Shouldnt silver and gold be going up right now?

October
South Wind
Symbol: Fire
The South Wind tile is considered to be a very good sign in a reading.
It almost ensures a satisfactory end to any problem.


(i have to point out this is not financial advice - i am sharing my personal reading with the forum)
 
Chilli said:
From memory I think it was Jim Sinclair who said a few months ago,
"be prepared for violent swings of up and down in gold and silver but rest assured the trend is UP "

Long term trend up in Gold only... Silver on the way down to support levels of low 20's. Breaks below this, down she goes to support level ofs $15 or $10
 
silver is a relatively small market and thus more easily ... cough cough ... "influenced"

keep that in mind - webbot data has predicted wild swings in silver are coming ...
 
EJAM5 said:
Chilli said:
From memory I think it was Jim Sinclair who said a few months ago,
"be prepared for violent swings of up and down in gold and silver but rest assured the trend is UP "

Long term trend up in Gold only... Silver on the way down to support levels of low 20's. Breaks below this, down she goes to support level ofs $15 or $10
I am pullin for you on this one with every finger and toe crossed!
 
EJAM5 said:
Chilli said:
From memory I think it was Jim Sinclair who said a few months ago,
"be prepared for violent swings of up and down in gold and silver but rest assured the trend is UP "

Long term trend up in Gold only... Silver on the way down to support levels of low 20's. Breaks below this, down she goes to support level ofs $15 or $10

Surely this is (what we are seeing now) only allowed to happen because the silver (and gold) prices are a paper game right? There must come a time when the cost of production will exceed the electronic quoted price, then what? I have no idea what it costs to produce an oz of silver but I am guessing it's not 50 cents.
 
EJAM5 said:
Chilli said:
From memory I think it was Jim Sinclair who said a few months ago,
"be prepared for violent swings of up and down in gold and silver but rest assured the trend is UP "

Long term trend up in Gold only... Silver on the way down to support levels of low 20's. Breaks below this, down she goes to support level ofs $15 or $10

Long term trend up in Gold only? Since when has this been the case?
 
My view only. Silver has/had been 'pumped' up for the last few years, then 'dumped' after breaking the all time high and forming the double-top.

The 1yr Silver uptrend line was well and truly broken last night. It will need to find support with sustained volume before consolidating and rising back up to resume the trend. Will "they" move back in again soon and show support at $30? Only time will tell. No support at that level, then it'll drop to the previous support levels in mid/low 20s.

Happy to hear other peoples views.
 
metalzzz said:
I'm confused... I don't understand how silver can be a great thing to hold if shtf

It might be a good thing to be holding right now if the Aussie dollar tanks. Of course it all depends on when you started buying silver - in the 'teens, 20's, 30's or 40's. Consider this: Silver has just fallen 26% in about a day. But the Aussie dollar has dropped around 6 cents on the last week, which cushions the drop a little for Australian holders of the metal. Also, remember we are talking spot price. So what you are holding makes a big difference - The premium on PM Lunars remains high, look at tigers and dragon 1oz'ers. Also, if spot were to fall into the low 20's, there will be a severe shortage of silver, because there is no doubt whatsoever that governments, particularly China will buy it up as it is a strategic metal, probably the most strategic metal of them all, and it is quite rare. I think that there is a silver war behind the scenes, the strategic value if that metal is right up there with oil.

Silver may be being treated as a bog ordinary resource in the markets at the moment, but there is a lot more to the story in the background. Personally if silver ever reached $70.00 I would sell whatever I had.
 
EJAM5 said:
My view only. Silver has/had been 'pumped' up for the last few years, then 'dumped' after breaking the all time high and forming the double-top.

The 1yr Silver uptrend line was well and truly broken last night. It will need to find support with sustained volume before consolidating and rising back up to resume the trend. Will "they" move back in again soon and show support at $30? Only time will tell. No support at that level, then it'll drop to the previous support levels in mid/low 20s.

