Russia prepares to attack the petrodollar

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Russia prepares to attack the petrodollar

The US dollar's position as the base currency for global energy trading gives the US a number of unfair advantages. It seems that Moscow is ready to take those advantages away.

The existence of "petrodollars" is one of the pillars of America's economic might because it creates a significant external demand for American currency, allowing the US to accumulate enormous debts without defaulting. If a Japanese buyer wants to buy a barrel of Saudi oil, he has to pay in dollars even if no American oil company ever touches the said barrel. Dollar has held a dominant position in global trading for such a long time that even Gazprom's natural gas contracts for Europe are priced and paid for in US dollars. Until recently, a significant part of EU-China trade had been priced in dollars.

Lately, China has led the BRICS efforts to dislodge the dollar from its position as the main global currency, but the "sanctions war" between Washington and Moscow gave an impetus to the long-awaited scheme to launch the petroruble and switch all Russian energy exports away from the US currency .

The main supporters of this plan are Sergey Glaziev, the economic aide of the Russian President and Igor Sechin, the CEO of Rosneft, the biggest Russian oil company and a close ally of Vladimir Putin. Both have been very vocal in their quest to replace the dollar with the Russian ruble. Now, several top Russian officials are pushing the plan forward.

First, it was the Minister of Economy, Alexei Ulyukaev who told Russia 24 news channel that the Russian energy companies must ditch the dollar. "They must be braver in signing contracts in rubles and the currencies of partner-countries," he said.

Then, on March 2, Andrei Kostin, the CEO of state-owned VTB bank, told the press that Gazprom, Rosneft and Rosoboronexport, state company specialized in weapon exports, can start trading in rubles. " I've spoken to Gazprom, to Rosneft and Rosoboronexport management and they don't mind switching their exports to rubles. They only need a mechanism to do that ", Kostin told the attendees of the annual Russian Bank Association meeting.

Judging by the statement made at the same meeting by Valentina Matviyenko, the speaker of Russia's upper house of parliament, it is safe to assume that no resources will be spared to create such a mechanism. " Some 'hot headed' decision-makers have already forgotten that the global economic crisis of 2008 - which is still taking its toll on the world - started with a collapse of certain credit institutions in the US, Great Britain and other countries. This is why we believe that any hostile financial actions are a double-edged sword and even the slightest error will send the boomerang back to the aborigines," she said.

It seems that Moscow has decided who will be in charge of the "boomerang". Igor Sechin, the CEO of Rosneft, has been nominated to chair the board of directors of Saint-Petersburg Commodity Exchange, a specialized commodity exchange. In October 2013, speaking at the World Energy Congress in Korea, Sechin called for a "global mechanism to trade natural gas" and went on suggesting that " it was advisable to create an international exchange for the participating countries, where transactions could be registered with the use of regional currencies ". Now, one of the most influential leaders of the global energy trading community has the perfect instrument to make this plan a reality. A Russian commodity exchange where reference prices for Russian oil and natural gas will be set in rubles instead of dollars will be a strong blow to the petrodollar.

Rosneft has recently signed a series of big contracts for oil exports to China and is close to signing a "jumbo deal" with Indian companies. In both deals, there are no US dollars involved. Reuters reports, that Russia is close to entering a goods-for-oil swap transaction with Iran that will give Rosneft around 500,000 barrels of Iranian oil per day to sell in the global market. The White House and the russophobes in the Senate are livid and are trying to block the transaction because it opens up some very serious and nasty scenarios for the petrodollar. If Sechin decides to sell this Iranian oil for rubles, through a Russian exchange, such move will boost the chances of the "petroruble" and will hurt the petrodollar.

It can be said that the US sanctions have opened a Pandora's box of troubles for the American currency. The Russian retaliation will surely be unpleasant for Washington, but what happens if other oil producers and consumers decide to follow the example set by Russia? During the last month, China opened two centers to process yuan-denominated trade flows, one in London and one in Frankfurt. Are the Chinese preparing a similar move against the greenback? We'll soon find out.


Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_04/Russia-prepares-to-attack-the-petrodollar-2335/

Also found the following links:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/06/357386/china-uses-economy-to-avert-cold-war/

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38165.htm
 
Another sign that the u.s. dollar is going to...........rise.
For soooooo many years these theories have abounded to what end?
Be prepared for the fleecing of a lifetime as the U.S. dollar shorts get creamed. More stories...more suckers. Maybe a few more months before it starts...
As for these shorts...each level will get smashed....set up and smashed again.
 
although, you have to wonder if there is a new Ribbentrop-pact in the offing, with The Ukraine, EU and Russian Federation
 
tolly_67 said:
Another sign that the u.s. dollar is going to...........rise.
For soooooo many years these theories have abounded to what end?
Be prepared for the fleecing of a lifetime as the U.S. dollar shorts get creamed. More stories...more suckers. Maybe a few more months before it starts...
As for these shorts...each level will get smashed....set up and smashed again.

I kind of have to agree with this.
I don't think the US dollar is going to be in any kind of trouble for the forseeable future.
If the stock market crashes this year, the US dollar will become a refuge again.
 
This should get the party started

Curious what the fate of the petrodollar is? Look no farther than this Interfax update blasted moments ago by Bloomberg: "Gazprom Considers 'Symbolic' Yuan Bond Issue,Interfax Says."

Bloomberg adds that the gas giant is considering proposals from potential organizers to market bonds in yuan, Interfax reports, citing people with knowledge of the matter.

-Gazprom unlikely be able to gain more than $300m due to mkt volume, newswire reports
-No mandates, deal timeline yet
-Issue may add new investors, become a "topical" public relations act amid tensions with U.S., EU

... and the New New Normal flow of funds will suddenly become clear -

Gazprom delivering gas to China->China Gazprom paying in Yuan(convertible into Rubles)->Gazprom funding itself increasingly in Yuan->Russia buying Chinese goods and services in Yuan (convertible into Rubles).
And all of this with the US banker cartel completely disintermediated courtesy of the glaring absence of the USD in any of the above listed steps, or as some may call it: from the Petrodollar to the Gas-o-yuan (something 40 central banks have already figured out... just not the Fed).
ZH
 
millededge said:
Russia is totally dependent on the price of oil and gas
The developed world is totally dependent on oil and gas.

You can't tank prices without tanking global trade (and local economies including ours).
 
Mr Medved said:
millededge said:
Russia is totally dependent on the price of oil and gas
The developed world is totally dependent on oil and gas.

You can't tank prices without tanking global trade (and local economies including ours).

Trade tanks first

Then the dollar rises and hard commodities/energy fall
 
millededge said:
Russia is totally dependent on the price of oil and gas

Exactly and what if they start selling it exclusively in rubles?
Then, the buyer will have to buy rubles first in order to be able to buy the commodities.

Russia is playing a dangerous game, but so is the West.

If the financial warfare escalates, it'll hurt both sides. I hope things will calm down soon.
 
Can't see any of the other major oil producers in the Middle East apart from Iran abandoning their USPetrodollar arrangement, as they all rely on US military protection and have so for a long time now. It is mutually beneficially for both sides to keep the status qua. War is just an extension of economics and Russia is in a vulnerable economic position to start with. Will be interesting to watch it unfold and see how effective it is.
 
I have spoken to a few people now who are worried about the Russians and Chinese dumping their US treasuries. In fact, a lot of people here seem to think that is actually the ace in the hole for the two rising powers.

But what they don't understand is that it is just funny money. As soon as there is any indication of a dump, the fed will add some more zeroes on their screen and scoop the lot up. No crash. You would have to be daft to think that the US has not got contingencies for such a situation given that the large foreign reserves held by these countries are common knowledge.

I wouldn't want to engage in a financial war with the US, they are cheaters. If I was a betting man, I would put the lot on them to come out ahead.

Interesting read as well: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/did-russia-just-dump-its-treasury-holdings/
 
Dabloodymess said:
But what they don't understand is that it is just funny money. As soon as there is any indication of a dump, the fed will add some more zeroes on their screen and scoop the lot up. No crash. You would have to be daft to think that the US has not got contingencies for such a situation given that the large foreign reserves held by these countries are common knowledge.
I think you're missing the other part of the equation here. Yes they can "print" all those 0s to buy the Treasuries, but Russia and China will receive all those 0s in this case.
So the treasuries will be fine, but US dollar and price of whatever (gold?) Russia and China would buy with those 0s won't be fine.
And they will buy something, because I don't think they trust US dollars much more than US Treasures.
 
C.H. said:
Dabloodymess said:
But what they don't understand is that it is just funny money. As soon as there is any indication of a dump, the fed will add some more zeroes on their screen and scoop the lot up. No crash. You would have to be daft to think that the US has not got contingencies for such a situation given that the large foreign reserves held by these countries are common knowledge.
I think you're missing the other part of the equation here. Yes they can "print" all those 0s to buy the Treasuries, but Russia and China will receive all those 0s in this case.
So the treasuries will be fine, but US dollar and price of whatever (gold?) Russia and China would buy with those 0s won't be fine.
And they will buy something, because I don't think they trust US dollars much more than US Treasures.

