The Fukushima Reality....

LOVE the words like "could" and "may" and "up to" and "as much as" to generate fear and loathing in the population.

Yes, it will be difficult, but the japanese are not stupid or careless in this situation, they know the consequences.

I really doubt we will see millions dead or somesuch.

JMO



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Heard an interview on the radio with one of the Fukushima cleanup guys. He had to speak anonymously or he would lose his job.

He gets paid around $10US to work in the reactor cleaning up the waste. He lies to his family about where he works or they would be horrified. Large portions of the sirlte have not been approached at all he said..much less cleaned up. Nothing has happened. He said radioactive water continues to spill unabated and there are only lonterm plans for halting it.

The situation doesn't sound like its under control. Sounds like how you'd expect some third world country to run the cleanup.
 
If its not a fear campaigne by green activist and if what they are saying is even 1/10th true.......then I agree ....Japan needs global assistance.

One option in relation to evacuatings millions, is that China may become Japans best freind.......China still have ghost cities, that could possibly house a few Japanese visitors, until this matter is resolved.
Not to sure how it would work economically ( hence another reason for global assistance) , but atleast lives would be saved.

Either way, I will check with a work colleage who has family in Japan.....to see what news if any they are being fed ( I would say no news ..... to prevent panic )
 
Rule #1 with these Green/scare reports is to include "Millions Dead" in the headline. Gets the attention every time.

The Rule #2 is "Worst in the World", or Worst in History". All good to get the blood flowing.

YAWN!



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We have three 100-ton melted fuel blobs underground, but where exactly they are located, no one knows. :(

And a newly stated concern is the proximity of melted fuel in relation to the Tokyo aquifer that extends under the plant. If and when the corium reaches the Tokyo aquifer, serious and expedient discussions will have to take place about evacuating 40 million people from the greater metropolitan area. As impossible as this sounds, you cannot live in an area which does not have access to safe water. :(



Crikey!

Just read the full article...that's really bad news. :( :( :(

Any volunteers for the clean-up? :|
 
:lol: "millions of people will probably die even if things stay exactly as they are"

Morons that have no understanding of the real risks and spout utter rubbish. Given the plethora of false RT scare-mongering articles that people have posted over the past few weeks, their credibility for me is precisely zero.
 
QLDSILVER said:
Hey Bordsilver zerohedge running the article and have added their say

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-17/radioactive-water-leaking-fukushima-what-we-know



Id say Tyler Durden does his homework....
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Oh my god! A researched report from Tyler Durden on ZH. Who would have thunk it? Must have a guest writer in or something. ;)

Compared to the overblown RT report that is actually quite legit and much more reliable.


Edit: Just realised that the article is actually a copy of one published in Scientific American (which they linked to). No wonder it didn't sound like Tyler :P
 
"We have three 100-ton melted fuel blobs underground, but where exactly they are located, no one knows."


China?
 
Actually three random factoids about the Japanese earthquake:

1. The Antarctic ice stream sped up
Thousands of miles and a world away from Japan, the seismic waves of the Tohoku earthquake appeared to temporarily speed up the flow of the Whillans glacier. Glaciers are essentially rivers of ice that slowly flow, in the case of Antarctica, from the interior of the continent out to sea.

The faster pace of the Whillans glacier was detected by GPS stations located on the ice. Normally, the glacier slides only about 3 feet (1 meter) per day, but in a strong slip event, such as the one triggered by the earthquake, it can rapidly move about 1.5 feet (0.5 m).

2. Antarctic iceberg broken
The massive March 11 Japan earthquake and its ensuing tsunami were so powerful that they broke off huge icebergs thousands of miles away in Antarctica, according to a new study.

The calving of icebergs (where a huge chunk of ice breaks off from a glacier or ice shelf) from the Sulzberger Ice Shelf in Antarctica was linked to the tsunami, which originated with the magnitude 9.0 earthquake off the coast of the Japanese island of Honshu, by satellite observations of the Antarctic coast immediately after the earthquake.

Icebergs have been reported to calve following earthquakes before, including after the magnitude 6.3 earthquake that struck Christchurch, New Zealand, on Feb 22. But the new finding marks the first direct observation of such a connection between tsunamis and iceberg calving.

3. Shortened the day by 1.8 milliseconds
 
Old Codger said:
My BS Detector just went off,
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If you mean in relation to my previous post, the links are there. Measurable scientific impacts (supported by theory) on the large forces involved as opposed to hand-wavey "billions will die" nonsense.
 
"The faster pace of the Whillans glacier was detected by GPS stations located on the ice. Normally, the glacier slides only about 3 feet (1 meter) per day, but in a strong slip event, such as the one triggered by the earthquake, it can rapidly move about 1.5 feet (0.5 m)."


This is a contradiction. It is saying that the rate of flow is SLOWING!
 
Old Codger said:
"The faster pace of the Whillans glacier was detected by GPS stations located on the ice. Normally, the glacier slides only about 3 feet (1 meter) per day, but in a strong slip event, such as the one triggered by the earthquake, it can rapidly move about 1.5 feet (0.5 m)."


This is a contradiction. It is saying that the rate of flow is SLOWING!
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Two different time periods. The glacier moves constantly and in total over a day slides about 1 meter (i.e. averages 0.042m/hour). The earthquake triggered a rapid movement separately to normal movements (including the normal diurnal fast slip events) at the same time as the seismic waves hit Antarctica.
 
Old Codger said:
Maybe I am missing something, but to me that is not what they said.
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Quoting the linked New Scientist article:

New Scientist said:
The Whillans ice stream drains ice from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet into the Ross Ice Shelf. Since 2007, Walter and colleagues have been using GPS field stations on the ice sheet to monitor its movements. They have shown that the ice stream speeds up twice a day in slip events which last about 30 minutes.

The glacier normally creeps along at an average speed of about 1 metre per day. But during a slip event, it slides almost half a metre in one go. The sudden slips are related to the tides, and are strong enough to generate seismic waves that are recorded by stations at the South Pole and the Antarctic Dry Valleys (Journal of Geophysical Research, DOI: 10.1029/2010JF001754).

Slipping glacier

Now it looks like the magnitude 9.0 earthquake that shook Japan last Friday caused the glacier to slip in a similar way.

When Walter and his colleagues were analysing GPS data from the ice stream on Monday, they noticed that one slip event had happened earlier than expected. Further analysis revealed that it happened exactly when surface seismic waves generated by the Japanese earthquake would have hit Antarctica.
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