Real time payments overhaul coming in 2017 for Aus banks

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Real time payments overhaul coming in 2017

The person being paid will no longer have to wait up to three days day for money to arrive in their account.

This $1 billion piece of infrastructure, with the uncatchy name of the new payments platform, goes live in the second half of the year.

While it has received little public attention so far, the system's launch is a sign of Australia's system of digital money and payments finally catching up with, and surpassing that of many other countries.

Australians have embraced electronic payments, but the infrastructure that sits behind some of these systems lags that of other countries.

The RBA, which pushed the banks to develop and fund the NPP, said in 2012 that Australia's system of payments between bank accounts looked "a bit dated," lagging less developed nations such as Mexico.

Once the new system is switched on, Australia will leapfrog other nations and join only Sweden and Mexico in having "real time" payments.

"There'll be no concept of a weekend or a public holiday, it'll work all the time."

"Whether it's a $2.50 cup of coffee, or a $2.5 million property settlement, the money will move between banks ESA [exchange settlement accounts] accounts in real time," he says.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/bank...-overhaul-coming-in-2017-20161206-gt50sv.html
 
About time as the current system is archaic.

To highlight this point banks didn't process any transactions on Australia day so scheduled payments were delayed for at least a day.

Due to Australia Day being on Thursday, this meant that some institutions didn't receive funds until Tuesday.
 
willrocks said:
Trying to compete with crypto currencies?

Oh common on, I like crypto but it is so far behind eftpos it's not funny. Maybe in the future but for now it is only accepted by .0001 of the businesses you can't compare it. Chances are more places in Australia would accept Mexicans peso than bitcoins.
 
I think he means from a technical perspective, not a market adoption perspective.
 
JulieW said:
Lining up the ducks to outlaw cash.

Real time!
Exactly! This is the real reason, and happening everywhere in EU as well this year.
 
BuggedOut said:
I think he means from a technical perspective, not a market adoption perspective.

Point taken :) about immediate transfer but that in itself carries a risk most people wont like, ie if your hacked and someone takes all your money or you lose your passwrod, the banks are likely fix it or refund your money, Cryto by design you are toast.
 
About time, though most of my online banking hits the recipient's account on the same day anyway, would be nice to be instantaneous.

Mind you a lot of my online transactions are done by paypal so I assume the banks would be trying to get more competitive with this company.
 
They're demoting BSB numbers as part of this, so we'll be able to use phone numbers or email addresses as the identifier.

Woo! BSBs suck.
 
Bullion Baron said:
Big A.D. said:
They're demoting BSB numbers as part of this, so we'll be able to use phone numbers or email addresses as the identifier.
Woo! BSBs suck.
How would that work in the case someone had the same account number at two different institutions... highly, highly unlikely I guess, but would banks be registering the customers identifier and account number in some sort of central database (accessible to all institutions) in order to avoid any duplication?

From what I understand from some of the briefings I've been given, there's the core New Payments Platform and then there's "Overlay Services" which are basically plugins to provided additional functionality. If you're using a facility that only runs the core platform, you'll still need the account and BSB numbers, but if you're using a facility that has Overlay Services attached, you'll be able to use things like email addresses and phone numbers.

The Overlay Service would be where an email address or phone number would be translated into account and BSB numbers.

The most annoying thing about BSBs is when someone includes the '-' when sending me account details and I have to remove it when copying and pasting it into my online banking form. To best honest I think BSB is easier than phone number or email address unless you know the person well enough to recall their details by memory.

I have to add the dash when making a payment. My bank's interface is set up so the BSB is split into two fields, as in [xxx]-[xxx]

It's completely useless now because the first three numbers identifies the institution and the send three numbers identifies the branch where the account is based. Accounts aren't based at particular branches any more, so the last three numbers (and the dash) are redundant.
 
Big A.D. said:
It's completely useless now because the first three numbers identifies the institution and the send three numbers identifies the branch where the account is based.

Used to be, back in the day (and I'm not sure if it's changed since I was involved), as you say the last three digits are the branch number. First two are the institution number, and third digit is the state number (and that used to be based mostly on the significant digit of the old STD codes - i.e. 3 for Vic, 2 for NSW etc.).
 
Midnight Man said:
Big A.D. said:
It's completely useless now because the first three numbers identifies the institution and the send three numbers identifies the branch where the account is based.

Used to be, back in the day (and I'm not sure if it's changed since I was involved), as you say the last three digits are the branch number. First two are the institution number, and third digit is the state number (and that used to be based mostly on the significant digit of the old STD codes - i.e. 3 for Vic, 2 for NSW etc.).

Yes, it stands for Bank-State-Branch.

It was originally set up to process cheques, where the physical cheque had to be sent to the drawer's physical bank branch where their account was established.
 
It is about time the whole planet picked up on this.
I make regular moves of MY money from the UK to NZ with exactly the same accounts each time.
As it works now i transfer the money from the UK and it disappears from my account immediately yet is lost in the ether for upto 36 hours before it shows in my NZ account and then when it shows in my NZ account i am left to wait for at least 48 hours as some stupid international rule says the country of origin my have made a mistake and needs this time in case a correction is necessary.
So around 4 days from original transfer until i can actually use MY MONEY>
 
I've always thought that the reality of three days to cash a cheque would be that the banks have your money to invest for three days in their pool of $$$$$$$$???

It doesn't take three days to leave your account ????
 
windmill2 said:
I've always thought that the reality of three days to cash a cheque would be that the banks have your money to invest for three days in their pool of $$$$$$$$???

It doesn't take three days to leave your account ????


In reality that is not correct, as it is only looking at half the transaction.

Because on average the amount of money a bank earns from interest that they "delayed" is about the amount of money that they "hold" before sending it to the other institution.
 
willrocks said:
Ipv6Ready said:
Maybe in the future but for now it is only accepted by .0001 of the businesses you can't compare it. Chances are more places in Australia would accept Mexicans peso than bitcoins.

I'm sure the same was said about the first time any new currency was presented as payment. The first gold coin, the first paper note, the first credit card ... all of them started out with zero adoption, and were probably laughed at.

Don't get me wrong, the amount of BTC I hold, I wish it became $20000. Being in IT all my life BTC was a fun little thing to get involved for fun in competition with other nerds and when we did it instead of boinc for a while. The days when you could mine BTC with pentium 4 lol.

What I am trying to say is, unlike all the other currency, there was an institution that advocated it be it the first gold coin, the first paper note, the first credit card all had powerful vested interest and more importantly had authority ie monarch or people or institutions with deep pockets.
 
Bit Baron said:
About time as the current system is archaic.

This.

As a business I have to deal with shuffling payments all around the place. It's insane that it doesn't work instantly, and hasn't even worked instantly with two accounts at the same bank. Crazy.
 
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