The 2015 Panda

copperhead

copperhead

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First question
The 2015 panda has no indication of silver content references ( .999 pure silver 1 oz)
That I do see could be considered as an extra push towards Art

Now what I need to figure

if my budget is $100 weekly
My investment wonder for today is
With silver I have two directions
Just get the lowest cost 1 oz type each week
Like as of now a batch $19.05 of Silver Britannia
that will be 5 coins plus some 90% coin or that type like a quarter
or
4 panda coins averaging a touch under $100
the 2015 panda are $24.36 today
yet my curiosity towards the Panda is tweaked as a 2014 has a selling price of $30
Will a 2015 be of that extra value above spot 2016 ?

I was previous pushing on with the Canadian Silver Bison Coin
1 1/4 oz @ $24.81 , a decent deal for 5 oz . Should I just continue with that as my
direction ?


5 oz SilverTowne Poured Silver Bar is $94.80 another choice
 
Only heaven knows what the price of a 2015 Panda will be in the year 2016 - but going by history, most (if not all) silver Pandas are generally more expensive the following year/s after release.
 
Well I guess I could just get my quota and include a panda
if as you say " most (if not all) silver Pandas are generally more expensive the following year/s after release "
 
Problem with the Canadian coins as of recently are the milk spots.if you want coins that will go up in value over time, get the 2 oz lunar coins....much better ROI
 
If we assume a constant that might not or might be a positive ROI
Pandas a year later might have an increase of $45 for the 4 coins on top of spot gain or loss
Long term if we consider the "some day " a $ 95 investment for 5 coins could be worth $190 if silver doubles
Going Back to the 4 Pandas with a constant $45 along with a silver @ double = is $300

Now if the SHTF I think all bets are off and who ever has the most ounces will have made the best choice IMO .
Seems logical if tragic conditions occur the Stacker's of Pandas will hit a wall with a request from the service
provider who takes silver for your survival that all that will matter is how many ounces of silver you have to sell or barter .

Still as the world turns day to day seems the ROI with numismatic desired coins is tempting to diversifier with
& that might be the answer, to diversifier wile in the realm of physical silver holding.
so it's time to develop patiences to build up some numismatic desired coins one by one
 
That's a might big if...and then if it does...what will it mean...how bad and how long...NO ONE KNOWS THE ANSWER!! I think it is prudent to diversify holdings with PM's...coins (cheap), semi-numi, and numi....no thanks to the duane like rounds. Or zombie bucks, etc....no way.
 
barsenault said:
That's a might big if...and then if it does...what will it mean...how bad and how long...NO ONE KNOWS THE ANSWER!! I think it is prudent to diversify holdings with PM's...coins (cheap), semi-numi, and numi....no thanks to the duane like rounds. Or zombie bucks, etc....no way.
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Yes it seems to me legitimate rounds range from $2 over. The numismatic value coins from comfortable to not such a good deal any more are better then
zombie bucks & the type are just the value of the PM.
A way to look at the coin market is as long as numismatic value has the fancy of some -
times are good .
 
if talk about investment of precious metal (bullion), paper is better and cost effective than physical. Physical premium over spot is much higher than paper. This is the case in Singapore.

By active management of the paper you might turnaround faster than earning 20-30% of ROI as compare to recent year panda. High mintage of the 1 oz panda limit the trend of value appreciation as compare to panda before year 2000. However, 2015 and 2014 might be a key date for panda because 2015 no indication of weight and purity of the coin. You might consider 2014 and 2015 5 oz proof panda with box and coa which sell at low price as compare to older years panda. It is around USD 220 - 280 for omp and 300 - 350 for NGC PF69.

Numic has much higher premium. However bullion and numic are 2 different animals in this case.

Numic can group into medal and coins, old and modern, countries, raw or slab and so on and on. It is very personal choice.

Personally, I did sell numic on freelance basis. You need high capital to keep stock to earn around 30-40% margin exclude overhead and cost of keeping stock. The worst case is stock become slow moving and not people ask for years. Therefore, it is not an easy trade in Singapore as coin dealer with physical shop.
 
fltacoma said:
Problem with the Canadian coins as of recently are the milk spots.if you want coins that will go up in value over time, get the 2 oz lunar coins....much better ROI
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lunar coins seem to be way over spot ( like $45 easy )
For me thats not stacking but more coin collecting .
The concept of stacking for me is to convert
a portion of our daily pay to the most silver it can equate .
 
copperhead said:
fltacoma said:
Problem with the Canadian coins as of recently are the milk spots.if you want coins that will go up in value over time, get the 2 oz lunar coins....much better ROI
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lunar coins seem to be way over spot ( like $45 easy )
For me thats not stacking but more coin collecting .
The concept of stacking for me is to convert
a portion of our daily pay to the most silver it can equate .
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Don't you want to buy these close to spot when they are newly released? At least here in Europe Lunar coins trade with similar premium to spot as Eagles. At some point you could buy 2 oz horses for same premium as Maples.

