Russia invading Ukraine --- Silver/Gold Implications?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You guys keep arguing about Putin V Obama

I spoke to a couple of older Ukraine gents on Monday
And
They both agreed that Putin only want the Crimea back
The two older gents agreed & both said
That somebody on behalf of the Ukraine needs to say that they can have the Crimea back

AND

Both the Ruski's & the Ukraine army's
Don't have the bullets for a full on war ;)
 
I think Crimea will stay as a part of Ukraine ... Ruskies need one leg being inside Ukraine (maybe that's why guys from Ukraine wanted to get rid of this part of the country)
 
I liked this :lol:

comment from yahoo finance

S. Charles 9 hours ago 6 14
So, let me get this straight here;
1) Putin moves troops into Crimea, and the border of Ukraine.
2) Markets in the west tumble, as does the Russian Ruble.
3) Pressure is brought to bear on Crimea and Ukraine with
Russia's show of force. Russia shows the west just how quickly
it can move. Reenforces what Russia sees as her immediate
sphere of interest.
4) Russia "Backs Down" from further involvement, but retains
the right for further action.
5) Russian fleet shows its power world wide. Showing that it is
willing to use force, or the threat thereof, to keep its warm water port
theirs.
6) John Kerry announces that Russia blinked, and that the markets, not
arms, beat Russia back.
7) Russian forces are still there, Putin has retained the right go back in
at any time, Russia showed great resolve here, the United States, none.
8) Far more articals were written on the Oscar's than on the happenings
in Russia, Crimea, and Ukraine.
9) We Won???????
 
What is the current Russian population in Crimea? In 2001 it was about 58%. Does the current Ukraine leadership have any desire to fully let go of the Crimea and will the next elected Ukraine gov't be willing to let it totally go if the current gov't has no desire to?

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Ronnie 666 said:
However, as was said BHO is playing marbles with Putin who is playing chess.
As an ambivalent observer outside of either the USA or Russia, and therefore potentially neutral in opine, this is a reasonably accurate summation of the situation.
 
mmissinglink said:
You got the wrong person. I don't rely on that propagandist psuedo-news Fox network (unless I want to get the far Right Wing spin on things) and I turn to CNN only as part of the global spectrum of media I routinely get news from.

I bet my news sources are more diverse than yours and most people in this forum. Not a brag....just a fact I am convinced.

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Your posts would suggest otherwise.............
 
mmissinglink said:
What is the current Russian population in Crimea? In 2001 it was about 58%. Does the current Ukraine leadership have any desire to fully let go of the Crimea and will the next elected Ukraine gov't be willing to let it totally go if the current gov't has no desire to?

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Population of Crimea Is about 300,000 Tatar. 300,000 Ukrainians, and 1,500,000 Russians.

There are also several minorities, not sure on their totals.
 
chrissilver said:
Goldrush said:
Lot of naive posters here rambling on about how good Russia is and kicking America in the guts.

If you think Russia is such a fantastic country I suggest you pack up and move over there for awhile to give yourselves a reality check. Than you will realize how naive you were to shoot from the hip and make such wild statements from the comfort of your 1st world country which actually has a rule of law and allows you a lot more freedoms than you will find in Mother Russia.

Russia is basically a mafia run state now and there is very little protection from the law. If you make enemies of the wrong people you will either end up dead or broken and imprisoned with little chance of escape. Most Russians who have the means are looking for an escape into Western Europe or another country which actually allows human rights. If they thought Russia was so good why would they be now leaving??

I have nothing against the Russian people, they are like most people throughout the world, just wanting to live out their lives in peace and security. It's the leadership which is the problem(this is true for a lot countries).

