Peter Costello serves up the truth.

errol43

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Peter Costello on lateline last night said that the debt burden on the Australian government was still very low by world standard.

Now cast your mind back to the last election, the gonski and the NDIS were big spending items which were backed by both the red and the blue teams.

Now we are borrowing $100 million a day to cover federal government expenditure.. New Security force AND THE AIR WAR IN Iraq, How much is this costing?

Will someone please inform me of how we are going to win in Iraq when we give 2500 humvees to the enemy thanks to the well trained Iraqi army?

Regards Errol 43
 
errol43 said:
Peter Costello on lateline last night said that the debt burden on the Australian government was still very low by world standard.

Now cast your mind back to the last election, the gonski and the NDIS were big spending items which were backed by both the red and the blue teams.

Now we are borrowing $100 million a day to cover federal government expenditure.. New Security force AND THE AIR WAR IN Iraq, How much is this costing?

Will someone please inform me of how we are going to win in Iraq when we give 2500 humvees to the enemy thanks to the well trained Iraqi army?

Regards Errol 43

2500 humvees to the enemy? Source? lol
 
errol43 said:
Peter Costello on lateline last night said that the debt burden on the Australian government was still very low by world standard.

I didn't see the episode you are referring to but it is immaterial how much debt we have in comparison to other countries. Any debt that any government has is destructive.
 
errol43 said:
Will someone please inform me of how we are going to win in Iraq when we give 2500 humvees to the enemy thanks to the well trained Iraqi army?
We'll win the war by guaranteeing more submarine jobs in SA!
 
mmm....shiney! said:
errol43 said:
Peter Costello on lateline last night said that the debt burden on the Australian government was still very low by world standard.

I didn't see the episode you are referring to but it is immaterial how much debt we have in comparison to other countries. Any debt that any government has is destructive.
In addition, unlike private debt, Govt debt can obligate individuals who had no say or benefit from the money to be forced to repay it. Indebting the unborn is morally bankrupt.

Ian Daily said:
... Sovereign debt isn't like a credit card, family budget, or a mortgage, no matter how many folksy analogies politicians make. No, government debt is something altogether more sinister. When a state borrows money, repayment is on the heads of its citizenry, without expiration. At one point in the Hellenic drama Germany's war reparations were at issue. An infinitesimally small minority of the population could recall the war, and an even smaller subset if any was even remotely accountable. But the point is illustrated clearly: public debt is interminable.

This trait alone is toothless without its necessary complement: enforcement. Since government revenues are generated through taxes, and government debts are future revenues spent now, then debts are simply future taxes. While this is well-covered ground, most people seem to forget that taxes are one of the only debts for which nonpayment results in prison time.

To make sovereign debt even worse, the citizenry doesn't have the ordinary contractual protections of say, reviewing the terms, choosing how much to borrow, deciding on what to spend the money, or even agreeing to repayment schedules. Apparently, all of these choices are made at the "ballet-box." But I'd wager that if you asked 100 people how to spend just $100, you'd get at least ninety-nine different answers. The problem gets worse, not better, when you have 300 million people and $1 trillion in debt on the table. In the end, there's an incentive to pass the buck; the next generation can figure it out, we're getting ours. But who will ultimately be forced to pay the bill? That demographic is unfortunate indeed, since they will be forced to pay exorbitant taxes without trappings of social welfare, just to make the interest payments on the largesse.

For them, "figuring it out" means a life spent working to service another's debts, backed by the callous indifference of law. There's a word for that, isn't there? Oh, yeah: slavery.
 
"Peter Costello serves up the truth"
Unfortunately... no one is hungry for the truth :(
 
It is as if they left the Humvees and equipment there on purpose to supply ISIS. You would think a retreating Army would take the vehicles and equipment with them. Or at the very least destroy them so that the enemy can not use them. The whole situation is inexplicable. I wonder if they left them with the keys in the ignition? And full of fuel ready to be driven off???
 
-j-p-shmorgan said:
errol43 said:
Peter Costello on lateline last night said that the debt burden on the Australian government was still very low by world standard.

Now cast your mind back to the last election, the gonski and the NDIS were big spending items which were backed by both the red and the blue teams.

Now we are borrowing $100 million a day to cover federal government expenditure.. New Security force AND THE AIR WAR IN Iraq, How much is this costing?