But if you believe the rhetoric that China and Russia will do a dollar dump to crash the treasuries, then they would have to flood the market with treasuries at well below the going rate. This means the money they receive will be much less than the posted value of their treasuries.

i.e. China has 1 trillion of treasuries, which they dump at 10cents in the dollar in an attempt to create a crash. The Fed prints up 100 billion (10% of 1 trillion) and buys the lot. China has 100 billion dollars, the US has 1 trillion of treasuries back in its hands. 100 billion is nothing... basically chump change for a large nation in this day and age.

That's assuming that the Fed would have to do all the work on its own. Its pretty likely that institutional investors would also get in on it and absorb a lot of the cut price treasuries. There could be a momentary dip, but it would recover pretty quickly IMO. Basically I don't think the threat of BRICS crashing the dollar is that big.
 
Uncertainty in Europe is putting enormous pressure on the Rouble such that Russian treasury notes will go down the toilet. Regardless of what you think, an impending European war will drive enormous amounts of capital back to......wait for it.......drum roll........U.S. treasuries and they will move up rapidly.
Why on earth would the Russians and the Chinese dump a sure thing? As sure as the sun comes up tomorrow the Chinese know this fact. They are not swayed by debt, q.e., petro dollar..blah,blah,blah.
This is just more tripe. You only have to look at the rouble over the last few months and Russian interest rates and you will see reality.
 
And moreover, which country is located furtherest from the problems and has the worlds foremost weaponry industry.....ummmmmm...good for the economy don't you think.
 
If the BRICS countries are so called against the dollar, why do they then buy US Treasuries?
BRICS totals US Treasuries (billion dollars):
Jan 2007: 422.4
Jan 2008: 684.1
Jan 2009: 1025.2
Jan 2010: 1215
Jan 2011: 1532.2
Jan 2012: 1587.7
Jan 2013: 1702.7
Jan 2014: 1732.5
Look at how the crisis made these BRICS countries support the dollar.
Whoever that 'VoiceOfRussia' is, apparently it's not those that decide about dollar Treasuries.
 
So what happens when China and Russia are only prepared to take no USD denominated assets for their US Treasuries. Ie

Sure the Fed can add zero's and buy Euro, pounds etc, but that causes the same problem...... The USD cash actually hits the pavement.

ATM with all the printing since 2007 we haven't seen the hyperinflation gremin. Why? Because the banking system and the US government via bonds issued are soaking up all that extra cash. The US has been exporting all it's inflation and China has been happy to do it in order to continue their needs for massive growth targets.

They know its funny money and they'll have to dump it sooner or later. What if the Russia situation forces their hands before the inevitable Japanese situation unfolds slowly?

Even better, what if they created a mini-basket with Russia as a second reserve currency simultaneously? Yuan-o-rouble anyone?

IF both China and Russia were completely on board to sink the USD, together they could do it over night.
 
Lovey80 said:
Even better, what if they created a mini-basket with Russia as a second reserve currency simultaneously? Yuan-o-rouble anyone?

IF both China and Russia were completely on board to sink the USD, together they could do it over night.
I wonder where the IMF (and who-ever controls it) and the central banks (who-ever controls them) come into play with all this? Serious question. My brain is starting to hurt with all this non transparent maneuvering
 
Lovey80 said:
ATM with all the printing since 2007 we haven't seen the hyperinflation gremin. Why? Because the banking system and the US government via bonds issued are soaking up all that extra cash. The US has been exporting all it's inflation and China has been happy to do it in order to continue their needs for massive growth targets.

They know its funny money and they'll have to dump it sooner or later. What if the Russia situation forces their hands before the inevitable Japanese situation unfolds slowly?
Why? Because most of that 'printing' wasn't printing, electronic money, and so far never spent, only an intrest rate based part on it.
The ECB already destroyed that 'funny money'.
http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/quickview.do?SERIES_KEY=123.ILM.M.U2.C.LT01.Z5.EUR
2008-10 921021 E
2009-10 1093090 E
2010-10 1096072 E
2011-10 1232234 E
2012-10 1736211 E <- peak
2013-10 1245577 E
2014-04 1162843 E
 
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