do.


You're nothing more than just a sell out to the system you know is corrupt, but didn't have the courage to stand against and fight Reno.

I see it, do you?
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Nope you dont piss me off at all . I actually feel a bit of pity & sorrow for you ..
 
renovator said:
Nope you dont piss me off at all . I actually feel a bit of pity & sorrow for you ..
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Rinchin, in case you haven't seen it before, today's Mises article discusses the Rothbard Plan for desocialization. Some snippets (mostly the section headings with some bits of the text).
Rothbard said:
HOW NOT TO DESOCIALIZE
Here then is a crucial point: you cannot plan markets. By their very nature, you can only set people free so that they can interact and exchange, and thereby develop markets themselves. Similarly, several of the socialist countries, seeing the importance of the capital markets in the West, have been trying to develop stock exchanges, but with little success. First, again, because stock markets cannot be planned, and, second, because, as we will see further, you cannot have markets in titles to capital if there are still virtually no private owners of capital in existence.

Do Not Phase In
free markets must be arrived at quickly, and that phasing them in slowly and gradually will only delay the goal indefinitely. It is well known that the giant socialist bureaucracy will only seize upon such delay to obstruct the goal altogether.

Do Not Crack Down on Black Markets
Do Not Confiscate the People's Money
Do Not Increase Taxes
Taxes are parasitic and statist; they cripple energies, savings, and production. Taxes invade and aggress against the rights of private property. The higher the taxes, the more the economy becomes socialistic; the lower they are, the closer the economy approaches true freedom and genuine privatization, which means a system of complete rights of private property. The Mazowiecki attempt to achieve privatization and free markets in Poland was greatly hampered by the imposition of far higher and progressive taxes.

Government Firms Owning Each Other is Not Privatization

HOW TO DESOCIALIZE
The following points of desocialization must necessarily be written or read sequentially, but they need not be carried out in that manner: all the following points could, and should, be instituted immediately and all at once.

Legalize the Black Market
Drastically Lower All Taxes
Abolish the Government's Ability to Create Money
There can be no genuine free market or desocialization so long as government is permitted tocounterfeit money, that is create new money, whether it be paper tickets or bank deposits, out of thin air.

Fire the Bureaucracy
The socialist economy is a command economy, staffed and run by a gigantic bureaucracy. That bureaucracy would immediately be fired, its members set free at long last to find productive jobs, and develop whatever productive abilities they might have, in the now rapidly expanding and flourishing private sector.

Privatize or Abolish Government Operations
This brings us to the final, but scarcely the least important, plank of our proposed desocialization platform: privatizing government operations. Since theoretically all, or in practice most, production in socialist countries has been in the hands of the State, the most important desideratum, the crucial route for attaining a system of private property and free market, must be to privatize government operations.

But simply to say "privatize" is not enough. In the first place, there are many government operations, especially in socialist states, that we don't want to privatize, but rather to abolish completely. For example, we would not, as libertarians and desocializers, wish to privatize concentration camps, or the Gulag, or the KGB. God forbid that we should ever have anefficient supply of concentration-camp or secret police "services"!
"We would not, as libertarians and desocializers, wish to privatize concentration camps, or the Gulag, or the KGB."

This means that desocialization must involve the abolition, not the privatization, of such operations ...

Principles of Privatization
<A good, but lengthy, read of various ways of privatising>
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Edit: Link fixed.
 
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