Of course if you stack older years like now you will end up paying high premium.
 
2015 sucks. No indication of anything. Yes i bought some but i dont like them. A bullion coin has to have the metal and fineness indicator.
 
Lunar coins ( new release ) in America start too high for 1 oz But this is $46 a 2015 2 oz Australian Silver Goat Coin (BU) is this it

No indication of anything on the panda - - for the panda collectors of the future they might have a sweet spot as it must be a transition coin to metric . But years down the road how could it not be an issue .At least on the side edge they should of marked it

But Figure this possibility, if they will make a change soon with Indications thus causing the first release 2015 to be unique
 
copperhead said:
Lunar coins ( new release ) in America start too high for 1 oz But this is $46 a 2015 2 oz Australian Silver Goat Coin (BU) is this it

No indication of anything on the panda - - for the panda collectors of the future they might have a sweet spot as it must be a transition coin to metric . But years down the road how could it not be an issue .At least on the side edge they should of marked it

But Figure this possibility, if they will make a change soon with Indications thus causing the first release 2015 to be unique
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the 1 oz lunars weren't 45.00 out of the gate. Maybe the dragons were priced high. But horses were just fine. The goats were just fine. So, not sure what you're talking about 45.00 out of the gate for a lunar. not so. horses may be up to 45.00 now, but you're late to the game on the 1oz. I got them for about 34 at the time...and spot was a lot higher than it is now. The goats came out at like 26 -28...maybe even lower...
 
copperhead said:
Lunar coins ( new release ) in America start too high for 1 oz But this is $46 a 2015 2 oz Australian Silver Goat Coin (BU) is this it

No indication of anything on the panda - - for the panda collectors of the future they might have a sweet spot as it must be a transition coin to metric . But years down the road how could it not be an issue .At least on the side edge they should of marked it

But Figure this possibility, if they will make a change soon with Indications thus causing the first release 2015 to be unique
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oh, and I love the lunar series...not so much the goats.
 
Figures the goats are most reasonable

JM bullion has it a 2 oz goat for that price
the 1 oz is like $35 for the goat .
 
barsenault said:
copperhead said:
Lunar coins ( new release ) in America start too high for 1 oz But this is $46 a 2015 2 oz Australian Silver Goat Coin (BU) is this it

No indication of anything on the panda - - for the panda collectors of the future they might have a sweet spot as it must be a transition coin to metric . But years down the road how could it not be an issue .At least on the side edge they should of marked it

But Figure this possibility, if they will make a change soon with Indications thus causing the first release 2015 to be unique
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oh, and I love the lunar series...not so much the goats.
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Better listen to your wife barsenault. :lol:
 
 
dccpa thanks for the other silver sellers . Looks like it's time for some completive shopping

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I studied all of the links . Wile it's IMO JMB over all offers some better pricing on a vast selection
and the others particular provident can beat them on some coins by .20 cents. I noticed if your into
the Lunars those links do allow you to save on those type of coins . If there is a numismatic windfall on the horizon
those sellers let you in on some coins at a nice price.

I guess for me I will supplement my more common type 1 oz purchases with the numi's but I have to stay focused on the direction
to push for more oz per dollar

When I see a coin (1oz) for $70 - I marvel at it & I am curios what the intro price was . I was bemused by seeing 1 0z silver Proofs
with some Gold gilding for over $1200 I'd rather have a OZ gold coin or for less this http://www.jmbullion.com/50-oz-silvertowne-poured-silver-bar/

I have a conclusion (kinda) as long as there is affectioned collecting of PM coins
then TSHNHTF TS Has Not HTF yet .
 
I did get my first Panda today from Ebay 2013 for $27 just a typical panda
But they are nice & I can see why people go for them . Still I don't see the point of the 2015
with out the fitness of coin . Just surprised with all the hype of counterfeits seems like the door is wide open for 2015
till they stamp the Fitness of coin .
 
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