Will someone please inform me of how we are going to win in Iraq when we give 2500 humvees to the enemy thanks to the well trained Iraqi army?

Regards Errol 43

2500 humvees to the enemy? Source? lol

Just google up hunvees Iraq..You will get several sources including the Iraqi PM. :)
 
silver kook said:
It is as if they left the Humvees and equipment there on purpose to supply ISIS. You would think a retreating Army would take the vehicles and equipment with them. Or at the very least destroy them so that the enemy can not use them. The whole situation is inexplicable. I wonder if they left them with the keys in the ignition? And full of fuel ready to be driven off???
They get most of their weapons when the Iraqi army runs away.
Why do they run?
Why fight for the American when they destroyed their country, or for a corrupt government, when they only got a job in the army to feed their kids , because there are no other jobs.
Western law doesn't work there, it takes too long and the rich bribe their way out.
Why risk their lives.
The government is corrupt.
 
willrocks said:
Australian government debt is low.

But private debt is highest in world.

Australian households are the most indebted in the world, according to research by Barclays, which warns that the country would be vulnerable in the event of another global financial shock.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...awash-with-debt-barclays-20150316-1lzyz4.html

Watch as they transfer as much as they can to the public balance sheet in the next few years when it becomes obvious most of it can't be paid.

We are just like most of the rest of the world except for a lag.
 
Results not typical said:
So we are borrowing foreign money to pay foreign aid. Thanks Wayne, nice work.

I'll tell you why we are borrowing foreign money.. To keep the housing market moving. :)

Regards Errol 43
 
For anyone interested in investigating the truth:

According to economists at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Peter Costello was Australia's most profligate treasurer of the past 50 years. According to global doyens of fiscal responsibility, the man described by John Howard as Australia's greatest treasurer spent like a drunken sailor when the economy was booming. In doing so he poured fuel on the mining boom's fire, pushed up interest rates for those with mortgages and helped cause the current budget deficits that Joe Hockey was so worried about last year.

But wait, I hear you say, Peter Costello delivered budget surpluses. He must have been a good treasurer.

Econospeak is used to conceal, not reveal.

Anyone who has ever bought a house or a new car has run a "budget deficit". If you earn $100,000 per year and buy a $700,000 house, you will rack up a big deficit that year and, inevitably, a big debt. Is that reckless? Or irresponsible? Most people, and most financial planners, don't think so. Neither do most companies.

BHP has been in debt for most of its 130-year history and has no plan to change that. Indeed, during the mining boom, when coal and iron ore prices were at all-time highs, BHP was running budget deficits, and its total level of debt rose from US$16 billion in 2004 to US$66 billion in 201314.

Most treasurers choose their words carefully. Most people interpret deficit as a problem, and a surplus as a good thing, but it's not necessarily the case; a surplus of morphine, for example, could kill you. The following two statements convey exactly the same economic information but they have entirely different political meanings:

1. The budget deficit has grown rapidly in the past three years even as the economy has grown strongly.

2. Over the past three years the government has invested heavily in the new infrastructure that rapid economic growth requires.

Just as there is nothing "irresponsible" or "unsustainable" about an individual borrowing to buy a house or a company borrowing to invest in a profitable new project, there is nothing irresponsible about a government borrowing to invest in the infrastructure that a rapidly growing population and economy need.

Tony Shepherd knows that better than most. During his time as chairman of Transfield its debt ballooned from $282 million to $1606 million.

While Joe Hockey was claiming last year that debt was bad, he was simultaneously arguing that students should responsibly incur bigger HECS debts to help the government pay down its irresponsible debts. His message wasn't just mixed, it was pured.

Peter Costello played a simple trick on the Australian people during the Howard years. While economists see budget deficits and budget surpluses as tools to help manage the economy, "Profligate Pete" redefined the budget outcome as the ultimate objective of economic management. Put simply, he told us that surpluses were good and deficits were bad. So if he delivered a surplus, he must have done a good job. Right? Wrong.

Costello squandered a mining boom and convinced millions that he'd saved the country. And Hockey and Abbott have been trading on the myth of Coalition economic management ever since.

