Thoughts on Germany's "Fed gold"...

TreasureHunter

TreasureHunter

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We're entering 2015 slowly and the "return" of Germany's Fed-held gold is still "in process". It should be finalized by 2020. According to plans.

I think the news of the Fed "not quite knowing" where 674 tonnes of gold bullion, appeared sometime in 2012. Media picked it up even more in 2013.

2014 is slowly ending and we're entering 2015. Roughly 5 years left until Germany receives it. By 2020, they should have the 674 tonnes.

Everyone can let their imagination wild and think about what they did with Germany's gold. But far more interesting to me is: what they are going to do and how that would influence the market


Several thoughts cross my mind with regards to this German gold issue:

...what are they (Fed) doing right now? (Yes, at this very moment... playing poker, tetris,... or, are they looking for the "gold bricks" somewhere in the basement like "where did we put those 674 tonnes?")

...if they are going to buy the gold back, then they need fiat to do so and they'd have to take that money out from somewhere: where? :rolleyes: ...they could buy the gold with bonds.

...if they are going to buy it back, then it would make sense to "wait" for cheaper gold or manipulate prices down to buy all that gold up

...if the Fed starts buying that much gold, they will contribute to hurting the dollar - and who know how many other punches the greenback will have received by 2020?

...if Germany gets their 674 tonnes back in a single year, then that would be more than a quarter of the World's gold production :rolleyes:

...they had Venezuela's gold, but not Germany's :P

...Germany is too quiet and it seems they were satisfied with the mere promise of "we'll give it back to you by 2020" - after not even allowing the Germans to review their gold, the Fed must have given them more than "just a promise"

...why not compensate Germany with the equal value in USD, so that Germany can buy itself the (physical) gold back? :lol:

...this is also debt and should be counted in as US debt :P
 
I have often wondered as to whether blondes have more fun. I believe that they do, and I have more faith in that assumption over whether the German gold is still in the US vault.
 
I thought Germany had given up on getting it back now.

Apparently, it's fine to leave it in New York...
 
- Will the Yanks really give the Germans their gold ? After the WWII ?

- Does the Yanks really have all the gold they claim ?


Trade Wars, Currency Wars and now a likely Gold Wars......
 
trader10 said:
- Will the Yanks really give the Germans their gold ? After the WWII ?

- Does the Yanks really have all the gold they claim ?
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What on earth has WW11 got to do with anything the war ended nearly 70 years ago, the whole of Europe is an ally of the US though I don't know why, Obama continually whines he doesn't like the British because of the way they treated his grandfather FFS. Then the Obama gets his poodles in Europe to stir things up with Russia, damaging Europe but not the US.

No the Yanks do not have the gold they claim, if they do prove it.
 
motorbikez said:
trader10 said:
- Will the Yanks really give the Germans their gold ? After the WWII ?

- Does the Yanks really have all the gold they claim ?
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What on earth has WW11 got to do with anything the war ended nearly 70 years ago, the whole of Europe is an ally of the US though I don't know why, Obama continually whines he doesn't like the British because of the way they treated his grandfather FFS. Then the Obama gets his poodles in Europe to stir things up with Russia, damaging Europe but not the US.

No the Yanks do not have the gold they claim, if they do prove it.
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A lots to do wtih.... History, Wealth Transfer, New Empire, WAR.....
 
trader10 said:
motorbikez said:
trader10 said:
- Will the Yanks really give the Germans their gold ? After the WWII ?

- Does the Yanks really have all the gold they claim ?
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What on earth has WW11 got to do with anything the war ended nearly 70 years ago, the whole of Europe is an ally of the US though I don't know why, Obama continually whines he doesn't like the British because of the way they treated his grandfather FFS. Then the Obama gets his poodles in Europe to stir things up with Russia, damaging Europe but not the US.

