Russia invading Ukraine --- Silver/Gold Implications?

What happens now is doomstalk to make people willing to swap their fiat for gold/silver and receive less due to a price that was driven up by others earlier.
Then, in the highday of the doomstalk, those others will swap the pm back to the fiat.
Then, the doomstalk about Russia/Ukraine will stop.
Instead, it will be about gold/silver, while they're holding ready the fiat to buy back in lower.
In a nutshell! :D
 
The reason why Obama bitch-slapped Putin and NOT the other way around is because the US has no horse in this race. The US has NO mutual defense treaty with Ukraine. The US is being a bully in my view. For Obama to make threats upon Russia when the US has no horse in this race is a bitch-slap of Putin.

And yes, contrary to the claims by some forum members here, Russia would basically have to overthrow the current Ukraine gov't in order to take full control of Ukraine because the West wouldn't allow Russia to annex Cremia. Russia would basically need to start a war with Ukraine to try to annex Cremia and Russia is not going to risk that. The fact that they have some military vehicles in Cremia is not at all the same as annexing Cremia though military force. The US and the West will not tolerate Russia attempying to militarily rip Cremia away from Ukraine.

This does not at all mean that I feel the US has a right to impose economic sanctions upon Russia. The US has itself engaged in much greater acts of unjustified military attacks upon other nations with no economic sanctions upon it....there's few things worse than double standards.


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Markets seem to get spooked by all sorts of events and this is potentially a "big event".
Who knows if PMs will rise or fall but there will be many traders licking their lips at the thought of volatility which makes them huge bonuses whether markets, commodities etc go up or down. Heads I win and tails you loose !!
 
Yes...and it becomes a conflict within ones self..........having skin in the game means that a short end to this tragedy unfolding would minimise potential profits............but hoping for a quick end nonetheless for the poor people involved.
 
silvermed said:
Could we see this push a potential "war conflict" premium into the metals like silver?
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To actually answer the OP, slight increase in prices, which will then dip again or remain level - basically very little change and no, or very little, "war premium" in silver or gold.

My view of the situation: Russia will continue posturing around the borders and increasing presence in it's leased bases in Sebastopol and the Crimea; Ukraine will continue posturing around its "claim" to the Crimea; Crimea will continue with it's own call for independence from Ukraine, the foreshadowed referendum will be held and overwhelmingly support "independence", and the newly independent Crimea will align with Russia. There will be minor conflict (aka India/Pakistan style) for a while between the officially unofficial paramilitary groups supporting Kiev and Moscow but no major conflict between Ukraine and Russia. By the end of this year it will be settled. It will flare again in around 5 years when new politicians decide it's time to show what "strong" leaders they are.


mmissinglink said:
the most powerful imperialist nation on the planet
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Which I believe is now China ..... IMO the reign of the USA has ended, it just hasn't realised it yet.
 
I think the price will wobble a week sideways to then be dumped down a dollar, then again a week sideways to then be dumped down a second dollar, and then we're back were we came from, with some regretting their decisions based on this story, and some happy with those decisions, yay we sold at the top to those suckers! Rinse and repeat! :D
 
mmissinglink said:
The reason why Obama bitch-slapped Putin and NOT the other way around is because the US has no horse in this race. The US has NO mutual defense treaty with Ukraine. The US is being a bully in my view. For Obama to make threats upon Russia when the US has no horse in this race is a bitch-slap of Putin.

And yes, contrary to the claims by some forum members here, Russia would basically have to overthrow the current Ukraine gov't in order to take full control of Ukraine because the West wouldn't allow Russia to annex Cremia. Russia would basically need to start a war with Ukraine to try to annex Cremia and Russia is not going to risk that. The fact that they have some military vehicles in Cremia is not at all the same as annexing Cremia though military force. The US and the West will not tolerate Russia attempying to militarily rip Cremia away from Ukraine.

This does not at all mean that I feel the US has a right to impose economic sanctions upon Russia. The US has itself engaged in much greater acts of unjustified military attacks upon other nations with no economic sanctions upon it....there's few things worse than double standards.


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ML, I don't know why this is hard for you to understand, but Putin has Sevastopol and that is what he wants. You write that he is trying to take over the Ukraine and he doesn't have to and has not indicated a desire to do so. The US absolutely will allow Putin to take Crimea if he wants the whole area. If Putin wants the Crimea, a vote will be held and Crimea will either vote to be independent and allied with Russia or become part of Russia. But Putin does not need the Ukraine or the entire Crimea.

ML are you saying that the US lied to Ukraine?

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-17/news/mn-63844_1_nuclear-power

""We're prepared to offer security assurances to Ukraine once it has acceded to the treaty," Shelly said." What happened to those security assurances?

