Quality of US 5 OZ ATB coins

[syracuse]

Just starting to collect the US 5oz ATB series.

The general quality of 5oz America the beautiful ATB coins are much worse than those 5 oz Australia Lunar coins.

Comparing to the 5oz ATB, every 5oz Australian Lunar coins look like proof! Considering buying more 5oz lunar coins from now.

 

[Sully]

Just starting to collect the US 5oz ATB series.

The general quality of 5oz America the beautiful ATB coins are much worse than those 5 oz Australia Lunar coins.

Comparing to the 5oz ATB, every 5oz Australian Lunar coins look like proof! Considering buying more 5oz lunar coins from now.

Worse in what way? Dents, scratches?
I'm assuming you're talking about the standard bullion versions?

Because i've never had anything but the best quality with the collector (P) ones.

 

[syracuse]

Talking about bullion version, which has the same premium as 5 oz Australian Lunar coins, but much worse quality.

Just starting to collect the US 5oz ATB series.

The general quality of 5oz America the beautiful ATB coins are much worse than those 5 oz Australia Lunar coins.

Comparing to the 5oz ATB, every 5oz Australian Lunar coins look like proof! Considering buying more 5oz lunar coins from now.

Worse in what way? Dents, scratches?
I'm assuming you're talking about the standard bullion versions?

Because i've never had anything but the best quality with the collector (P) ones.

 

[Sully]

Talking about bullion version, which has the same premium as 5 oz Australian Lunar coins, but much worse quality.

Just starting to collect the US 5oz ATB series.

The general quality of 5oz America the beautiful ATB coins are much worse than those 5 oz Australia Lunar coins.

Comparing to the 5oz ATB, every 5oz Australian Lunar coins look like proof! Considering buying more 5oz lunar coins from now.

Worse in what way? Dents, scratches?
I'm assuming you're talking about the standard bullion versions?

Because i've never had anything but the best quality with the collector (P) ones.

Ah, ok. Yes, they aren't too careful with them sometimes. They come in tubes of 5 {edit: 10} i think, and dealers sometimes capsule them later.
It is the luck of the draw, really.
I decided early on i wanted a perfect one every time so went for the collector versions with the extra premium.

Certainly, for premium comparisons on standard bullion, there's just no beating the fantastic quality of the Perth bullion range.

 

[S. Ohno]

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[mmissinglink]

I have just 4 or 5 bullion ATB 5 oz coins but I am hoping to put together a complete set of the frosted (vapor blast) "P" collector version. The quality of the collector version is definitely superior to the bullion version and when purchased on subscription, the low price, higher quality, and strict limit on mintage quantity makes the collector "P" version much more appealing to me.


At the same time, it's hard for me to argue against the high quality of the Perth Mint bullion coins...the PM Lunar series has big support in part I think because of the quality of the bullion coins. The proof Lunars are even more amazing....the finish is so shiny and smooth on the proofs that they look like metal that is not from this earth.






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[Justfishin]

They are also priced as bullion--helluva lot cheaper than the lunars

 

[syracuse]

Not for 5oz coins.

5 OZ 2014 ATB bullion coins and 5 OZ lunar goat / horse coins are both at about $120.

They are also priced as bullion--helluva lot cheaper than the lunars

 

[Silversaving]

I really liked the ATB series but stopped collecting due to very poor quality

 

[Justfishin]

Not for 5oz coins.

5 OZ 2014 ATB bullion coins and 5 OZ lunar goat / horse coins are both at about $120.

They are also priced as bullion--helluva lot cheaper than the lunars

Looks like you're right--thought there was more of a spread---noting this--would surely buy lunars before ATBs

 

[syracuse]

Got a SP69 ATB from ebay. It comes with a dent, even bigger than the one I had.
Seems the US coins have much lower quality than Australian, Canadian and Chinese coins.

Huge disappointment on US mint.

Royal mint does not have top notch quality either, but still better than US mint.

 

[db23]

Got a SP69 ATB from ebay. It comes with a dent, even bigger than the one I had.
Seems the US coins have much lower quality than Australian, Canadian and Chinese coins.

Huge disappointment on US mint.

Royal mint does not have top notch quality either, but still better than US mint.

All of the mints have higher quality and lower quality coins.

The one thing this picture does prove is that the coin grading business is riddled with fraud and is just one big scam.

Someone supposedly paid a grader for their undivided attention to grade that coin, pretty hard to do when you're supposedly grading tens of thousands of coins.

When the masses finally open their eyes to this scam, OGP coins will be more valuable than graded garbage. That's my theory anyway.

 

[syracuse]

Returned the two flaw coins to US mint. Do not want exchanges.
Have to contact the ebay seller to return this SP69.

I hate to return / exchange.

Cross fingers on the two subscription coins I will receive soon, but I do not have any confidence on them now.

Got a SP69 ATB from ebay. It comes with a dent, even bigger than the one I had.
Seems the US coins have much lower quality than Australian, Canadian and Chinese coins.

Huge disappointment on US mint.

Royal mint does not have top notch quality either, but still better than US mint.

All of the mints have higher quality and lower quality coins.

The one thing this picture does prove is that the coin grading business is riddled with fraud and is just one big scam.

Someone supposedly paid a grader for their undivided attention to grade that coin, pretty hard to do when you're supposedly grading tens of thousands of coins.

When the masses finally open their eyes to this scam, OGP coins will be more valuable than graded garbage. That's my theory anyway.

 

[mmissinglink]

Got a SP69 ATB from ebay. It comes with a dent, even bigger than the one I had.
Seems the US coins have much lower quality than Australian, Canadian and Chinese coins.

Huge disappointment on US mint.

Royal mint does not have top notch quality either, but still better than US mint.

All of the mints have higher quality and lower quality coins.

The one thing this picture does prove is that the coin grading business is riddled with fraud and is just one big scam.

Someone supposedly paid a grader for their undivided attention to grade that coin, pretty hard to do when you're supposedly grading tens of thousands of coins.

When the masses finally open their eyes to this scam, OGP coins will be more valuable than graded garbage. That's my theory anyway.

Professional, reputable authentication and grading is NOT a scam and is very much a needed service. It is here to stay for as long as coins will be sold and minted and people care about their authenticity and condition.

I welcome coin grading with great appreciation.

As for the grade of 69, the American Numismatics Association's definition goes something like this:

"A coin graded 69 has very attractive sharp strike and full original luster for the date and mint, with no more than two small non-detracting contact marks or flaws. No hairlines or scuff marks can be seen. Has exceptional eye appeal."

So a 69 graded coin can actually have imperfections, albeit, very few and very small.

Keep in mind that not all TP graders have the same exact standard. It's well known to most buyers that NNC as just one example, has lower standards than what are considered first tier TPG like NGC, ANACS, and PCGS.



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[db23]

Professional, reputable authentication and grading is NOT a scam and is very much a needed service. It is here to stay for as long as coins will be sold and minted and people care about their authenticity and condition.

Who exactly has determined that NGC or PCGS are reputable? We should just take their word for it when the churn out crap like the pic above?

Grading modern bullion is a scam. There is no need for it other than for companies to profit off it.
The too close relationship that NGC has with the company run by a former employee wreaks of fraud.
Accepting payment for a service that clearly wasn't provided is fraud.

With absolutely no oversight, these companies can basically do whatever they want and we just have to trust that they know best.