Happy to hear other peoples views.
Sounds right to me. I'm on the "higher margin brings lower price" train
 
hawkeye said:
US is still perceived as a safe haven at this point in time. Nothing conspiratorial about it.

But people need to note, silver is not worth as much as people think. The reason it is going up is mainly due to the commodity boom and hoarding due to monetary problems. While it is an excellent opportunity, (although personally I am waiting for it to go a bit lower, below 30), there will be a nasty crash after the ultimate top (around the time the US defaults). And it won't recover for decades. Be wary. I'm fully expecting silver to be very cheap by the time 2020 rolls around and I will have lost interest some time before then.


Are you referring to price or value? If the US defaulted where would all the money flow? currencies would be all but over without a backing wouldn't they?
 
grinners said:
hawkeye said:
US is still perceived as a safe haven at this point in time. Nothing conspiratorial about it.

But people need to note, silver is not worth as much as people think. The reason it is going up is mainly due to the commodity boom and hoarding due to monetary problems. While it is an excellent opportunity, (although personally I am waiting for it to go a bit lower, below 30), there will be a nasty crash after the ultimate top (around the time the US defaults). And it won't recover for decades. Be wary. I'm fully expecting silver to be very cheap by the time 2020 rolls around and I will have lost interest some time before then.


Are you referring to price or value? If the US defaulted where would all the money flow? currencies would be all but over without a backing wouldn't they?
I wouldn't be making my investment decisions based on the notion the US will default by 2020. We're going to have a Republican in office from 2012 - 2020 so spending will be slashed to the bone ;)
 
940palmtx said:
grinners said:
hawkeye said:
US is still perceived as a safe haven at this point in time. Nothing conspiratorial about it.

But people need to note, silver is not worth as much as people think. The reason it is going up is mainly due to the commodity boom and hoarding due to monetary problems. While it is an excellent opportunity, (although personally I am waiting for it to go a bit lower, below 30), there will be a nasty crash after the ultimate top (around the time the US defaults). And it won't recover for decades. Be wary. I'm fully expecting silver to be very cheap by the time 2020 rolls around and I will have lost interest some time before then.


Are you referring to price or value? If the US defaulted where would all the money flow? currencies would be all but over without a backing wouldn't they?
I wouldn't be making my investment decisions based on the notion the US will default by 2020. We're going to have a Republican in office from 2012 - 2020 so spending will be slashed to the bone ;)

Ha ha. Republicans. Slashing spending. Ha ha. Good one.
 
Ha ha ha a Republican in office. My bet is on Bernard Obama. When 40 million are on food stamps who are you going to vote for. The guy talking austerity and slashing or the guy talking handouts . My bet is on handouts.
 
Now, now mates, political debate is not allowed and I probably should have said "different" leadership from 2012 - 2020. Btw, there will be drastic cuts in spending once "different" leadership controls the Senate as well ;)
 
All I was hoping for was silver to be steady over the course of this month. I wasn't asking for much. Just enough time to cash in to finish my renovation. I'm still ahead, but that lost 25% is going to be just that: a lost 25%.... Bugger.

Landscaping may have to wait...

I'm just feeling demoralised right now.
 
Nickoru said:
There are some stupid people who do not understand one simple thing: if PMs are gonna be distributed among the entire world population, or even just middle-class people, all you wold get yearly is only around 1/2 oz silver and 1/20th oz of gold.

And thats why they are RARE and VALUABLE. Be assured the price can only go up, value is already there, ask China CB. Other thing is, as the price will go up, not that many ppl will be able to afford it anyway...
 
940palmtx said:
Now, now mates, political debate is not allowed and I probably should have said "different" leadership from 2012 - 2020. Btw, there will be drastic cuts in spending once "different" leadership controls the Senate as well ;)
Political debate not being allowed? Thats news to me!!! Politics is central to what we are doing here ie stacking, and cannot be divorced from consideration of the thread topic.

