Switzerland Gold referendum how it will affect gold?

Whether the votes go yes or no its good PR for gold. I am going to have my finger on the buy button for the next few weeks watching very carefully.

America has only sent Germany 5% of the 300 tonnes they requested a while back, wonder why...

Another big move coming up is LBMA is putting together a new model for Gold pricing.
 
Director said:
Did the Germans end up getting their gold back from the yanks?

:lol: no. Apparently it was to appease a minority party when Merkel was up for election, they didn't really want it.
 
Thinking about this... Aloud, as it were...

What if, rather than buy the necessary gold in to back it 20%, what if they just raised the price of gold by 12.3%, as measured in ChF?

That would mean they could provide a 20% with their current holdings, and it would significantly devalue the ChF relative to other currencies. That would help with their peg... They've been struggling to keep it below 1.2 to the euro for some time.

Mind, it would be inflationary for the Swiss, and I doubt the ECB and the Fed would be pleased to find their currencies rising against the Swiss Franc, but would it matter that much?

Or have I misunderstood something?
 
No1joey said:
Whether the votes go yes or no its good PR for gold. I am going to have my finger on the buy button for the next few weeks watching very carefully.

America has only sent Germany 5% of the 300 tonnes they requested a while back, wonder why...

5%? - I think you'll find that it was less than half a percent!!
 
Well the conservative party that made the referendum happen is a very popular political party in Sweden. The Yes vote is looking good at this stage. Its not like the Greens here in Australia, it's more like the liberals. It has a 50/50 chance IMO.
 
No1joey said:
Well the conservative party that made the referendum happen is a very popular political party in Sweden. The Yes vote is looking good at this stage. Its not like the Greens here in Australia, it's more like the liberals. It has a 50/50 chance IMO.

sweden?

the svp is a right wing conservative anti immigration party popular in german speaking switzerland. not sure if they have the 50/50 support, especially in the other language cantons.
 
dozerz said:
No1joey said:
Well the conservative party that made the referendum happen is a very popular political party in Sweden. The Yes vote is looking good at this stage. Its not like the Greens here in Australia, it's more like the liberals. It has a 50/50 chance IMO.

sweden?

the svp is a right wing conservative anti immigration party popular in german speaking switzerland. not sure if they have the 50/50 support, especially in the other language cantons.

Switzerland.

Even if the party isn't as popular as you think, Gold is very popular with the swiss, always has been. Even if the vote doesn't go through just the thought is good PR for gold. At the end of the day markets are just sentiment.
 
Something is missing from the they will have to buy 164 tonnes..... HOW much do the have in New York Depository.... is it 1 tonne or 10 tonnes or 100 tonnes or 1000 Tonnes .. my point is with out the current holdings we wont know how much they will need to buy to get to the 20% required.. it could only be a relatively small amount ( that is relatively small if you are a Central Bank) or it could be the whole lot ???
 
I based my calculations on the premise that their current monetary base is backed by gold to 7.7%, as advertised, and that the reported volume of money is as quoted.

of course, if those numbers are inaccurate, the calculations will be too.
 
MyAg47 said:
Something is missing from the they will have to buy 164 tonnes..... HOW much do the have in New York Depository.... is it 1 tonne or 10 tonnes or 100 tonnes or 1000 Tonnes .. my point is with out the current holdings we wont know how much they will need to buy to get to the 20% required.. it could only be a relatively small amount ( that is relatively small if you are a Central Bank) or it could be the whole lot ???

Perhaps what is of greatest concern is that the current government appear to be blissfully ignorant of where Swiss gold is located. When asked where the SNB gold reserves are currently stored, a spokesperson for the Federal Department of Finance answered in parliament:

"I cannot say, because I do not know, because I do not need to know and because I do not want to know"
:rolleyes:
 
LONDON/ZURICH, Oct 23 (Reuters) - The Swiss franc has been a haven of relative calm in choppy currency markets in recent weeks, but a referendum next month on "saving" Switzerland's gold reserves could change all that.

For currency investors, though, the new requirement could generate volatility in the franc and threaten the three-year-old cap on its value against the euro, which the SNB imposed to prevent the Swiss currency from appreciating, ward off deflation and boost growth.

The bank now invests the bulk of its currency reserves of around 500 billion francs in euros and about a quarter in dollars. The share of gold holdings has been coming down over the past few years as it stepped up its intervention in the currency market.

A "Yes" vote would see it more than double the quantity of gold holdings. Given the preponderance of euros in its FX reserves, that would most likely entail selling euros. The single European currency would probably drop, threatening the SNB's 1.20 francs per euro floor, analysts said.

The gold initiative's committee began its campaign in the Swiss capital, Berne, on Thursday. Posters showing a red and white piggy bank - the colours of Switzerland's flag - and the slogan "Save our Swiss gold" can already be seen around the country, including Zurich's main railway station.

The latest polls show the initiative does not have huge support - about 45 percent, which is expected to decline as the vote comes closer - and is controversial even within the SVP. It is also not prominent on investors' radar.
Reuters
 
Great interview about the upcoming Swiss gold referendum.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWrrzVqYMeE[/youtube]
 
Grant Williams in his latest TTMYGH said:
The SNB will NOT reduce the size of their balance sheet in order to meet the 20% mandate should the motion be passed.

There. Quote me on that.

And we all know what THAT leaves, don't we boys and girls?

Yes, in order to meet the regulations should the Gold Initiative pass, the SNB will need to buy 1,700 tons of gold at the market (assuming, of course, that they don't expand their balance sheet further in the meantime something that, with the increasingly weak euro, is doubtful in the extreme). That equates to roughly $70 billion or CHF 67 billion.

Quite a long read, but as always insightful and brilliantly written.

http://www.mauldineconomics.com/ttmygh/this-little-piggy-bent-the-market
 
The Swiss would have to sell their foreign reserves to buy the gold. It would be the only way to buy it without further expanding its central bank's balance sheet forcing them to buy even more gold. This would weaken the euro against the franc given most of the Swiss foreign reserves are in euros and put pressure on franc/euro peg. There is no way this will be allowed to get up.
 
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