No the Yanks do not have the gold they claim, if they do prove it.
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A lots to do wtih.... History, Wealth Transfer, New Empire, WAR.....
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Yes you are possibly correct, I really meant that tongue in cheek because you brought the subject up. I'm not really a fan of the Italians because of the way Hadrian treated my ancestors in AD 120-30 but I got over it :lol:
 
EHRMEHRGERD some shocking news from the original architect of Germany's gold repatriation;

Today the original architect of Germany's gold repatriation movement stunned King World News with the truth about what is really happening with the effort to get Germany's gold back onto German soil. What he had to say will surprise readers around the world.


Eric King: "Peter, you were one of the primary architects of this movement in Germany to repatriate Germany's gold."

Boehringer: "Yes, that's correct. I'm the main initiator, but I did it together with the European Taxpayers Association (E.T.A.) President, Baron von Hohenhau. The E.T.A. has over 100,000 members in Europe. My German precious metals association has quite a few members as well, and we teamed up together in 2011 and started the German repatriation campaign.

It has been a long time since the German gold has been on German soil. By 1990, after the fall of the Soviet Union, some people in Germany began to complain about foreign countries holding German gold and these people began to ask, 'Why is our gold not on German soil? Why does our gold have to be in London, Paris, and especially New York (at the Federal Reserve)?'

But it was difficult because the German Bundesbank didn't release any information or requests for information for many, many years. But the movement in Germany to repatriate the gold gained momentum and more people, including members of the German Parliament, began to ask, 'Why can't we have our gold in Germany?' They began to question the Bundesbank themselves and the movement gained even more momentum....

"But at the time the Bundesbank remained pretty arrogant and refused to disclose anything. When our movement began to form in 2011, we sent the Bundesbank a communication and we were able to obtain a little more information because the European Taxpayers Association couldn't be completely ignored. However, no one was satisfied with the Bundesbank reply.

Then we started the public campaign and all of a sudden things began to change with regards to the Bundesbank because they were now under public pressure. So it was in 2012 that we began to get a little more information about where our gold was allegedly located. We were concerned when we found out that the U.S. Fed was supposedly holding close to 1,500 tonnes of our gold in New York. We also learned there were 350 tonnes in Paris and some 700 tonnes located in London.

We also found out that after the complaints began to surface in 1990, some 1,000 tonnes of gold had supposedly been repatriated from London by 2001 and 2002. Nobody knew anything about this until our movement forced this information to be released publicly. The problem is that nobody can prove this because the Bundesbank refuses to release any detailed list of the bars along with serial numbers. This is something that we are complaining about.
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Read the rest at KWN :)
 
House said:
EHRMEHRGERD some shocking news from the original architect of Germany's gold repatriation;

Today the original architect of Germany's gold repatriation movement stunned King World News with the truth about what is really happening with the effort to get Germany's gold back onto German soil. What he had to say will surprise readers around the world.


Eric King: "Peter, you were one of the primary architects of this movement in Germany to repatriate Germany's gold."

Boehringer: "Yes, that's correct. I'm the main initiator, but I did it together with the European Taxpayers Association (E.T.A.) President, Baron von Hohenhau. The E.T.A. has over 100,000 members in Europe. My German precious metals association has quite a few members as well, and we teamed up together in 2011 and started the German repatriation campaign.

It has been a long time since the German gold has been on German soil. By 1990, after the fall of the Soviet Union, some people in Germany began to complain about foreign countries holding German gold and these people began to ask, 'Why is our gold not on German soil? Why does our gold have to be in London, Paris, and especially New York (at the Federal Reserve)?'

But it was difficult because the German Bundesbank didn't release any information or requests for information for many, many years. But the movement in Germany to repatriate the gold gained momentum and more people, including members of the German Parliament, began to ask, 'Why can't we have our gold in Germany?' They began to question the Bundesbank themselves and the movement gained even more momentum....