And the US does have a horse in the race, but its leg is broken. We urged the Ukrainians to revolt and are abondoning them as we did the Georgians. Putin bitchslapped Europe, Obama and the rest of Eastern Europe and took Sevastopol in one master stroke. The other Eastern European countries are learning that Nato/Europe will not help them and they will gravitate back towards Russia.

Remember what I said about China backing Russia? Didn't take long at all.

http://defence.pk/threads/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine.302831/

For $24 of beads, we got the Ukrainians to effectively disarm themselves and now they are coming to understand that they are defenseless against Russia. Europe and the US can huff and puff, but they cannot blow Putin's house down. Sevastopol is now in Russian hands and will effectively stay that way.

ML your view of this situation is an extreme minority. Putin is an excellent chess player and he has checkmated the US. Obama only cares about himself and his ego. He will not take any real risks for Ukraine and China has effectively checkmated any upcoming sanctions. If Europe wants to get tough, they will need those thoughts to keep them warm when their energy is cut off.

Where Putin takes all of Crimea or is satisfied with Sevastopol, I don't know or care. But he has won and I am done with this discussion.
 
Stock markets all around the world are down today whilst gold is up over US$1,350. There was a gold breakout from December and this situation has sustained and now appears to be accelerating the rise in the price of gold.

This could be the Black Swan moment leading to the SHTF. For a couple of years now we have been talking of the BRIC countries going up against the Dollar and the Euro, it will be interesting to see China's take on this.

Further, if nothing militarily comes of this and it is settled politically, could the final outcome be that the fundamentals we often espouse about PMs, kick in and lead to new maintainable highs?
 
Every ounce silver bought as storage of value is bound to be sold in a future, inverting the price change it cause before.
Now look at the stocks silver accumulated during the last 5 years.
Eek?
 
I think it's possible that the russians will just hold
their position until the elections, and the people
will vote in another pro russian government.
Then the russians will withdraw.
That's the implied offer, no?
 
Peter said:
I think it's possible that the russians will just hold
their position until the elections, and the people
will vote in another pro russian government.
Then the russians will withdraw.
That's the implied offer, no?
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:rolleyes:
What makes you think the Ukraine's will vote for a Russian backed government ?
If the elections are free and honest without Putin sticking his nose in it , I don't believe a Russian backed stooge will get in
It's only the Crimea that he wants to come back to Russia
IF the Ruski's would have gone into other parts of the Ukraine ,well that would be a totally different ball game ;)
 
thats the implied offer!
the other ballgame.

Vote for a pro russian government and we'll withdraw.
Don't and be invaded.
 
Posted by whistleblower, Susan Lindauer:
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Message from one of my Ukrainian friends: His words "Is The US using mercenaries to back up the junta?

According to the information from our Ukrainian friends, charter flights have been arriving to Zhuliany and Borispol airports from the last night. A lot of fit young men arrived, who are dressed as civilians, but each of the carrying several large "field" bags, which are similar to the ones, which the US military use to transport their equipment and clothing.

Due to some strange reason all of these people are the employees of Greystone Limited a private military company, which is a subsidiary of the well-known Xe Services LLC former Blackwater USA. The total of about 300 people have arrived.

These fit and well-trained boys can have a whole range of different tasks: from guarding the new people in power from Euromaidan centuries to mopping up the cities of South-East of Ukraine. The main question is how many of them are arriving to Kiev, and who is paying for all this performance, which is not a cheap one at all.

I think it is not the new Ukrainian government for sure.

http://stbcaptain.livejournal.com/81805.html

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well, I've got a message from a friend who was a protester in Kiev
for 1 month of protesting he got $2000 USD ... those who fired Molotov cocktail got $6000/month per his word - he though it was too risky and enjoyed his small paycheck of $4000 for two months. He thinks it was the easiest money in his life (average wage in Ukraine is about $300/month)

Guess, who payed the dollarzzz? )))
now this country blames Russia that they breaking the contract
 
Goldrush said:
Lot of naive posters here rambling on about how good Russia is and kicking America in the guts.

If you think Russia is such a fantastic country I suggest you pack up and move over there for awhile to give yourselves a reality check. Than you will realize how naive you were to shoot from the hip and make such wild statements from the comfort of your 1st world country which actually has a rule of law and allows you a lot more freedoms than you will find in Mother Russia.

Russia is basically a mafia run state now and there is very little protection from the law. If you make enemies of the wrong people you will either end up dead or broken and imprisoned with little chance of escape. Most Russians who have the means are looking for an escape into Western Europe or another country which actually allows human rights. If they thought Russia was so good why would they be now leaving??

I have nothing against the Russian people, they are like most people throughout the world, just wanting to live out their lives in peace and security. It's the leadership which is the problem(this is true for a lot countries).

