Toning of coins/medals. Is that more valuable or less valuable?

mmissinglink said:
In terms of tarnish going from a light colorful pleasant looking color to a darkened color, the important question isn't so much that the coin has pleasant light colorful tarnish now but how quickly can it go from that to a dark tarnish.

That's why I suggested an experiment in a controlled atmosphere.

I'm not necessarily suggesting Gatito use his 1881 Morgan and his 1913 Wilhelm II Kaiser coin, but heck, why not....at least then we might finally have a definitive answer. ;)

And besides, when those coins do get blackened in a few weeks, I could show you how to properly dip them clean so that you can get it ready for the next round of colorful surface corrosion...oh, I mean tarnish....ooops, I meant "toning". :lol: Second time time around is a charm they say. :P

We've already had this discussion here a long time ago.

But I'll mention it again..


You do acknowledge the fact that dipping a coin is an additional & even worse form of surface corrosion, than had you simply left the toned coin alone, correct?

Just want to make sure. Yes or no will suffice.. ;)
 
mtforpar said:
Another toning pattern I have grown quite fond of is the PCI slabbed Eagles. I don't put any weight on the grade but I do like the toning pattern their holders create. Here is one I picked up recently.

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Remember this one? :D

Would you say another from a former PCI slab?


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mtforpar said:
Yes, That is very likely PCI toning. Terrific looking coin. Give it back...lol.

Thanks for the info.


Fantastic coin, indeedy..

And the price of this type has since appreciated considerably! :D


But special price for you.. Only 50% more than what I paid.. ;)
 
Gatito Bandito said:
mmissinglink said:
In terms of tarnish going from a light colorful pleasant looking color to a darkened color, the important question isn't so much that the coin has pleasant light colorful tarnish now but how quickly can it go from that to a dark tarnish.

That's why I suggested an experiment in a controlled atmosphere.

I'm not necessarily suggesting Gatito use his 1881 Morgan and his 1913 Wilhelm II Kaiser coin, but heck, why not....at least then we might finally have a definitive answer. ;)

And besides, when those coins do get blackened in a few weeks, I could show you how to properly dip them clean so that you can get it ready for the next round of colorful surface corrosion...oh, I mean tarnish....ooops, I meant "toning". :lol: Second time time around is a charm they say. :P

We've already had this discussion here a long time ago.

But I'll mention it again..


You do acknowledge the fact that dipping a coin is an additional & even worse form of surface corrosion, than had you simply left the toned coin alone, correct?

Just want to make sure. Yes or no will suffice.. ;)


Yes.



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I think we've made a bit of a breakthrough here today.

We're out of time, but we'll explore this some more next week.


Please see the receptionist on the way out.. ;)
 
To answer Andrew's original question, now that we've seen some examples of what could be perceived as nicely-toned specimens to certain collectors..


Yes, I've personally paid more $$ for great toning that caught my eye, all else being equal.

In at least 3 out of the 5 that I shared here, I know for a fact that the realized price was inflated due to the toning, when compared to a non-toned or not-so-great-toned one. And I happily paid up -- before somebody else would have.


Obviously a variety of other factors come into play (original mintage, approx surviving mintage, overall demand & availability, grade, condition, personal budget & desire, etc. -- and even certain wear patterns for the circulated ones), which need to be calculated into the equation.

But nice toning, to me, is oftentimes essential. I usually skip over the clean ones (obviously dipped, or otherwise, as in a center-of-the-bag Morgan).

And I definitely skip over the dark/gross/ugly ones, some of which are probably a good candidate for a method of tarnish-removal that wouldn't result in the coin getting a Details grade. Yes, mmissing.. in some cases it's difficult to argue *against* trying to remove at least some of the offensive toning if done in an appropriate way & if the person knows what they're doing. However, keep in mind that once done successfully, you might potentially be in for an unpleasant surprise of what's been hidden underneath, as well -- and there's no turning back at that point.



Anyway..

Yes, the nicely-toned ones are special & unique snowflakes, no two ever exactly alike. :P

And they're fantastic to admire. Usually even nicer in-hand, which can't be fully captured in photos/videos.


However, there's also the added bonus, if slabbed & the image was recorded by the TPG, of the toning as a *security feature*.

Is a counterfeiter honestly going to try to replicate down to the minute details of the exact toning of this specific piece? Good luck with that. :lol:

Instead, I believe their time & money is better spent elsewhere. (And yes, there are some who try to doctor fakes to make them look toned/worn, and usually do a horrible job -- but that's also where the TPG's large high-res images come in handy for a potential buyer/seller.)



So, awesome to look at? Holds its premium & desirability? Plus potentially a great security feature?

Yeah, I'd say any extra $$ (reasonably speaking) is worth it -- at least for relatively older coins (say, 10+ years)...
 
I agree with mmissinglink, if I have to choose between "clean" and toned coin or medal I would select first any day. Over years my opinion maybe changed a little bit as some toned PM looks quite nice and as somebody said it gives some uniqueness to the medal or coin.

Long live clean coins (Earth)!:P
 
Gatito Bandito said:
To answer Andrew's original question, now that we've seen some examples of what could be perceived as nicely-toned specimens to certain collectors..


Yes, I've personally paid more $$ for great toning that caught my eye, all else being equal.

In at least 3 out of the 5 that I shared here, I know for a fact that the realized price was inflated due to the toning, when compared to a non-toned or not-so-great-toned one. And I happily paid up -- before somebody else would have.


Obviously a variety of other factors come into play (original mintage, approx surviving mintage, overall demand & availability, grade, condition, personal budget & desire, etc. -- and even certain wear patterns for the circulated ones), which need to be calculated into the equation.

But nice toning, to me, is oftentimes essential. I usually skip over the clean ones (obviously dipped, or otherwise, as in a center-of-the-bag Morgan).

And I definitely skip over the dark/gross/ugly ones, some of which are probably a good candidate for a method of tarnish-removal that wouldn't result in the coin getting a Details grade. Yes, mmissing.. in some cases it's difficult to argue *against* trying to remove at least some of the offensive toning if done in an appropriate way & if the person knows what they're doing. However, keep in mind that once done successfully, you might potentially be in for an unpleasant surprise of what's been hidden underneath, as well -- and there's no turning back at that point.



Anyway..

Yes, the nicely-toned ones are special & unique snowflakes, no two ever exactly alike. :P

And they're fantastic to admire. Usually even nicer in-hand, which can't be fully captured in photos/videos.


However, there's also the added bonus, if slabbed & the image was recorded by the TPG, of the toning as a *security feature*.

Is a counterfeiter honestly going to try to replicate down to the minute details of the exact toning of this specific piece? Good luck with that. :lol:

Instead, I believe their time & money is better spent elsewhere. (And yes, there are some who try to doctor fakes to make them look toned/worn, and usually do a horrible job -- but that's also where the TPG's large high-res images come in handy for a potential buyer/seller.)



So, awesome to look at? Holds its premium & desirability? Plus potentially a great security feature?

Yeah, I'd say any extra $$ (reasonably speaking) is worth it -- at least for relatively older coins (say, 10+ years)...


Well say, I start to love some nice natural toning coins. However, I need to study it more and learn more of it before buying the expansive item. I bought my 27 gram and 1 oz silver panda from year 1983 till current with NGC 69 or above within 1/2 years to fulfil my eager to get things done. I pay a bit higher premium than other to get it in short period. I learn the experiences and try not to repeat again.
 
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