"But at the time the Bundesbank remained pretty arrogant and refused to disclose anything. When our movement began to form in 2011, we sent the Bundesbank a communication and we were able to obtain a little more information because the European Taxpayers Association couldn't be completely ignored. However, no one was satisfied with the Bundesbank reply.

Then we started the public campaign and all of a sudden things began to change with regards to the Bundesbank because they were now under public pressure. So it was in 2012 that we began to get a little more information about where our gold was allegedly located. We were concerned when we found out that the U.S. Fed was supposedly holding close to 1,500 tonnes of our gold in New York. We also learned there were 350 tonnes in Paris and some 700 tonnes located in London.

We also found out that after the complaints began to surface in 1990, some 1,000 tonnes of gold had supposedly been repatriated from London by 2001 and 2002. Nobody knew anything about this until our movement forced this information to be released publicly. The problem is that nobody can prove this because the Bundesbank refuses to release any detailed list of the bars along with serial numbers. This is something that we are complaining about.
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Read the rest at KWN :)
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Alarming:

..."Some 37 tonnes were brought back to Germany in 2013. We expect a little more gold to be repatriated back to Germany in 2014 and the numbers will be released at the end of the year. So something is happening here, even though we are not satisfied.

Even the 5 tonnes that have been repatriated back to Germany from the Fed had to be recast. Why in the world would our original serial-numbered gold bars deposited into the Fed for safekeeping have to be melted down and recast into new bars? "...

This is Wealth Transfer from back in history.... one war after the other, one stealing from another.... now, we are living at a extremely interesting times.... where GOLD WARS are here...
 
Bullion Baron said:
I love the label they gave him "primary architect", I'm putting that title on my resume for helping to spread the word about Australia's repatriation petition.
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Everybody praises Costello for his ability to keep smoke screens over the economy and between public and corporations......

That same idiot, sold our gold reserves in 1997 for $350... LMAO ! FOOL ! Costello and Brown(Gordon Brown) both sold gold reserves(Australia/England) at the same time for $350 a ounce....

This history always bugs me.... it has to be something behind it... someone obviously got the better deal and knew they would....WEALTH TRANSFER at it's best....
 
trader10 said:
Bullion Baron said:
I love the label they gave him "primary architect", I'm putting that title on my resume for helping to spread the word about Australia's repatriation petition.
Click to expand...

Everybody praises Costello for his ability to keep smoke screens over the economy and between public and corporations......

That same idiot, sold our gold reserves in 1997 for $350... LMAO ! FOOL ! Costello and Brown(Gordon Brown) both sold gold reserves(Australia/England) at the same time for $350 a ounce....

This history always bugs me.... it has to be something behind it... someone obviously got the better deal and knew they would....WEALTH TRANSFER at it's best....
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Here's why:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/financ...own-sold-britains-gold-at-a-knock-down-price/
 
The Fed has the Gold to give back to Germany but it's currently stored in Iran, I'm sure the US of A will come up with a plan to retrieve it before 2020
 
Grubar30 said:
trader10 said:
Bullion Baron said:
I love the label they gave him "primary architect", I'm putting that title on my resume for helping to spread the word about Australia's repatriation petition.
Click to expand...

Everybody praises Costello for his ability to keep smoke screens over the economy and between public and corporations......

That same idiot, sold our gold reserves in 1997 for $350... LMAO ! FOOL ! Costello and Brown(Gordon Brown) both sold gold reserves(Australia/England) at the same time for $350 a ounce....

This history always bugs me.... it has to be something behind it... someone obviously got the better deal and knew they would....WEALTH TRANSFER at it's best....
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Here's why:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/financ...own-sold-britains-gold-at-a-knock-down-price/
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Thanks for that link. I could never understand, not being a financier, why he sold the gold at the bottom. I could tell it was deliberate, because he acted in a way as to ensure he got the lowest price possible. I never understood why though.

A simpler way would have been to just write off the debts of loaned gold though, wouldn't it? Although I guess that would have been more obvious...
 
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