As far a military forces go America has the most combat efficient force the world has ever seen bar none. Does this ensure victory every time, of course not. But if I'm a betting man I would back America and her Allies in any conventional warfare. For those of you who want to bring up Afghanistan and Iraq, well I will just say that they aren't conventional wars. Operation Desert Storm was a conventional battle which America and her allies made an absolute mockery of the Iraqi forces. So was the beginning of the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Saddam was ousted from power within 21 days of the the war beginning. It was only after the conventional warfare had finished that it turned into Guerrilla warfare.
Guerrilla war's are notoriously difficult, and almost always impossible for the invading force to succeed 100% in controlling the country unless the local population willingly roll over. Look at the German occupied area's during WW2, the Germans were constantly battling insurgents throughout the occupation. We can even go back and look at the Roman army which was regarded as the most advanced at the time, they never completely dominated all the areas they conquered and were continually battling insurgents within the occupied regions. Anyways war is really just an extension of economic warfare and you only have to look at the collapse of the USSR to see that in it's full glory.

Every country has it's issues and none are perfect, but I know where I would prefer to live and have voted with my feet(so to speak).
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It's not the 1990's anymore, it's not a gangland with people shooting each other in Russia. Your more likely to get shot in America by some psychopath. To say there are no human rights in Russia is a false statement.

The US eavesdrops on all communications. They can go into anyone's home at any time and arrest anyone under false pretences of them being a terrorist and lock them away in an orange jumpsuit in the middle of nowhere forever without any evidence at all.

Have you ever been to Russia?

What about all of the people who are falsely enslaved in the US? The US imprisons more people per capita than any other country.

Russians have more freedom than Americans who believe they are free. "There are none more hopelessly inslaved by those who falsely believe they are free" and the reason the US hate Russia so much is because if it wasn't for Russia the US would have taken over the world a long time ago, all the US wants to do is control everything and everyone.

And what about all of the people who were killed by America in cold blood by capital punishment. And who of those were completely innocent.

I know which country I would prefer to live in.
 
worldbubble said:
well, I've got a message from a friend who was a protester in Kiev
for 1 month of protesting he got $2000 USD ... those who fired Molotov cocktail got $6000/month per his word - he though it was too risky and enjoyed his small paycheck of $4000 for two months. He thinks it was the easiest money in his life (average wage in Ukraine is about $300/month)

Guess, who payed the dollarzzz? )))
now this country blames Russia that they breaking the contract
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No doubt there will be absolutely no news coverage about this.
 
As far a military forces go America has the most combat efficient force the world has ever seen bar none. >>>

US haven't seen a real enemy since Vietnam
 
XB said:
silvermed said:
Could we see this push a potential "war conflict" premium into the metals like silver?
Click to expand...
To actually answer the OP, slight increase in prices, which will then dip again or remain level - basically very little change and no, or very little, "war premium" in silver or gold.

My view of the situation: Russia will continue posturing around the borders and increasing presence in it's leased bases in Sebastopol and the Crimea; Ukraine will continue posturing around its "claim" to the Crimea; Crimea will continue with it's own call for independence from Ukraine, the foreshadowed referendum will be held and overwhelmingly support "independence", and the newly independent Crimea will align with Russia. There will be minor conflict (aka India/Pakistan style) for a while between the officially unofficial paramilitary groups supporting Kiev and Moscow but no major conflict between Ukraine and Russia. By the end of this year it will be settled. It will flare again in around 5 years when new politicians decide it's time to show what "strong" leaders they are.


mmissinglink said:
the most powerful imperialist nation on the planet
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Which I believe is now China ..... IMO the reign of the USA has ended, it just hasn't realised it yet.
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Excellent post XB. That is exactly how i think it will pan out.

Putin got into Crimea quick. That was a brilliant move. There is no way the Russian troops are going anywhere now.

This situation is identical to Trandinistria in Moldova, Abkhazia and Osettia - Russian army in, acting a "peacekeepers". They are still there years later and will remain put.

Similar thing happened in Northern Cyprus and Nagorno Karabakh (Azerbaijan). Once you control a territory nothing short of a full blown war can get you out.
 
spannermonkey said:
Peter said:
I think it's possible that the russians will just hold
their position until the elections, and the people
will vote in another pro russian government.
Then the russians will withdraw.
That's the implied offer, no?
Click to expand...
:rolleyes:
What makes you think the Ukraine's will vote for a Russian backed government ?
If the elections are free and honest without Putin sticking his nose in it , I don't believe a Russian backed stooge will get in
It's only the Crimea that he wants to come back to Russia
IF the Ruski's would have gone into other parts of the Ukraine ,well that would be a totally different ball game ;)
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Where does the US backed stooge fit into all this? I somehow think the Russians have more ethically justified reasons for concern in the Ukraine than 10 000 klm distant US of A (or their proxies in western Europe). :rolleyes:
 
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