TPP is Back

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-...p-and-what-does-it-mean-for-australia/9357020

The latest version of the deal is called the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

The 11 countries are set to actually sign it in Chile, in March.

So what will change?
The 11 nations have agreed on new trade rules to make it easier and cheaper to export and invest.

The aim is to cut tariffs and have common laws and regulations.

But there are also a few side deals. For example, Canada has a range of separate deals in addition to the main agreement.

What do you get out of it?
The impact on Australian consumers is not likely to be significant. So don't expect to see a sudden drop in prices at the supermarket or department store.

But the Government says more trade and exports = more jobs.

It has been determined to keep trying to strike this deal, despite the setbacks, because it argues there will be economic benefits.

But working out how much economic growth can be attributed to a free trade deal is complicated and always challenged.

Federal Labor is demanding the Government prove this deal stacks up by showing the economic modelling for this new agreement.

But it's pretty good news for the farmers
The big benefit appears to be for farmers. It should help Australia sell more beef, sugar, rice, dairy and wheat. It should also be easier to export wine and seafood.

Australian farmers will still have to compete against other nations who are also hoping to capitalise on the more open trade.

John Droppert, a senior analyst with Dairy Australia, says the elimination of tariffs on cheese products into Japan will be a big highlight.

"We put about 80,000 tonnes of cheese into Japan every year," he said.

Japan's also a big buyer of Australian wheat, for making udon noodles.

Tony Russell, executive manager of the Grains Industry Market Access Forum, thinks US farmers will be fuming that Australians and Canadians now have an edge over them in the Japanese market.

"I suspect the whole trade agenda from President Trump and the protectionist trade agenda of President Trump would be of great concern to the American grain grower," Mr Russell said.

Most of Australia's resources and energy exports to the other 10 countries are already duty free, but there will be some gradual changes.

Vietnam will get rid of its tariffs on liquified natural gas over seven years.

How long will it take?
Some of the changes will take up to a decade to happen.

For example, Peru will drop the duty it applies to paper imports over 10 years and Mexico will also take a decade to drop the tariffs on pharmaceutical products, machinery and car parts.

It's up to each country to implement the changes, so there's no formal start date for the deal to be introduced.

It is likely a bill will be introduced to Australia's Parliament within months.

Is it worth less without the United States?
Yes. Unless you're a farmer.

The deal would have covered about 40 per cent of the global economy and a quarter of world trade if the US stayed in.

The Australian Industry Group says it would have naturally been stronger with the participation of the US.

But Dairy Australia says the absence of the US from the deal is a positive for the Australian dairy industry.

"The US has in past years … been a real cost competitor into Japan. They tend to compete on price, so of course the more tariffs and barriers they face, the more difficult it is for them to do that. It's only a good thing for us that the US has excluded themselves from that agreement," Mr Droppert said.

Malcolm Turnbull said it would be possible for the US to return to the trade group in future.

Innes Willox has warned Australia needs to watch the moves the US is making, instead saying it is making bilateral trade deals that can undercut Australian access to big markets.

What are the concerns?
The big criticism of the trade deal is that it takes power away from individual governments.

The major controversy is about the investor-statement-dispute-settlement mechanism, which is generally known as the ISDS. It means companies could sue the Australian Government to argue they were being denied access to the Australian market.

Critics argue that means governments can't make policy without fear of facing a lengthy and costly legal case. The most famous case of this happening is when tobacco company Philip Morris sued the Australian Government for introducing plain packaging of cigarettes.

This trade deal still includes that mechanism but it has been watered down.

Trade Minister Steve Ciobo has dismissed the ISDS concerns as an absurd scare campaign and insisted governments could still make their own regulations.
 
Jeffrey Tucker said:
The remaining nations forged ahead and reached a new agreement on November 11. The US finds itself excluded, which could cause real problems for American exporters to countries like Malaysia, Japan, Australia, and Peru. Canada’s lobster industry, for example, will soon have better accessto the foreign marketplace than the U.S.’s, which could cause serious problems for an entire industry.

But here is what is most striking. The new draft of the agreement excludes the entire section on Intellectual Property – the most annoying and anti-freedom part of the deal that had huge prominence in all the treaty drafts.