While budgets are an annual affair, economies respond to much longer cycles than the time it takes the Earth to revolve around the Sun. All sorts of unexpected shocks some good, some bad affect our economy. And as the unexpected boom in China's demand for resources clearly shows, there are often a lot of kilometres, and many years, between cause and effect.

The ups and downs of the Australian economy are known as the business cycle. While academic economists argue about definitions and measurement, the economy slows down around every seven or eight years. By the middle of the noughties Australia was about "due" for a recession. But we got lucky. Instead of a slowdown we got the biggest resources boom we had seen in a century. The prices for our biggest exports rose rapidly, and so did corporate profits and corporate tax receipts. The impacts were obviously good for the budget's bottom line.

Rather than stockpile the windfall, Costello and Howard introduced permanent tax cuts in response to a temporary increase in revenue. Costello cut by half the tax payable on income from capital gains. He trebled the threshold for the top tax bracket. He made income from superannuation entirely tax-free, even for those who earnt millions per year. He also handed out tens of billions of dollars worth of benefits to middle- and high-income earners, while arguing that the government couldn't afford to increase unemployment benefits, disability benefits or the age pension.

The windfall revenue was so great that, despite his largesse, the budget was still in surplus. With repetition, and with vocal support from a cheer squad of "business leaders", he convinced people that simply delivering a surplus proved that he was doing a great job.

The idea that a budget surplus is proof of good policy has no basis in economics.

Imagine an ice-cream shop in a small beach resort. In the summer months it does a roaring trade; in the winter months it's a nice quiet place for the staff to read. Now imagine that you are the owner of the shop. In the middle of a long and very hot summer you see an ad for the car of your dreams. With ice-cream sales at record highs, you would still be in surplus even after the enormous monthly repayments. Would you buy the car on that basis?

According to the pinko lefties at the IMF, Peter Costello hosed the mining boom up against a wall. Indeed, according to the Reserve Bank of Australia, Costello's tax cuts and middle-class welfare pumped so much money back into the booming economy of the late 2000s that he forced it to increase interest rates to "take the heat" out of the economy. (That's another nasty economic phrase that not enough people understand. When the RBA says it is increasing interest rates to "take the heat" out of the economy, what it really means is "increase everybody's mortgage repayments to lower their disposable income in the hope that they spend less money in the shops and cause a bit of unemployment".)

Tens of billions of dollars worth of tax cuts and new benefits were pumped back into an economy that was already booming. Virtually all economists agree that such a fiscal stimulus when the economy is already booming is the exact opposite of responsible economic management. Theory and history say such stimulus would push up inflation and interest rates. Which is exactly what happened.

Costello must have known his tax cuts and middle-class spending splurge was economically irresponsible. Treasury told him. The RBA told him. And the IMF told him. He wasn't doing economic policy; he was doing politics. He owned the ice-cream shop during a hot summer and gave away free ice-cream to all of his friends. The books looked OK during his tenure, but all the freebies meant that it would be a long and broke winter for the next owner.

Costello didn't want to manage the Australian economy; he wanted to permanently reshape Australian society to shrink the public sector and let the market provide more of our health, education and welfare services. All the things that Abbott and Shepherd have said we had to do. But to achieve his vision, he would have to cause budget deficits in the future, deficits big enough to scare the public into accepting big cuts to the services and safety nets that Australians are quite proud of. While it was easy for Costello to sell tax cuts in the boom, the big cuts in spending in the future would be a tougher sell. The task fell to Joe Hockey, and he failed at the first hurdle.


http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/july/1435672800/richard-denniss/clowns-and-treasurers


and "truth" sure didn't come from "who's on third" Costello.
 
Results not typical said:
So we are borrowing foreign money to pay foreign aid. Thanks Wayne, nice work.

because Australia is in mining boom, remember... even now we're still in mining boom... forget about those small miners who lost everything or prices on resources have plummetted.. even Joe Hockey knew this.. he budgeted OZ based on mining boom...

BOOM!
 
SilverPete said:
bordsilver said:
The truth sure as hell isn't in that nonsense article either :rolleyes:
What's inaccurate about the article?

You'd be quoting the article in its entirety again if you were asked to point out its inaccuracies. :lol:
 
LMAO, I just clicked on the link...................and the author is...................Richard Denniss. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Say no more. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Three toddlers playing in a sand pit have a better grasp of economics than does the good Professor.
 
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