In terms of there being drastic cuts in spending If/when republicans exert their influence.......... The republicans may make drastic cuts in some area's ie education, social security, health (all the area's that Democrats typically spend more on), but I wouldn't be expecting any cuts to some other area's ie the military. And we all know how much the USA contributes to that! If anything, expect more money to roll into the military should the republicans exert their influence (and start more wars/regime changes/interventions or whatever word is fashionable to hide killing on a mass scale). The talked about "drastic cuts" appear little more than charades for the domestic population while at the same time the debt ceiling keeps getting raised.

The US deficit is so wildly out of control and untenable in being meaningfully reduced, that it won't matter what US government (political party) is in power and what shallow promises are made in terms of "drastics cuts in spending". And it is that dynamic, combined with the the US$ being the effective reserve currency of the world which has silver and gold where it is right now. Why is gold and silver not going up right now in terms of the current correction? The reasons could be numerous and include way out there on the edge NWO type conspiricy to destroy anything which will challenge the establishment of a new world reserve currency to other more malign reasons. Discounting my own personal beliefs of the big picture "stuff", I think the short term narrower view is that people need fiat and fast. Margin calls on highly leveraged stock holdings mean that people need to come up with money fast for their creditors and sometimes this might mean dipping into their core PM holdings if they hold physical. People with both leverage stocks and commodities are even in a bigger pickel if there are margin calls from the creditors (ie they may only have paper PMs and leveraged ones at that). This might be overly simplistic and only part of the picture but it does seem that when stocks take a sudden big hit, so too do PM prices. However it normally doesn't take long for the PM corrections to bottom, consolidate and start moving back up and beyond (look at where silver dropped to in 2008. Wish I'd bought MUCH bigger back then!).

I can't see any dynamic in the world global system that has changed positively. I see the US$ as still poisonous (though the only option available among all other options seeing as it is the world reserve currency and the system is set up to support its use). The US economy is still ugly. Europes (collective) financial woes which are inextricably linked to the US financial system is likewise ugly. The IMF and World bank still exert their ugly influence for the ultimate benefit of the 1st world countries (read USA and Europe) at the expence of 3rd world countries. Nothing has changed for the better. If anything, the house of cards appears much shakier. So though silver and gold have pulled back significantly, this shouldn't be somethng we are all agast at. We have been talking about this for months (and years) so now that its happening, why are some of us getting surprised? Or is it scared? :) Maybe nervous is a better word?

I would add though that we should be careful what we wish for. When/If the big crash happens (SHTF scenario), it might be very ugly and in a much different way to that which we imagine or plan for. For that reason, we can only stack and position ourselves POTENTIALLY in a better financial situation. What other alternative is there? Therefore on that note, I look at the current prices as nothing but a buying opportunity and perhaps the last one as these levels. And if I'm wrong and silver/gold drop even more, then great. I'll take that additional buying opportunity as a god send. I don't see any other alternative.

Politics has EVERYTHING to do with it, and USA politics lies at the heart of it all.......... IMO of course.
 
MetalMajix said:
Hi Nick,
You sound as you have first hand experience of what it was like in Russia when communism collapsed?
Could you provide your experiences and/or what you heard about this time.
What happened to the currency, PMS, living conditions.
Thanks, in advance.
Hi there!

I certainly been through the hardships of 'de-communization' and economic collapse but it's not necessary to repeat in your country.
Intercity economic bonds were cut off so we got ourselves in deep shortage of cloth, food, etc. Not starving, though.
There were people selling PMs (my mom included) to cover ongoing expenses but nevertheless there were others who quickly bought it. The price of gold was stable. All kinds of necessary goods rapidly advanced in price (I guess the sellers of those were the guys buying gold). Afterwards the old cash notes were canceled and exchanged into the new ones for a terrible loss (my dad lost a fortune).
I prefer not to remember about the living conditions. It's not that it was very hard to survive (though crime went all way up and some factories were paying salary in goods rather than money - you've got to sell it yourself in the street (toys, glassware, cycles, spare parts for cars, books, tools etc. they produced) but it's just out and gone whatsoever from my life...
 
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