As it turns out, it was the US influence that explained why this treaty included the section to begin with. The section seriously compromised the entire agreement, as Stephan Kinsella explains. It turned what was supposed to be about free trade into a tool for intensifying the hegemonic control of the US pharmaceutical, movie, and publishing industries, expanding patent enforcement, copyright terms, and making much-needed reform that more difficult.

In other words, in this area of policy, precisely due to US participation, the treaty would have enhanced state power, not reduced it, as a free trade treaty should.


https://fee.org/articles/this-trade-treaty-got-better-when-the-us-bailed/
 
Trump might change his mind on the TPP when former Golden Sach man Turnbull explains about the ISDS. Canada know full well how the ISDS court system works. USA Corporations 93 wins VS Canada 0 in the NAFTA deal.

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Trump might change his mind on the TPP when former Golden Sach man Turnbull explains about the ISDS. Canada know full well how the ISDS court system works. USA Corporations 93 wins VS Canada 0 in the NAFTA deal.

Errol 1943 a new member? What a joke! Has the gold pelican turned into a forgetful moderator? Fix it up mate and maybe, I will again contribute to a site that I once thought was the best on the internet.. Know quite a few people here in Bundaberg who no longer can be bothered with Silver stackers the way it is set up these days...Looks like I will join Auspm as a troblemaker. Bye Bye!

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Trump might change his mind on the TPP when former Golden Sach man Turnbull explains about the ISDS. Canada know full well how the ISDS court system works. USA Corporations 93 wins VS Canada 0 in the NAFTA deal.

Errol 1943 a new member? What a joke! Has the gold pelican turned into a forgetful moderator? Fix it up mate and maybe, I will again contribute to a site that I once thought was the best on the internet.. Know quite a few people here in Bundaberg who no longer can be bothered with Silver stackers the way it is set up these days...Looks like I will join Auspm as a troblemaker. Bye Bye!

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That video from the Grassy Knoll must be a real knee trembler. Better than a Stormy Daniels film.

President Trump on Thursday instructed top administration officials to explore re-entering the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) — a trade pact he pulled the U.S. out of last year while calling it a “disaster.”

Speaking after a trade meeting with Trump, Republican senators said the president told White House National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to look into joining the deal, which 11 other Pacific Rim nations signed in March.

“The president multiple times reaffirmed in general to all of us and looked right at Larry Kudlow and said, ‘Larry, go get it done,' " Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), a vocal proponent of free trade, told reporters at the White House.

Sasse cautioned that Trump “is a guy who likes to blue-sky a lot and entertain a lot of different ideas,” suggesting the president could eventually change his mind.

White House spokeswoman Lindsay Walters said the president would only re-enter TPP if the deal was made "substantially" better.

"He has asked Amb. Lighthizer and Director Kudlow to take another look at whether or not a better deal could be negotiated,” she said in a statement.

If the U.S. were to re-enter the TPP, it would be a remarkable about-face for Trump, who repeatedly blasted the trade pact during his 2016 presidential campaign.

During the 2016 race, Trump called the TPP a “disaster” that is backed by “special interests who want to rape our country.”

His decision to pull out of the agreement, one of his first moves as president, was blasted by Republicans who said it put the U.S. at a disadvantage to China on the global stage.

In late February, 25 Senate Republicans wrote a letter to Trump calling on him to rejoin the agreement, arguing it would broadly boost the U.S. economy.

Trump told lawmakers he now believes the TPP “might be easier for us to join now” because the 11 other nations are close to finalizing a deal without the United States, according to the Nebraska senator.

In early March, the 11 other nations signed the renamed Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership in Chile after spending the better part of the last year reworking the deal.

Trump's instructions come at a time when he is engaged in a roiling trade dispute with China and is pushing to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico, who are also parties to the TPP.

Before former President Obama left office, advocates for the sweeping Pacific Rim deal argued that the agreement was important for the United States because it would anchor the nation in the rapidly growing Pacific region while providing a buffer against China.

Trump, earlier this year, opened the door to re-entering the trade deal if the terms were more favorable for the United States.

“I would do TPP if we were able to make a substantially better deal,” Trump told CNBC during an interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...cials-to-look-into-re-entering-tpp-trade-pact
 
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