The anti-capitalistic mentality

[mmm....shiney!]

Apart from the environmental impact, how much do these companies pay in tax? SFA ....

So what? What is taxing them more going to do for the environment?

It could go to clean up their act but why should they when the ignorant public is willing to pick up the tab ....

So what do you do as a consumer to encourage businesses to invest in more environmentally sustainable work practices?

 

[systematic]

So what? What is taxing them more going to do for the environment?

It could go to clean up their act but why should they when the ignorant public is willing to pick up the tab ....

So what do you do as a consumer to encourage businesses to invest in more environmentally sustainable work practices?

I would encourage consumers to reduce their debt levels, stop spending so frivolously, reduce reuse recycle and demand these globalists/bankers go to jail for the fraud they perpetuate instead of getting fined the equivalent of a parking ticket ....

 

[bordsilver]

It could go to clean up their act but why should they when the ignorant public is willing to pick up the tab ....

So what do you do as a consumer to encourage businesses to invest in more environmentally sustainable work practices?

I would encourage consumers to reduce their debt levels, stop spending so frivolously, reduce reuse recycle and demand these globalists/bankers go to jail for the fraud they perpetuate instead of getting fined the equivalent of a parking ticket ....

That's great and I'd basically agree. I don't see the relevance for this thread however.

 

[systematic]

So what do you do as a consumer to encourage businesses to invest in more environmentally sustainable work practices?

I would encourage consumers to reduce their debt levels, stop spending so frivolously, reduce reuse recycle and demand these globalists/bankers go to jail for the fraud they perpetuate instead of getting fined the equivalent of a parking ticket ....

That's great and I'd basically agree. I don't see the relevance for this thread however.

Is it not anti capitalist?

 

[bordsilver]

I would encourage consumers to reduce their debt levels, stop spending so frivolously, reduce reuse recycle and demand these globalists/bankers go to jail for the fraud they perpetuate instead of getting fined the equivalent of a parking ticket ....

That's great and I'd basically agree. I don't see the relevance for this thread however.

Is it not anti capitalist?

No. It's a mixture of personal ethics and effective justice.

 

[systematic]

That's great and I'd basically agree. I don't see the relevance for this thread however.

Is it not anti capitalist?

No. It's a mixture of personal ethics and effective justice.

Gotta start somewhere .... capitalist theory is just a distraction ... the reality however is different ...

 

[bordsilver]

...Unless you are proposing coercive solutions that take away people's right to own and trade property. (which I don't think you are doing.)

 

[systematic]

...Unless you are proposing coercive solutions that take away people's right to own and trade property. (which I don't think you are doing.)

That is not my intention .... it is to share information and perspectives ...

 

[smk762]

So you are saying that there should be some authority that makes decisions about purchases on our behalf? :/

No. I'm saying people are stupid, easily led, and will inevitably, unknowingly, delegate their power to whoever whispers in their ear often enough.

So what? You have a choice as a consumer, make your own decisions or let others make it for you.

So this. A few make choices consciously, and try to be as informed as possible. Some just want, aren't sure why they want, but they know what, thanks to subconscious programming. The consumer may have "the power", but only superficially.
I'm not supporting the current system, just saying that the alternative proposed, though perfect in theory, will not be so in practice.

Potentially though, as wages for idiots decrease to the point of basic subsistence, their collective delegated power will be reduced enough for conscious consumers relative power to be meaningful enough for the proposed system to work.

This leads to a whole new set of issues though, where the stupid will lack the resources to lift their intelligence, and inevitably resort to violence. Could work out though, we do need to depopulate a bit.

 

[bordsilver]

...Unless you are proposing coercive solutions that take away people's right to own and trade property. (which I don't think you are doing.)

That is not my intention .... it is to share information and perspectives ...

Information is how we all learn

 

[Golightly]

Yep, 'they' are all turtles

 

[Shaddam IV]

Back on the topic of "The anti-capitalistic mentality" I just had a conversation with a talented graphic designer who often does work for us, She was brought up in a (then) communist country in Eastern Europe and when we brought up the topic of people who are anti-capitalist she just laughed and said that clearly they haven't tried living under most communist systems.

 

[mmm....shiney!]

I would encourage consumers to reduce their debt levels, stop spending so frivolously, reduce reuse recycle and demand these globalists/bankers go to jail for the fraud they perpetuate instead of getting fined the equivalent of a parking ticket ....

In other words you acknowledge that the power rests with the consumer.

 

[systematic]

I would encourage consumers to reduce their debt levels, stop spending so frivolously, reduce reuse recycle and demand these globalists/bankers go to jail for the fraud they perpetuate instead of getting fined the equivalent of a parking ticket ....

In other words you acknowledge that the power rests with the consumer.

Your question was: So what do you do as a consumer....

 

[systematic]

I could have just as easily said consumers are irrelevant and will feed on the slop they are given ....
the cows are not in charge of the farm ....

 

[col0016]

I could have just as easily said consumers are irrelevant and will feed on the slop they are given ....
the cows are not in charge of the farm ....

Tell that to Holden and Ford who couldn't make any money because people DECIDED they wanted different cars.

 

[Golightly]

I could have just as easily said consumers are irrelevant and will feed on the slop they are given ....
the cows are not in charge of the farm ....

Tell that to Holden and Ford who couldn't make any money because people DECIDED they wanted different cars.

Or maybe they were just relying on the business plan of taxpayer assistance.
They didn't keep up with obvious market trends and continued to build over sized and powered American style cars.

 

[systematic]

I could have just as easily said consumers are irrelevant and will feed on the slop they are given ....
the cows are not in charge of the farm ....

Tell that to Holden and Ford who couldn't make any money because people DECIDED they wanted different cars.

Got a link for that?

 

[mmm....shiney!]

I could have just as easily said consumers are irrelevant and will feed on the slop they are given ....
the cows are not in charge of the farm ....

But consumers are not irrelevant and every day they act upon both sound and poor decision making processes to determine what they will or what they won't buy. I'm both amused and exasperated at times that those that like to label consumers as dumb, easily led and the gullible victims of slick marketing campaigns never include themselves in that group. :/ It's very convenient to blame the woes of the world on those that actually make money by producing goods that others want.

Every week I make sound informed decisions about my consumption, every week I also make poor decisions either because I'm ill-informed or just plain lazy and don't care.

 

[systematic]

I often wonder who asked for all that crap at the $2 shop ...