As far a military forces go America has the most combat efficient force the world has ever seen bar none. Does this ensure victory every time, of course not. But if I'm a betting man I would back America and her Allies in any conventional warfare. For those of you who want to bring up Afghanistan and Iraq, well I will just say that they aren't conventional wars. Operation Desert Storm was a conventional battle which America and her allies made an absolute mockery of the Iraqi forces. So was the beginning of the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Saddam was ousted from power within 21 days of the the war beginning. It was only after the conventional warfare had finished that it turned into Guerrilla warfare.
Guerrilla war's are notoriously difficult, and almost always impossible for the invading force to succeed 100% in controlling the country unless the local population willingly roll over. Look at the German occupied area's during WW2, the Germans were constantly battling insurgents throughout the occupation. We can even go back and look at the Roman army which was regarded as the most advanced at the time, they never completely dominated all the areas they conquered and were continually battling insurgents within the occupied regions. Anyways war is really just an extension of economic warfare and you only have to look at the collapse of the USSR to see that in it's full glory.

Every country has it's issues and none are perfect, but I know where I would prefer to live and have voted with my feet(so to speak).

It's not the 1990's anymore, it's not a gangland with people shooting each other in Russia. Your more likely to get shot in America by some psychopath. To say there are no human rights in Russia is a false statement.

The US eavesdrops on all communications. They can go into anyone's home at any time and arrest anyone under false pretences of them being a terrorist and lock them away in an orange jumpsuit in the middle of nowhere forever without any evidence at all.

Have you ever been to Russia?

What about all of the people who are falsely enslaved in the US? The US imprisons more people per capita than any other country.

Russians have more freedom than Americans who believe they are free. "There are none more hopelessly inslaved by those who falsely believe they are free" and the reason the US hate Russia so much is because if it wasn't for Russia the US would have taken over the world a long time ago, all the US wants to do is control everything and everyone.

And what about all of the people who were killed by America in cold blood by capital punishment. And who of those were completely innocent.

I know which country I would prefer to live in.

Yes I have lived in Russia, I had a Russian girlfriend for a couple of years, she was a Banker of all things... I know not popular here :lol:

The Russians also listen in on almost all communications as well. They also can go into anyone's home at any time, arrest them and take them away never to be seen again.

I would much prefer to live in my home country or the USA than Russia, besides it's too bloody cold.

Every country has it's issues, some worse than others.
 
Goldrush said:
chrissilver said:
Goldrush said:
Lot of naive posters here rambling on about how good Russia is and kicking America in the guts.

If you think Russia is such a fantastic country I suggest you pack up and move over there for awhile to give yourselves a reality check. Than you will realize how naive you were to shoot from the hip and make such wild statements from the comfort of your 1st world country which actually has a rule of law and allows you a lot more freedoms than you will find in Mother Russia.

Russia is basically a mafia run state now and there is very little protection from the law. If you make enemies of the wrong people you will either end up dead or broken and imprisoned with little chance of escape. Most Russians who have the means are looking for an escape into Western Europe or another country which actually allows human rights. If they thought Russia was so good why would they be now leaving??

I have nothing against the Russian people, they are like most people throughout the world, just wanting to live out their lives in peace and security. It's the leadership which is the problem(this is true for a lot countries).

As far a military forces go America has the most combat efficient force the world has ever seen bar none. Does this ensure victory every time, of course not. But if I'm a betting man I would back America and her Allies in any conventional warfare. For those of you who want to bring up Afghanistan and Iraq, well I will just say that they aren't conventional wars. Operation Desert Storm was a conventional battle which America and her allies made an absolute mockery of the Iraqi forces. So was the beginning of the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Saddam was ousted from power within 21 days of the the war beginning. It was only after the conventional warfare had finished that it turned into Guerrilla warfare.
Guerrilla war's are notoriously difficult, and almost always impossible for the invading force to succeed 100% in controlling the country unless the local population willingly roll over. Look at the German occupied area's during WW2, the Germans were constantly battling insurgents throughout the occupation. We can even go back and look at the Roman army which was regarded as the most advanced at the time, they never completely dominated all the areas they conquered and were continually battling insurgents within the occupied regions. Anyways war is really just an extension of economic warfare and you only have to look at the collapse of the USSR to see that in it's full glory.

Every country has it's issues and none are perfect, but I know where I would prefer to live and have voted with my feet(so to speak).

It's not the 1990's anymore, it's not a gangland with people shooting each other in Russia. Your more likely to get shot in America by some psychopath. To say there are no human rights in Russia is a false statement.

The US eavesdrops on all communications. They can go into anyone's home at any time and arrest anyone under false pretences of them being a terrorist and lock them away in an orange jumpsuit in the middle of nowhere forever without any evidence at all.

Have you ever been to Russia?

What about all of the people who are falsely enslaved in the US? The US imprisons more people per capita than any other country.

Russians have more freedom than Americans who believe they are free. "There are none more hopelessly inslaved by those who falsely believe they are free" and the reason the US hate Russia so much is because if it wasn't for Russia the US would have taken over the world a long time ago, all the US wants to do is control everything and everyone.

And what about all of the people who were killed by America in cold blood by capital punishment. And who of those were completely innocent.

I know which country I would prefer to live in.

Yes I have lived in Russia, I had a Russian girlfriend for a couple of years, she was a Banker of all things... I know not popular here :lol:

The Russians also listen in on almost all communications as well. They also can go into anyone's home at any time, arrest them and take them away never to be seen again.

I would much prefer to live in my home country or the USA than Russia, besides it's too bloody cold.

Every country has it's issues, some worse than others.

+1
I'm with you ;)
About 20 years ago I had a job offer with the Bolshoi Ballet :lol: :lol: :lol:
And NO it wasn't as a dancer :P
I insulted the guy by telling him
They didn't have enough guns or $ to get me on a plain to Moscow :o
 
spannermonkey said:
+1
I'm with you ;)
About 20 years ago I had a job offer with the Bolshoi Ballet :lol: :lol: :lol:
And NO it wasn't as a dancer :P
I insulted the guy by telling him
They didn't have enough guns or $ to get me on a plain to Moscow :o
Are you sure? You have the shape for it. :D
 
boston said:
spannermonkey said:
+1
I'm with you ;)
About 20 years ago I had a job offer with the Bolshoi Ballet :lol: :lol: :lol:
And NO it wasn't as a dancer :P
I insulted the guy by telling him
They didn't have enough guns or $ to get me on a plain to Moscow :o
Are you sure? You have the shape for it. :D

ROFLMAO :lol:
Sorry...back on topic...
Not much in the "news" about the neo-nazi goverment installed by the US/EU/NATO alliance...
No wonder the Ruskies are pissed...
 
the russian foreign minister snubbed a meeting with his euro friends about Ukraine, and according to the interview putin gave (available on rt about an hour long) he says they still reserve the right to go in if ethic russians in east and south are persecuted and Yanukovich asks him to defend those people. So the reason its calm in east and south is because of that
 
boston said:
spannermonkey said:
+1
I'm with you ;)
About 20 years ago I had a job offer with the Bolshoi Ballet :lol: :lol: :lol:
And NO it wasn't as a dancer :P
I insulted the guy by telling him
They didn't have enough guns or $ to get me on a plain to Moscow :o
Are you sure? You have the shape for it. :D
Well funny thing is
The " spare dancer " that they had was my size & shape :lol:
And now back OT

I went to school with a mate
His dad was the first person to hop on a plane to try to start a business over there
He didn't make it out of the airport , he was kidnapped & held for ransom for over 12 months
He had $500k on him & they wanted another $1mil , it took him 12 months to convince them that was all the $ he had
Once they realised he had nothing left . he was kicked out the door & had to find his own way home :|
 
It looks like those that buy/sell Silver/Gold saw nothing silver/gold implied in this story.
After quantitative easings debt ceilings osama bin ladens dead japan earthquakes etc the suckers must have gotter wiser! :D
 
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